Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

duffysfarm

Sinn Fein will be putting forward s motion of no confidence in the justice minister Francis Fitzgerald next week over the email scandal surrounding Sgt Maurice mc cabe. Fianna fail have said they have no confidence in the justice minister and if they vote with Sinn Fein then it will bring down the government and Leo will have the record of the shortest ever period as serving as taoiseach (and the nicest socks) so what do you think? Will Leo sack Francis to save himself?

Mocha Joe

Yes. Has no choice.

Odhinn

duffysfarm wrote: »

Sinn Fein will be putting forward s motion of no confidence in the justice minister Francis Fitzgerald next week over the email scandal surrounding Sgt Maurice mc cabe. Fianna fail have said they have no confidence in the justice minister and if they vote with Sinn Fein then it will bring down the government and Leo will have the record of the shortest ever period as serving as taoiseach (and the nicest socks) so what do you think? Will Leo sack Francis to save himself?

As FF have publicaly barked, Frances will now be expected to do the "decent thing" and jump. I doubt anyone fancies an election or going to election footing at this time of year. Can't see leo encouraging her to stay.

tomwaterford

Fianna fail will abstain

The motion will fail


Things will never change

,but it would be all sorts of ironic to see a government fall over treatment of Maurice McCabe

Jawgap

SF are just the noisy kids in the garden while the adults are inside talking.

No one really pays them that much heed and certainly FF aren't going to follow their lead.

Plus FF know they'll suffer the retribution of the electorate if they trigger an election - I sincerely doubt this is a hill they're willing to die on.

Allinall

If the government is brought down, Leo will still be Taoiseach until a new Dail is elected and a vote for Taoiseach takes place.

My view is that Fine Gael will still be the dominent party after an election, and Leo will be re-elected as Taoiseach.

Odhinn

tomwaterford wrote: »

Fianna fail will abstain

The motion will fail


Things will never change

,but it would be all sorts of ironic to see a government fall over treatment of Maurice McCabe

Jawgap wrote: »

SF are just the noisy kids in the garden while the adults are inside talking.

No one really pays them that much heed and certainly FF aren't going to follow their lead.

Plus FF know they'll suffer the retribution of the electorate if they trigger an election - I sincerely doubt this is a hill they're willing to die on.

Ahem......

Fianna Fáil's justice spokesperson has said his party can no longer express confidence in Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald and she "should go".

Speaking on RTÉ's Six One News, Jim O'Callaghan said the events of the last week undermined the Confidence and Supply Agreement between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.

He said Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin had spoken yesterday by telephone with Taoiseach Leo Varadker to express this view.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/1123/922187-fitzgerald-politics/

Rather than go to an election, they're barking in public to give her the chance to go before the vote as the SF motion has forced their hand.

Ulysses Gaze

FF will abstain and bide their time on this.

They are not strong enough yet, electorally, to pursue it and go to an election footing with the possibility of being the largest party.

Anyway, Garda corruption predates this Fine Gael government.

The Guards are rotten to the core and need to be disbanded and a new Policing organisation started with leadership from outside the state in its Upper Echelons.

Along with a Foreign managed Internal Affairs department as well.

Jawgap

No......he's actually quite tall

Jawgap

Odhinn wrote: »

Ahem......


https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/1123/922187-fitzgerald-politics/

Rather than go to an election, they're barking in public to give her the chance to go before the vote as the SF motion has forced their hand.

Grand so, I expect they'll vote with the Shinners on their motion then

Hitman3000

Maybe Fitzgerald will do the right thing and resign, I know only joking Leo unless he fancies canvassing in the cold will have to sack her.

Odhinn

Jawgap wrote: »

Grand so, I expect they'll vote with the Shinners on their motion then

Course not. Yer woman will be gone so they can hardly hold a vote on her. It's a vote of confidence in Francis herself, not the government.

Annasopra

tomwaterford wrote: »

Fianna fail will abstain

The motion will fail


Things will never change

,but it would be all sorts of ironic to see a government fall over treatment of Maurice McCabe

Its in FFs interest to vote no confidence in Fitzgerald and effectively call an election;
FG making a mess
Adams not gone away
Left abysmally poor in polls
Indos a shambles

Odhinn

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Maybe Fitzgerald will do the right thing and resign, I know only joking Leo unless he fancies canvassing in the cold will have to sack her.

If she doesn't, she won't be running out of selotape putting up the christmas cards.

Hitman3000

Allinall wrote:

My view is that Fine Gael will still be the dominent party after an election, and Leo will be re-elected as Taoiseach.

Just to be safe though don't put any money on that happening. FF won't support another FG minority government after the next GE.

tomwaterford

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Its in FFs interest to vote no confidence in Fitzgerald and effectively call an election;
FG making a mess
Adams not gone away
Left abysmally poor in polls
Indos a shambles

I would fancy varadkar to wipe the floor with Martin in an election debate tbh



FF are woeful unprepared for an snap election,from outside looking in

Subcomandante Marcos

How dare dem lil upstarts demand that a woman who is accountable for a massive f*ckup be held accountable for her actions.
The very notion of accountability in the oireachtas, madness!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Its in FFs interest to vote no confidence in Fitzgerald and effectively call an election;
FG making a mess
Adams not gone away
Left abysmally poor in polls
Indos a shambles

It is most definitely not in FFs interest to have an election now. Their support would leave them without anything near a majority and we'd be right back where we are at present. Indeed, some polls put FG slightly better off than after the last election.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Poor old Leo might not even get to meet Trump

Jawgap

Odhinn wrote: »

Course not. Yer woman will be gone so they can hardly hold a vote on her. It's a vote of confidence in Francis herself, not the government.

Well there you then.......in answer to the question posed by the OP, the answer is 'no' - either she goes of her own volition and Leo persists or she doesn't and he sacks her (and he stays on), or they stand by her and play chicken with FF......


.......and given FF's history I'd not be banking on their support if the vote rolls around - if a week is a long time in politics, six days is an eternity in FF-land

....and even if he goes, he's still odds on (at 5/6) to be Taoiseach after the next election.

littelady

I would personally vote Leo for Taoiseach again & again I think he is doing great work.

Odhinn

Jawgap wrote: »

Well there you then.......in answer to the question posed by the OP, the answer is 'no' - either she goes of her own volition and Leo persists or she doesn't and he sacks her (and he stays on), or they stand by her and play chicken with FF......


.......and given FF's history I'd not be banking on their support if the vote rolls around - if a week is a long time in politics, six days is an eternity in FF-land

....and even if he goes, he's still odds on (at 5/6) to be Taoiseach after the next election.

This is true. Yet after the crash, who would have thought FF would be back as the 2nd largest party? With a man who was part of that eras cabinet as leader. We're a perverse lot.

Jawgap

Odhinn wrote: »

This is true. Yet after the crash, who would have thought FF would be back as the 2nd largest party? With a man who was part of that eras cabinet as leader. We're a perverse lot.

I quite agree.

We've forgiven FF for totally trashing the economy - and we see zero irony in SF expressing support for the Guards while also having a leading member who has been closely associated with the killers of a Guard!

Allinall

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Just to be safe though don't put any money on that happening. FF won't support another FG minority government after the next GE.

They'll coalesce.

jacksie66

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Hitman3000

Allinall wrote:

They'll coalesce.

They should but won't. Too many egos.

Edward M

jacksie66 wrote: »

I think Leo is doing a grand job..

But Fitzgerald needs to resign though.
Its time she took responsibility for her failings.

Hitman3000

jacksie66 wrote:

I think Leo is doing a grand job..

Really? So what has he done, serious question.

McMurphy

Jawgap wrote: »

SF are just the noisy kids in the garden while the adults are inside talking.

No one really pays them that much heed and certainly FF aren't going to follow their lead.

Plus FF know they'll suffer the retribution of the electorate if they trigger an election - I sincerely doubt this is a hill they're willing to die on.

The justice minister of all people actively knew, yet did shag all about a smear campaign, involving the most disgusting and vile accusations anyone could be accused of - about a whistleblower that she publicly was showing support for, along with the person trying to smear him (Noirin Sullivan)

FF apparently are set to refuse to back Fitzgerald on this one. You seem to be unaware of this.

That makes your above remarks about the kids and the adults all the more ironic.

lawred2

Jawgap wrote: »

SF are just the noisy kids in the garden while the adults are inside talking.

No one really pays them that much heed and certainly FF aren't going to follow their lead.

Plus FF know they'll suffer the retribution of the electorate if they trigger an election - I sincerely doubt this is a hill they're willing to die on.

That's delusional and long dated thinking

Odhinn

Edward M wrote: »

But Fitzgerald needs to resign though.
Its time she took responsibility for her failings.

True, though doubtless she thinks, as many do, that perhaps a lot more senior gardai should do something similar.

Duckworth_Luas

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Really? So what has he done, serious question.

A lot done, more to do!

Hitman3000

Duckworth_Luas wrote:

A lot done, more to do!

Any examples?

Fred Swanson

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lawred2

Don't mind Varadkar really. And Coveney would make an excellent Tanaiste so I hope she does walk. Never found her overly impressive really.

saintsaltynuts

May as well be Leo Sayer as Taoiseach.I mean he'l lead ye on a song and dance as well.

Soulsun

Is there a real possibility of an election soon?

Allinall

Soulsun wrote: »

Is there a real possibility of an election soon?

Certainly not until well in to the new year.

littelady

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Really? So what has he done, serious question.

He is helping people finance ivf. He is also looking after the self-employed giving them the same rights as those on prsi.

Hitman3000

I'm sure there is many in FG who wish they had taken M McCabe seriously and treated him with the respect and decency he deserved.

Beechwoodspark

Very much so. Why was there such resistance to his claims

Odhinn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Very much so. Why was there such resistance to his claims

Much is due to the culture of the Gardai and no small amount to the character of the man who was chief of that organisation at the time.

Hitman3000

littelady wrote:

He is helping people finance ivf. He is also looking after the self-employed giving them the same rights as those on prsi.

That's not an answer to my question. I asked what has Leo done.

Duckworth_Luas

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Any examples?

Beechwoodspark

As for Leo, if he is the shortest serving Taoiseach so be it.

As many people pointed out at the time, he has f all achievements to point to prior to being Taoiseach, and damn all achieved in the few months he's had the top job.

For all the criticism of Kenny he never would have made such a faux pas as Leo did last week trying to minimise the homelessness problem.

Leo is a wannabe Home Counties Tory.

And despite his fcuking propaganda unit, ppl are copping on

enricoh

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Any examples?

When Fine gael took over from fianna fail every second weekend there was a going away party on around here with friends going to oz, Canada etc looking for work
Fast forward to now and virtually everyone I know is working. I was building an extension this year and every tradesman I had was flat out also
Thats good enough for me to vote for them

A Little Pony

He has got achievements, keeping Sinn Fein out of government thus saving the economy and the countries dignity.

Beechwoodspark

A Little Pony wrote: »

He has got achievements, keeping Sinn Fein out of government thus saving the economy and the countries dignity.

Nothing to do with Leo.

Hitman3000

A Little Pony wrote:

He has got achievements, keeping Sinn Fein out of government thus saving the economy and the countries dignity.

Sinn Fein has kept themselves out of government.

littelady

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As for Leo, if he is the shortest serving Taoiseach so be it.

As many people pointed out at the time, he has f all achievements to point to prior to being Taoiseach, and damn all achieved in the few months he's had the top job.

For all the criticism of Kenny he never would have made such a faux pas as Leo did last week trying to minimise the homelessness problem.

Leo is a wannabe Home Counties Tory.

"F all achievemeets prior to being Taoiseach" you do realise he is a doctor.

He is right about homelessness every country has it.

Beechwoodspark

littelady wrote: »

"F all achievemeets prior to being Taoiseach" you do realise he is a doctor.

He is right about homelessness every country has it.

His personal qualifications have f all to do with his POLITICAL ACHIEVEMENTS