Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 08:10PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Don't see anything wrong with Leo's performance on Six-One News this evening.

Made clear that he feels that Fitzgerald has done nothing wrong and it's FF and SF that are contriving to escalate the issue and that he wont just sack her on what he believes is zero grounds.

Also, does not seem to fear an election. Maybe he thinks the issue looks worse on the opposition than the government.

Was less impressed by Sharon ni Bheolain's aggressive and biased questioning.

'zero grounds' from a man who had to correct the record in the Dail because of her, at the very least, incompetence.

Spinning like a champion trout fisherman tbh

Galwayguy35 · 24-11-2017 08:11PM

I don't think the Government are doing a bad job but at the same time I think a Taoiseach should have a mandate to lead the country and Leo only the other day mentioned that there would be no election next year.

He wasn't elected to lead the country so I'd like to see an election happen.

Also it will mean it's put up or shut up time for hard left voters on FB always shouting "for change".

Beechwoodspark · 24-11-2017 08:15PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't think the Government are doing a bad job but at the same time I think a Taoiseach should have a mandate to lead the country and Leo only the other day mentioned that there would be no election next year.

He wasn't elected to lead the country so I'd like to see an election happen.

Also it will mean it's put up or shut up time for hard left voters on FB always shouting "for change".

Agree. If he gets the mandate fair enough but until then there will always be a certain reservation over him being Taoiseach

goat2 · 24-11-2017 08:17PM

Do we really need another election, I hope not, waste of time and money, and anyway what have we to pick from, same thing every time

Water John · 24-11-2017 08:18PM

Maybe Leo's right. No election next year. That's because it will have already happened in 2017

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2017 08:26PM

It doesn't add up alright... the simple solution is for Fitzgerald to resign (for the good of the party/country etc - in that order too!), but instead FG keep escalating the situation.

Either there's more to come and they're busy building up a storm to keep the media busy for a few days, or FG actually want an election as they think they'll be returned to power (maybe even without FF) on the narrative that they were "forced into it by SF/FF"

Water John · 24-11-2017 08:33PM

Remember FG are the Law and Order Party and their TD's would look poorly on any one attacking those two pillars.
It's in their DNA.

24-11-2017 08:35PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It doesn't add up alright... the simple solution is for Fitzgerald to resign (for the good of the party/country etc - in that order too!), but instead FG keep escalating the situation.

We are going into an election about March/April next year Id say. This is just showboating and dickwaving in preperation for that, as long as they dont completely accidentally go into a christmas week election.

FF/SF just want to badly damage the government, not kill it completely :pac:

I will give a red earful to the first canvasser of any party that comes to my door because we have an election and no government while the brexit talks go on in Europe :mad:

24-11-2017 08:39PM

The email hasn't enough in it to have caused any of this imo. The fantasy spun about it being a smoking gun pointing to Fitzgerald being involved in a smear campaign is codswallop, it's barely noteworthy.

For the purposes of not being found despite a search, eh you'd need to know just how bad the e-filing systems can be but admittedly it ought to have come up given the specific nature of the case.

I think if it had been produced last week this wouldn't have raised an eyebrow but everyone has presumed in its absence that it was dynamite

Now FF can't step back, FG can't step back and it looks like an election for no bloody reason at all.

The whole thing is kind of nuts because there would seem to be nothing to gain for anyone involved.

jimmycrackcorm · 24-11-2017 08:39PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I don't think the Government are doing a bad job but at the same time I think a Taoiseach should have a mandate to lead the country and Leo only the other day mentioned that there would be no election next year.

He wasn't elected to lead the country so I'd like to see an election happen.

Also it will mean it's put up or shut up time for hard left voters on FB always shouting "for change".

The first Dail is the only time the country has "elected a Taoiseach". Every other Taoiseach has gotten the position mid-term. Also, it's the TD's job to elect that person to lead the country, there is no specific election for the people to do this other than being aware who is leading the party that might be in charge.

The FB rabble won't shut up anytime soon regardless. They're too busy mouthing off to even spend some time thinking thoughtfully about what they're writing.

Odhinn · 24-11-2017 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The email hasn't enough in it to have caused any of this imo. The fantasy spun about it being a smoking gun pointing to Fitzgerald being involved in a smear campaign is codswallop, it's barely noteworthy.

..........

She knew - at the very least - that one was taking place, yet during and after the tribunal, she continued to support O'Sullivan. That alone is reason for her to go.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 08:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The email hasn't enough in it to have caused any of this imo. The fantasy spun about it being a smoking gun pointing to Fitzgerald being involved in a smear campaign is codswallop, it's barely noteworthy.

For the purposes of not being found despite a search, eh you'd need to know just how bad the e-filing systems can be but admittedly it ought to have come up given the specific nature of the case.

I think if it had been produced last week this wouldn't have raised an eyebrow but everyone has presumed in its absence that it was dynamite

Now FF can't step back, FG can't step back and it looks like an election for no bloody reason at all.

The whole thing is kind of nuts because there would seem to be nothing to gain for anyone involved.

Nobody has said that as far as I know.

myshirt · 24-11-2017 08:57PM

A lot of traditional Fianna Fail voters willing to vote Fine Gael if we go to the polls over this.

24-11-2017 09:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody has said that as far as I know.

I think that's been said a few times in this very thread but tbh posting from a phone would make it a nightmare to go looking for

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 09:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that's been said a few times in this very thread but tbh posting from a phone would make it a nightmare to go looking for

There has been some outlandish stuff posted in this thread.

I mean't that it is not the reason for a vote of confidence.

24-11-2017 09:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There has been some outlandish stuff posted in this thread.

I mean't that it is not the reason for a vote of confidence.

Fair!

Water John · 24-11-2017 09:13PM

Classic, answering the question that wasn't asked. This is what Frances has been doing all the week. Nobody said she was involved, TMK.

nice_guy80 · 24-11-2017 09:17PM

if she had any honour she'd resign

Vela · 24-11-2017 09:18PM

Last I heard, he was 6"4".

So probably not.

Fred Swanson · 24-11-2017 09:18PM

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nice_guy80 · 24-11-2017 09:29PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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FG don't do honour.[/quote]
most politicians don't

_Kaiser_ · 24-11-2017 09:30PM

myshirt wrote: »

A lot of traditional Fianna Fail voters willing to vote Fine Gael if we go to the polls over this.

They tried that in 2011.. it hasn't worked out so well beyond "the economy", and it's questionable how much FG (and LAB) can take credit for a global recovery and its influence on a small FDI-dependent country like ourselves.

FG aren't so quick to take credit for this latest (and ongoing) mess, the healthcare crisis, homelessness and the costs of renting, the lack of proper infrastructure that's hampering our ability to win post-Brexit investment etc etc

If we go to the polls I would expect broadly the same results as last time, but FF/SF will be likely to do a deal rather than prop up FG and a rag-tag bunch of Independents for another while.

Water John · 24-11-2017 09:35PM

From the polls, it looks like FF, FG and SF would gain seats. LB to lose seats along with Inds.
But getting ahead of ourselves a wee bit maybe. Let the talks continue.
If radical reform of DOJ and Garda was agreed, with an overseeing Dail Committee, that might wash.
I, for one think FF should accept. It's this reform that's really needed. Once off opportunity to have it tackled by across party agreement.

We know Leo wishes that to happen.

tomwaterford · 24-11-2017 09:47PM

An xmas election would bring into play a very interesting and unknown demographic of returned emigrants

This could be enough to tip the balance in some constituenies esp larger ones where last seat closely contested....but who stands to gain the most?

24-11-2017 09:53PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

An xmas election would bring into play a very interesting and unknown demographic of returned emigrants

This could be enough to tip the balance in some constituenies esp larger ones where last seat closely contested....but who stands to gain the most?

Electoral fraud??..... Careful now :pac:
This could have unforseen consequences.

I recently saw a tweet from a irish guy based in sweden or norway saying he would return home to vote and he would vote for higher taxes.

Tiz all very well for him, he doesnt have to live here and bloody pay them :mad:

Water John · 24-11-2017 09:55PM

A winter election may possibly those not very committed to voting, not showing up. Inds would be the most to suffer.

BillyBobBS · 24-11-2017 10:01PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

if she had any honour she'd resign

This is Ireland not the UK.

Water John · 24-11-2017 10:05PM

I wouldn't be looking to the UK for honourable politicians, ATM.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 10:14PM

Water John wrote: »

A winter election may possibly those not very committed to voting, not showing up. Inds would be the most to suffer.

That would be the greatest danger for FG, their vote staying at home.

24-11-2017 10:14PM

If it does go to election and the people give Fine Gael a stronger mandate then we deserve everything we get as a population.

FG led governments have overseen an increasing homeless crisis, a housing crisis, jobpath and jobbridge scams, a mortgage scandal (of which there will be no sanctions dished out to banks), an increasing chasm in revenue between high and low earners, a continuation of the health crisis, only 17 fewer quangos then their 2011 election promise, a continuation of wasteful resources, a continuation of poor planning, a continuation of corruption and increasing rural decline.

The two traditional parties are two sides of the one bad penny but sadly SF or the others offer very little solutions if im being completely honest. Nevertheless, i or many others should prepare to be brave and no longer reward failure. Leo is continuously speaking on behalf of the Irish people today telling us we dont need a general election......Oh yes we do Leo. You cant speak on behalf of the population....you and your cronies are unfit to govern. Time to say goodbye.

Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

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