Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

listermint · 24-11-2017 12:17AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If there is a GE before Christmas the British Govt will get what they want - progress to phase 2 Brexit negotiations and Ireland shafted.

Varadkar won't be able to wield a veto in election mode. We'll be weakened.

If there has to be an election it should be January or Feburary at the earliest in my view.

Then obvious solution is to make her walk.

She's clearly not competent

Nettle Soup · 24-11-2017 12:18AM

listermint wrote: »

Then obvious solution is to make her walk.

She's clearly not competent

Irrespective of her incompetence around the McCabe fiasco, she doesn't fill me with confidence in any portfolio. I was astounded Leo made her Tanaiste. What has she ever achieved?

Kermit.de.frog · 24-11-2017 12:21AM

I don't really care about her competence at this stage tbh.

I'm simply saying the reality that the British Government will get in to phase 2 of their negotiations with the EU if we
have a General Election before Christmas. Our leverage will be gone.

It is NOT in our national interest to have a general election before Christmas.

tomwaterford · 24-11-2017 12:21AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thats the confusing thing, I agree with you here.

The more I look at it the more it suits a confident FG than anyone else

But I dunno how confident they should be. Feck all changed since last election imo. Unless someone really dislikes Fitzgerald (and Flanagan at this stage).

Any fall out (of which there surly will be)...from McCabe will surly be painted as the work of fg?

Moreover I would have grave concerns on the message it sends out to likes of gaurds etc if electing straight back in fg,given what it's been accused they are sanctioning

It bears no sense what so ever to stand by her here,surly there's some job at Europe etc she could be sent to??

This is would actually be hilarious if it wasn't so serious as to what McCabe has been put through

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 12:21AM

George Sunsnow wrote: »

Where would FG voters go? Not to SF,Not to FF,not to labour -Independents? Hardly
Their type is a core in the mid 50's seat wise so that's the block that will at least come back
They've nothing to lose here and plenty of hay to make on why mid Brexit a government was felled unnecessarily on something that is the competence of a sitting tribunal

Are you telling us FGs vote never fell before?

There us a campaign to mount and I don't think we know all that went on here. There could be more to come. FG have a habit of arrogance and Irish voters don't like that.

listermint · 24-11-2017 12:23AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't really care about her competence at this stage tbh.

I'm simply saying the reality that the British Government will get in to phase 2 of their negotiations with the EU if we
have a General Election before Christmas. Our leverage will be gone.

It is NOT in our national interest to have a general election before Christmas.

If she's sent to the door there won't be.

So why keep her?

This problem was hers and went through her office.

Its a stain on the Government and the party. Why keep it up

tomwaterford · 24-11-2017 12:24AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't really care about her competence at this stage tbh.

.

You don't think/care if government ministers or second in charge are competent

Roger_007 · 24-11-2017 12:24AM

I'm looking forward to an election on Christmas Day. There's generally feck all else to do anyway,

24-11-2017 12:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you telling us FGs vote never fell before?

There us a campaign to mount and I don't think we know all that went on here. There could be more to come. FG have a habit of arrogance and Irish voters don't like that.

Arah wait now don't you know everything including the findings of an ongoing tribunal.

Jog on buck you've some cheek accusing anyone else of spin.

expectationlost · 24-11-2017 12:29AM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Irrespective of her incompetence around the McCabe fiasco, she doesn't fill me with confidence in any portfolio. I was astounded Leo made her Tanaiste. What has she ever achieved?

she decent at repeating talking points with a straight face, thats about it

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 12:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Arah wait now don't you know everything including the findings of an ongoing tribunal.

Jog on beuck you've some cheek accusing anyone else of spin.

How many years now has stuff been tumbling into the public domain about this?

It is not spin, it is almost a certainty there will be more. Charlie Flanagan will have the spotlight on him soon, possibly during a campaign.

Jog on as right.

24-11-2017 12:30AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any fall out (of which there surly will be)...from McCabe will surly be painted as the work of fg?

Moreover I would have grave concerns on the message it sends out to likes of gaurds etc if electing straight back in fg,given what it's been accused they are sanctioning

It bears no sense what so ever to stand by her here,surly there's some job at Europe etc she could be sent to??

This is would actually be hilarious if it wasn't so serious as to what McCabe has been put through

Agreed that nothing in the handling of the McCabe affair is any good for FG and Varadkar best served by acting strongly and jettisoning Fitzgerald and Flanagan now.

But not once SF and FF demand he do so, for obvious reasons.

What's confusing is why SF pushed knowing the inevitable fallout- Martin was always going to be forced to call his an motion and I doubt any of the major parties want an election nor see any guaranteed jump in seats from last time.

It's a clusterf*ck tbh

McMurphy · 24-11-2017 12:31AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't really care about her competence at this stage tbh.

I'm simply saying the reality that the British Government will get in to phase 2 of their negotiations with the EU if we
have a General Election before Christmas. Our leverage will be gone.

It is NOT in our national interest to have a general election before Christmas.

So FG should tell Frances to clear her desk and get the fook out.

All the party faithful attempting to deflect blame to SF/FF on forcing an election are letting party faithfulness clout their vision.

The justice minister. I repeat the JUSTICE MINISTER has been exposed as to be made aware of a smear campaign do discredit/smear the character of a whistleblower, and do nothing, while simultaneously support him in public .

FF/SF/Lab are ALL saying it's not good enough, and are calling for her resignation.

Its a case from FG of 'everyone else is wrong and we're right'

The elections avoidable. Frances needs to do the right thing.

A corrupt justice minister is too serious to let slide. I don't see what benefit Leo will get from letting this tarnish him for years to come

vicwatson · 24-11-2017 12:33AM

Isn't Charlie Flanagan somewhat culpable too?

McMurphy · 24-11-2017 12:36AM

vicwatson wrote: »

Isn't Charlie Flanagan somewhat culpable too?

He is, so far as letting Leo take flack by way of making him correct the Dail.

He should be gone too imo.

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 12:36AM

vicwatson wrote: »

Isn't Charlie Flanagan somewhat culpable too?

He let Leo tell porkies in the Dail.
I think they thought they would plamas it all away. The arrogance of power FG style

allthedoyles · 24-11-2017 12:37AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to an election on Christmas Day. There's generally feck all else to do anyway,

You could always watch a James Bond movie .:)

McMurphy · 24-11-2017 12:38AM

Ivan Yates says Leo has lost his mandate.

Dyr · 24-11-2017 12:38AM

Jawgap wrote: »

Grand so, I expect they'll vote with the Shinners on their motion then

I do enjoy when people like your good self show how little they understand about a situation.

Frances is going to be tripped over on a sword or we've got a problem, all three parties have called their own bluff on this. Gob****es, should be fun:D

Does Leo think the FG rank and file like him enough to hit the doorsteps just before Christmas?

super_furry · 24-11-2017 12:38AM

Think Sinn Fein and Fine Fail are seriously misjudging the mood for an election right now. There’s too much going on with Brexit and the 8th Ammendment right now and it could back fire on them entirely.

I also reckon that Fine Fail want to go to the polls now because Gerry Adams will still be in charge of Sinn Fein and for them it’s a much more tempting prospect to go up against the Sinners with him in charge rather than someone like Mary Lou. It’ll be much harder to push the provo point with her in charge.

tomwaterford · 24-11-2017 12:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agreed that nothing in the handling of the McCabe affair is any good for FG and Varadkar best served by acting strongly and jettisoning Fitzgerald and Flanagan now.

But not once SF and FF demand he do so, for obvious reasons.

What's confusing is why SF pushed knowing the inevitable fallout- Martin was always going to be forced to call his an motion and I doubt any of the major parties want an election nor see any guaranteed jump in seats from last time.

It's a clusterf*ck tbh

Theres a zero lose game for SF....even if they lose 2-3 poorer performing TDs (have heard not hugely happy with traction some are getting)..most likely 2 to labour and 1 indo aparently??

They'll just cite it as leadership instability....

Noone Couldve predicted varadkar would back her though.....a modern Taoiseach for a modern ireland.....and walks himself into what looks like a clusterfcuk election??

Either they are polling unreal privately or Maurice McCabe is about to change the course of Irish history and land micheal Martin into the Taoiseach office within 10 years of bankrupting the county

Nettle Soup · 24-11-2017 12:39AM

Rick Shaw wrote: »

So FG should tell Frances to clear her desk and get the fook out.

All the party faithful attempting to deflect blame to SF/FF on forcing an election are letting party faithfulness clout their vision.

The justice minister. I repeat the JUSTICE MINISTER has been exposed as to be made aware of a smear campaign do discredit/smear the character of a whistleblower, and do nothing, while simultaneously support him in public .

FF/SF/Lab are ALL saying it's not good enough, and are calling for her resignation.

Its a case from FG of 'everyone else is wrong and we're right'

The elections avoidable. Frances needs to do the right thing.

A corrupt justice minister is too serious to let slide. I don't see what benefit Leo will get from letting this tarnish him for years to come

Great posts. Sums it up well.

backspin. · 24-11-2017 12:40AM

I normally love elections but i don't want one right now.

George Sunsnow · 24-11-2017 12:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you telling us FGs vote never fell before?

There us a campaign to mount and I don't think we know all that went on here. There could be more to come. FG have a habit of arrogance and Irish voters don't like that.

I think they've a core vote and,it's where it's at
If the country was falling asunder for the people that typically vote for them,then they'd be in trouble
It's not

SuperSean11 · 24-11-2017 12:41AM

Al porters available

JP Liz V1 · 24-11-2017 12:42AM

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Ivan Yates says Leo has lost his mandate.

I thought he had a boyfriend :P

FrancieBrady · 24-11-2017 12:42AM

super_furry wrote: »

Think Sinn Fein and Fine Fail are seriously misjudging the mood for an election right now. There’s too much going on with Brexit and the 8th Ammendment right now and it could back fire on them entirely.

I also reckon that Fine Fail want to go to the polls now because Gerry Adams will still be in charge of Sinn Fein and for them it’s a much more tempting prospect to go up against the Sinners with him in charge rather than someone like Mary Lou. It’ll be much harder to push the provo point with her in charge.

Lynn Boylan SF just said Gerry won't be leading them. A special Are Fheis will be called.
FF were simply outplayed and won't allow SF to taunt them about it IMO.

tomwaterford · 24-11-2017 12:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lynn Boylan SF just said Gerry won't be leading them. A special Are Fheis will be called.
FF were simply outplayed and won't allow SF to taunt them about it IMO.

If there's an election before xmas....there won't be time?

super_furry · 24-11-2017 12:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lynn Boylan SF just said Gerry won't be leading them. A special Are Fheis will be called.
FF were simply outplayed and won't allow SF to taunt them about it IMO.

Jesus if that’s true, Fianna Fáil have really been played. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them backtrack and find some fudge of a compromise tomorrow now.

expectationlost · 24-11-2017 12:45AM

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Ivan Yates says Leo has lost his mandate.

in what way?

Will Leo be the shortest serving taoiseach in history?

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