Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Tigger

Penn wrote: »

Scientology. Danny Masterson is a Scientologist, like Cruise and Travolta.

two things
1 i know it was a joke
2 i know it was a joke

i know this is the same thing twice but it bears mentioning

Tigger

anna080 wrote: »

Latest Instagram by Una Thurman. She seems to be alleging she's a victim of Harvey also?

if she was offerd a job in return for sex and this makes her a victim
then all prostitutes are victims and stuff

do you wanna see a real feminist find the lady that did the im an escort ask me anything

JP Liz V1

There is another woman accusing Jeremy Piven

Tigger

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There is another woman accusing Jeremy Piven

yeah
hes probably finished but im not surprised

JP Liz V1

Tigger wrote: »

yeah
hes probably finished but im not surprised

He keeps denying and took a polygraph

Christy42

Tigger wrote: »

if she was offerd a job in return for sex and this makes her a victim
then all prostitutes are victims and stuff

do you wanna see a real feminist find the lady that did the im an escort ask me anything

That does not make any sense, literally no sense whstsoever. If someone tried to pressure into sex simply so that she can do her job (which is not prostitution) then she is a victim. Making women have sex with you before you give them a job is wrong. A woman should not be forced into prostitution if she does not want to be (or have someone attempt to angle into that area). If she chooses that profession it is a different matter.

A prostitute on the other hand is actively offering sex. That is their job.

Do you see the difference?

ceadaoin.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

He keeps denying and took a polygraph

I don't know if he is guilty or not but lie detectors are total BS. They aren't admissable in court for a reason

RabbleRouser2k

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I don't know if he is guilty or not but lie detectors are total BS. They aren't admissable in court for a reason

Yeah, easily adjusted or tampered with.

The best way to get a decent, accurate interpretation of facts is to ask a ton of questions. PEople lying often waver, people telling the truth do not.

Penn

Tigger wrote: »

two things
1 i know it was a joke
2 i know it was a joke

i know this is the same thing twice but it bears mentioning

Ha, apologies. Sometimes in these days when some people are so quick to outrage, it's easier to be oblivious to the obvious.

cloudatlas

Tigger wrote: »

if she was offerd a job in return for sex and this makes her a victim
then all prostitutes are victims and stuff

do you wanna see a real feminist find the lady that did the im an escort ask me anything

What an absolute jump to make, with so little information.

Dohnjoe

mad muffin wrote: »

Groping and trying to kiss young girls is nothing? Putting his hands on women is nothing? Making them feel uncomfortable is nothing?

Did I watch someone else do it? It wasn’t the former Vice President Joe Biden?

If he has done anything inappropriate - then people can report it

Watch almost any game show host with contestants; touching, hand holding, hugging, comforting. Can easily be misconstrued or distorted into "groping", "feeling", etc - the key is intent, which can sometimes be subjective

Double edged sword at the moment - predators are getting outed, but there may be collateral damage with innocent people

Penn

The bit that strikes me about Thurman's post is "...and all your wicked conspirators..."

Given Tarantino's previous statement about knowing about some of things Weinstein was doing for years and doing nothing to stop it or protect his actresses from it (given Daryl Hannah's story and how it happened during Kill Bill), I wonder if that's who she's referring to. Especially when you consider how linked Thurman's career is to Tarantino.

I can't find any further comment from Tarentino since he said he needed time to 'come to terms with his pain' when the whole Weinstein thing first blew up. I know he has a movie coming out and wonder if he's busy trying to distance himself from his friend of decades to limit the personal damage.

If he knew Weinsteins form and continued to support and work with him, even when he had reached the top of his career and was all but untouchable himself, I won't have an ounce of respect for the guy.

Shurimgreat

Why is Uma Thurman only coming out now? Why not years ago?

Looks like bandwagon jumping to me. If he wasn't exposed she would have kept her mouth shut and continued to work with him and benefit financially from working with him.

Christy42

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Why is Uma Thurman only coming out now? Why not years ago?

Looks like bandwagon jumping to me. If he wasn't exposed she would have kept her mouth shut and continued to work with him and benefit financially from working with him.

Because no matter when you do come out people will always attack you so what is the point given it took a critical mass of accusations to do something to Weinstein.

Evidence: your post going on the timing of the claim ffs. Like that is the biggest deal in all this.

Dave_The_Sheep

Candie wrote: »

If he knew Weinsteins form and continued to support and work with him, even when he had reached the top of his career and was all but untouchable himself, I won't have an ounce of respect for the guy.

I'd be highly surprised if all the big players in the movie industry of the same stature/position as Tarantino were not aware of it. If the dog in the street knows, and that appears to have been the case, then you can be sure those at the top also knew.

I love this quote from Reddit:

Louis CK built a comedy career talking about how he was a messed up, unattractive serial masturbator and people laughed and he was beloved for his raw honesty - until it was revealed he was being honest and then people were disgusted at him.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

I love this quote from Reddit:

Except it's pretty much nonsense

He joked about anything and everything, things that were true, things that weren't true - it was part of a routine. His routine wasn't the issue, it was his real life actions

Many comedians talk/joke about dark subjects/activities. There's a massive difference between that and actually engaging in those activities

Shurimgreat

Christy42 wrote: »

Because no matter when you do come out people will always attack you so what is the point given it took a critical mass of accusations to do something to Weinstein.

Evidence: your post going on the timing of the claim ffs. Like that is the biggest deal in all this.

I can understand a young poor actress who needs the work.

Thurman clearly has known what Weinstein is like for years. She's known it seems he was either a rapist or someone who serially attacks women.

She chose to continue to work with him, even though she was a massive name who could easily have found work with other producers and directors.

She kept her mouth shut and took his money.

Now he can't give her money any more she speaks up.

Its complete bullsh*t.

I've plenty of sympathy for the vast majority of his victims. But one or two such as Thurman, you'd have to question their role in all this. She had plenty of chance to speak up and protect other women. She chose to stay quiet and keep the millions rolling in.

Shurimgreat

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

I'd be highly surprised if all the big players in the movie industry of the same stature/position as Tarantino were not aware of it. If the dog in the street knows, and that appears to have been the case, then you can be sure those at the top also knew.

The same applies to some of the women who worked with Weinstein and who chose to speak out when he was no longer the big paymaster. And lets be honest, its the producer who pays the salaries at the end of the day.

homerun_homer

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

I'd be highly surprised if all the big players in the movie industry of the same stature/position as Tarantino were not aware of it. If the dog in the street knows, and that appears to have been the case, then you can be sure those at the top also knew.

Tarantino has already admitted that he knew Weinstein was up to certain shenanigans.

Shurimgreat

homerun_homer wrote: »

Tarantino has already admitted that he knew Weinstein was up to certain shenanigans.

I think he might be tainted by association.

He was heavily dependent on Weinstein for much of his career including his breakout films. Whether this will affect his career from now on remains to be seen.

Hollywood overnight seems to have turned puritanical to the point that even a sniff of anything untoward will end your career.

Shurimgreat

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think he might be tainted by association.

He was heavily dependent on Weinstein for much of his career including his breakout films. Whether this will affect his career from now on remains to be seen.

Hollywood overnight seems to have turned puritanical to the point that even a sniff of anything untoward will end your career.

Every studio in Hollywood spent the past month trying to woo Tarantino with Sony picking it up after offering him one hell of a deal.

Christy42

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I can understand a young poor actress who needs the work.

Thurman clearly has known what Weinstein is like for years. She's known it seems he was either a rapist or someone who serially attacks women.

She chose to continue to work with him, even though she was a massive name who could easily have found work with other producers and directors.

She kept her mouth shut and took his money.

Now he can't give her money any more she speaks up.

Its complete bullsh*t.

I've plenty of sympathy for the vast majority of his victims. But one or two such as Thurman, you'd have to question their role in all this. She had plenty of chance to speak up and protect other women. She chose to stay quiet and keep the millions rolling in.

I can still see it as a hard thing to admit to. Plus while you will still get work the public ridicule can't be fun. I can't imagine that her coming forward earlier would have seemed like it would make a difference. You needed loads to come forward to tip this over the edge.

Granted I also don't criticise Tarantino too much over keeping his own mouth shut. It certainly does not show bravery on them. She told their he truth, belatedly but still a weird thing to go heavy on her with plenty of other targets.

pitifulgod

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think he might be tainted by association.

He was heavily dependent on Weinstein for much of his career including his breakout films. Whether this will affect his career from now on remains to be seen.

Hollywood overnight seems to have turned puritanical to the point that even a sniff of anything untoward will end your career.

After Reservoir Dogs, he could have directed for any studio. Pulp Fiction just solidified it fully....

Billy86

pitifulgod wrote: »

After Reservoir Dogs, he could have directed for any studio. Pulp Fiction just solidified it fully....

Pretty much - he couldn't sell True Romance for love nor money yet as soon as Reservoir Dogs was out he had a number of companies apparently after it with Tony Scott eventually directing and the likes of Christian Slater (pretty big star in 1993), Val Kilmer, Dennis Hopper, Gary Oldman and Brad Pitt in it, plus a pre-fame James Gandolfini directing.

Tarantino would strike me as one of the least dependent people on any producers etc since the mid 90s... he's stuck with some true, but he's up there with the Coen Bros, Scorcese etc for having a name you can just slap on the poster and watch the money fly in.

RabbleRouser2k

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Why is Uma Thurman only coming out now? Why not years ago?

Looks like bandwagon jumping to me. If he wasn't exposed she would have kept her mouth shut and continued to work with him and benefit financially from working with him.

I dunno-I think you were damned if you did, damned if you didn't. Weinstein could make or break a person.
Thurmans' movie career isn't what it was, which probably gives her a lot of freedom, tbh. After Kill Bill, she didn't get many good roles-My Super ex-girlfriend and Motherhood were so ill advised and poorly judged...but then again so were her pre-Kill Bill roles. So I have to wonder if Weinstein had a role in that, or if she had a terrible manager.
I'm thinking it was the latter.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Except it's pretty much nonsense

He joked about anything and everything, things that were true, things that weren't true - it was part of a routine. His routine wasn't the issue, it was his real life actions

Many comedians talk/joke about dark subjects/activities. There's a massive difference between that and actually engaging in those activities

I'm thinking that too-like I know comedians like Daniel Tosh, Frankie Boyle and Daniel Mintz joke about dark material-there's a certain element of 'ya can't say that' to the jokes, or a bit of 'ohhh, noooo...' but they themselves are not demented fiends. Many of em are down to earth, regular people-it's just the moment you tell them 'you can't say that' is the moment they feel 'they have to say it'.

JP Liz V1

Tigger wrote: »

yeah
hes probably finished but im not surprised

CBS has cancelled his show Wisdom of the Crowd

RabbleRouser2k

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

CBS has cancelled his show Wisdom of the Crowd

And that Corrie guy plead guilty, and now has to sign onto a sex offenders register.
Seems Corrie's quick firing of him was down to nobody being surprised.

JP Liz V1

Matt Lauer has been sacked by NBC