Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Ipso · 22-11-2017 07:02PM

Wake up sheeple, you just don't get it,

mad muffin · 22-11-2017 07:07PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Do you believe in Pizzagate too? Roy Moore has numerous accusation against him, Biden has youtube videos by conspiracy theorists...

OMG!!! My eyes deceive me. A thousand pardones my good sir!

Ipso · 22-11-2017 07:08PM

mad muffin wrote: »

You guys are totally insane. You know that?

An explanation how would be good.

PeterParker957 · 22-11-2017 07:09PM

The Editor of "US Teen Vogue" has said today that She doesn't care if innocent men lose their jobs, livelihoods or relationships due to false allegations.

I doubt she's the only one with that point of view. Scary.

mad muffin · 22-11-2017 07:13PM

Ipso wrote: »

An explanation how would be good.

An explanation of what? That you’re full of BS?

Ipso · 22-11-2017 07:14PM

Well done, did the big boys at infowars help you with that one?

mad muffin · 22-11-2017 07:16PM

Ipso wrote: »

Well done, did the big boys at infowars help you with that one?

So are you telling me what exactly?

Ipso · 22-11-2017 07:17PM

Given your last couple posts you're not in a position to criticize.

pitifulgod · 22-11-2017 07:18PM

mad muffin wrote: »

So are you telling me what exactly?

Your response to your claim being criticised was that we are "totally insane". It would appear that you are incapable of refuting our points...

mad muffin · 22-11-2017 07:37PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Your response to your claim being criticised was that we are "totally insane". It would appear that you are incapable of refuting our points...

What that Joe Biden never acted like a creep? Didn’t try to josh and touch young girls inappropriately? Those videos are right winged fakes?

It’s not really how I’m those videos? They are all actors?

Is that your point?

pitifulgod · 22-11-2017 07:44PM

mad muffin wrote: »

What that Joe Biden never acted like a creep? Didn’t try to josh and touch young girls inappropriately? Those videos are right winged fakes?

It’s not really how I’m those videos? They are all actors?

Is that your point?

My point is that it's a conspiracy. One example from the videos is him resting his hands on the should of a child during a photo. That's not inappropriate.... The videos are basically interpreting normal human behaviour as creepy. Basically the exact same as the pizzagate conspiracy.

PeterParker957 · 22-11-2017 07:45PM

mad muffin wrote: »

pitifulgod wrote: »

Your response to your claim being criticised was that we are "totally insane". It would appear that you are incapable of refuting our points...

What that Joe Biden never acted like a creep? Didn’t try to josh and touch young girls inappropriately? Those videos are right winged fakes?

It’s not really how I’m those videos? They are all actors?

Is that your point?

I wasn't aware of the back of the shoulder being an erogenous zone!!

mad muffin · 22-11-2017 08:09PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

My point is that it's a conspiracy. One example from the videos is him resting his hands on the should of a child during a photo. That's not inappropriate.... The videos are basically interpreting normal human behaviour as creepy. Basically the exact same as the pizzagate conspiracy.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I wasn't aware of the back of the shoulder being an erogenous zone!!

Okayyyy thennnnn…

Just so I get it right. Because the alt right have called him out on it it’s fake? Gotcha.

Itssoeasy · 22-11-2017 08:09PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

The Editor of "US Teen Vogue" has said today that She doesn't care if innocent men lose their jobs, livelihoods or relationships due to false allegations.

I doubt she's the only one with that point of view. Scary.

That's nice of her to say.

PeterParker957 · 22-11-2017 08:11PM

mad muffin wrote: »

pitifulgod wrote: »

My point is that it's a conspiracy. One example from the videos is him resting his hands on the should of a child during a photo. That's not inappropriate.... The videos are basically interpreting normal human behaviour as creepy. Basically the exact same as the pizzagate conspiracy.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I wasn't aware of the back of the shoulder being an erogenous zone!!

Okayyyy thennnnn…

Just so I get it right. Because the alt right have called him out on it it’s fake? Gotcha.

I have zero clue what you're banging on about there.

pitifulgod · 22-11-2017 08:11PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Okayyyy thennnnn…

Just so I get it right. Because the alt right have called him out on it it’s fake? Gotcha.

Ignore everything I say... :rolleyes:

ceadaoin. · 22-11-2017 08:23PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

My point is that it's a conspiracy. One example from the videos is him resting his hands on the should of a child during a photo. That's not inappropriate.... The videos are basically interpreting normal human behaviour as creepy. Basically the exact same as the pizzagate conspiracy.

In fairness he does more than rest his hands on the shoulders of a child. I've seen several videos where he smells and strokes their hair, sniffs their neck, rests his hands on their chest area and kisses them. Some times the girls look uncomfortable. It's not like it's made up, he did that stuff on camera so how is it a conspiracy? I'm not sure he is an abuser but it does come across as creepy and looks like a person with no respect for boundaries or personal space.

I do agree that the recent push to publicise this is political though which is annoying. Clearly abusers come from all walks of life. The attempts at deflection by both sides are pathetic and show that those people don't actually care about victims if the perpetrator is "one of their own." The fact that the president of the USA is one of these people is disgusting

cloudatlas · 22-11-2017 08:24PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

The Editor of "US Teen Vogue" has said today that She doesn't care if innocent men lose their jobs, livelihoods or relationships due to false allegations.

I doubt she's the only one with that point of view. Scary.

Quote please.

Outlaw Pete · 22-11-2017 08:29PM

Her tweets are protected but here you go.

PeterParker957 · 22-11-2017 08:36PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Her tweets are protected but here you go.

Thanks Outlaw Pete.

pitifulgod · 22-11-2017 08:37PM

Firstly, not an editor as the person claimed. Secondly, she's simply saying percentage wise false accusation are rare so the overall good outweighs the good as at very least it will remove people in power who are abusing their roles. Women and men will be more willing to speak out.

PeterParker957 · 22-11-2017 08:41PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Firstly, not an editor as the person claimed. Secondly, she's simply saying percentage wise false accusation are rare so the overall good outweighs the good as at very least it will remove people in power who are abusing their roles. Women and men will be more willing to speak out.

You'll have to forgive me - US Teen Vogue isn't exactly on my reading list.

And no the good DOES NOT outweigh the bad. In her opinion the percentages are tiny. I'd dispute that and also they are going up.

ceadaoin. · 22-11-2017 08:48PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

You'll have to forgive me - US Teen Vogue isn't exactly on my reading list.

And no the good DOES NOT outweigh the bad. In her opinion the percentages are tiny. I'd dispute that and also they are going up.

Its not her opinion, you can look up the studies, the percentages are usually in the 2-5% range. What is undisputed is that are far more unreported rapes or sexual assaults than false claims. Do you have any evidence to back up your opinion that this is increasing?

pitifulgod · 22-11-2017 09:14PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

You'll have to forgive me - US Teen Vogue isn't exactly on my reading list.

And no the good DOES NOT outweigh the bad. In her opinion the percentages are tiny. I'd dispute that and also they are going up.

You've been treating basically every accusation as false and very much so victim blaming throughout this thread.... That's the official stat. If it saves women or men from suffering to a significant degree, yep it does matter. Also the fact that people are becoming more willing to speak out. Eg I doubt Al Porter would have come out if it wasn't for metoo...

RabbleRouser2k · 23-11-2017 05:37AM

valoren wrote: »

It's what a predator does and yes gives us insight into how infallible these power brokers feel.

He copped a feel in plain sight.

Crews is in a lose-lose situation. He either doesn't react immediately and reports it to the police who question the producer who then retaliates by blacklisting Crews and smearing his reputation as a trouble maker, something Crews didn't do because he understood that implicitly.

Or, Crews immediately and understandably socks the guy and get's into even more trouble. His reputation then becoming 'He's a hot head, a bully, a loose canon' etc. His profile is affected and future work is affected. The credibility of the producer and his personal morals are gone considering he thinks nothing of groping people like Crews. A sociopathic liar, he could claim that what had 'actually' happened in this case was per his Lawyers (even more liars) he went to shake Crews hand but somehow 'missed the intended target of Crews hand' and made 'unintentional contact' with his 'general genital area' after which Crews decked him. If anyone, including Crews wife, claimed otherwise, he'd sue them up to the eye balls about defamation etc knowing it would be unduly time consuming and expensive for them. He'd play the victim no two ways about that. Ironically, this guy himself felt untouchable but abuse comes in a variety of guises of which this is one.

The same predatory behavior is seen with Al Porter. He went into the toilets and copped a feel of people in there. No cctv. His word against yours. And as with Crews you either say nothing and move on, enabling Porter all the more, or you react violently and subsequently find yourself charged for assault. And deep down you know that while you are destroyed, you have a predatory abusive individual appearing on the Late Late playing the victim of a homophobic attack, who will get great mileage out of how he is more 'anxious', 'depressed' etc, getting more public sympathy, raising his profile.

Apparently the accusations were known for somewhere in the region of six months. So it reflects badly on TV3 or Today Fm that they didn't question him about this. (TV3 cos of Blind Date, where he was going to be around a lot of people.

There's been some claims that Porter doesn't even have depression, or a 'chemical' imbalance as he claimed. Considering his behaviour, I would be inclined to believe it. He's a fake and disturbed individual.

kunst nugget · 23-11-2017 10:32AM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Firstly, not an editor as the person claimed. Secondly, she's simply saying percentage wise false accusation are rare so the overall good outweighs the good as at very least it will remove people in power who are abusing their roles. Women and men will be more willing to speak out.

So you're okay with an innocent man losing his job and his reputation over a false allegation?

Wibbs · 23-11-2017 10:58AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

So you're okay with an innocent man losing his job and his reputation over a false allegation?

Seems to be the gist alright. Evil Men (c) and all that. Let's switch it around.... I'm actually not at all concerned if a few raped women have their stories ignored if it saves the reputations of even just a few good men. The smelling salts would be needed after a tweet like that.

This Lindin wan is clearly a muppet who has drunk deep from the well of modern "feminism" and the "equality" mask slipped, that's all. The usual nonsense is trotted out. The "half the population is oppressed" by the "Patriarchy". Id est; the usual "feminist" worldview filter of women are always agentless victims and men are always to blame. As I've noted before this never fails to fit the "feminist" rhetoric de jour.

In this idiot's tweets she expands on this by essentially setting out her stall that men are the oppressors so no man is truly innocent, so who cares if a blameless man gets trampled? I also love the gargantuan ego on this idiot where she says this is a price she's willing to pay. Really? You wouldn't have to pay anything, you silly cow.

23-11-2017 11:08AM

pitifulgod wrote: »

Firstly, not an editor as the person claimed. Secondly, she's simply saying percentage wise false accusation are rare so the overall good outweighs the good as at very least it will remove people in power who are abusing their roles. Women and men will be more willing to speak out.

Do you have evidence to back up your claim that false accusations are rare? I'm not saying they aren't, but you'd have to wonder how many false accusations were never discovered.

Christy42 · 23-11-2017 11:51AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

So you're okay with an innocent man losing his job and his reputation over a false allegation?

I am pretty sure the point of the tweet is that it is worth it if it brings down the number of sexual assault either by outing current offenders or by showing future potential offenders that they won't get away with it.

The numbers for each are up for debate but assuming that the number of false accusations is low which this tweeter does and that there are a lot of victims that currently don't speak up (valid assumption as recent events have shown that plenty felt the need to keep quiet before the metoo/Weinstein stuff). In this regard the tweet is pretty valid and I can see the frustration that a backlash has emerged against people starting to fix what was/is a serious problem.

As I said the number of false allegations is up for debate. Aside from that though the logic is sound.

kunst nugget · 23-11-2017 11:57AM

Christy42 wrote: »

I am pretty sure the point of the tweet is that it is worth it if it brings down the number of sexual assault either by outing current offenders or by showing future potential offenders that they won't get away with it.

The numbers for each are up for debate but assuming that the number of false accusations is low which this tweeter does and that there are a lot of victims that currently don't speak up (valid assumption as recent events have shown that plenty felt the need to keep quiet before the metoo/Weinstein stuff). In this regard the tweet is pretty valid and I can see the frustration that a backlash has emerged against people starting to fix what was/is a serious problem.

As I said the number of false allegations is up for debate. Aside from that though the logic is sound.

So you're okay with an innocent man losing his job and reputation as a result of a false allegation?

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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