Anthony Daly - Kilmacud Crokes

LMK · 22-11-2017 12:32pm #1

I find Anthony Dalys new position as Kilmacud Crokes Hurling manager strange or weird or something unsettling maybe... compared to what the majority of GAA clubs can aspire to.. or maybe would want to aspire to.. it just seems at odds with what the GAA is about..
I know he's a professional pundit in and around hurling ect and seems a sound man.. and Dublin is a different proposition when it comes to GAA and the parish thing.. but like WTF!

Sweet Science · 22-11-2017 1:03pm

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keeponhurling · 22-11-2017 1:24pm

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threeball · 22-11-2017 1:26pm

LMK wrote: »

I find Anthony Dalys new position as Kilmacud Crokes Hurling manager strange or weird or something unsettling maybe... compared to what the majority of GAA clubs can aspire to.. or maybe would want to aspire to.. it just seems at odds with what the GAA is about..
I know he's a professional pundit in and around hurling ect and seems a sound man.. and Dublin is a different proposition when it comes to GAA and the parish thing.. but like WTF!

Dublin Gaa from Club to county is swamped in money. It has been for years. Only difference here is that hes so high profile. But the big clubs have been paying players and managers for years. It happens down the country but its a different level in Dublin.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-11-2017 1:28pm

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Poor_old_gill · 22-11-2017 2:03pm

That man knows the smell of a £

corny · 22-11-2017 2:33pm

LMK wrote: »

I find Anthony Dalys new position as Kilmacud Crokes Hurling manager strange or weird or something unsettling maybe... compared to what the majority of GAA clubs can aspire to.. or maybe would want to aspire to.. it just seems at odds with what the GAA is about..
I know he's a professional pundit in and around hurling ect and seems a sound man.. and Dublin is a different proposition when it comes to GAA and the parish thing.. but like WTF!

**** way to start a thread.

Bonniedog · 22-11-2017 2:51pm

threeball wrote: »

Dublin Gaa from Club to county is swamped in money. It has been for years. Only difference here is that hes so high profile. But the big clubs have been paying players and managers for years. It happens down the country but its a different level in Dublin.

That is an outrageous allegation.

willietherock · 22-11-2017 2:54pm

Does Daly have a proper job?

Utopia Parkway · 22-11-2017 3:04pm

Crokes probably pay more than many smaller counties to be honest.

Best of luck to him anyway.

liam7831 · 22-11-2017 3:18pm

Bonniedog wrote:

That is an outrageous allegation.

I'm outraged and upset and outraged

Bonniedog · 22-11-2017 3:58pm

liam7831 wrote: »

I'm outraged and upset and outraged

So long as you think it is amusing that someone accuses players of breaking the fundamental rule of the GAA. Without any evidence whatsoever.

elefant · 22-11-2017 4:02pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

So long as you think it is amusing that someone accuses players of breaking the fundamental rule of the GAA. Without any evidence whatsoever.

Do you reckon Daly is taking this job for his love of Kilmacud Crokes?

Bonniedog · 22-11-2017 4:27pm

elefant wrote: »

Do you reckon Daly is taking this job for his love of Kilmacud Crokes?

Perhaps you should read my last post and the one with the part in bold.

Sweet Science · 22-11-2017 4:30pm

Shame he didnt have an interest in managing his own club next year

Strange he would make the commute to Dublin 3 or 4 times a week instead

Stoner · 22-11-2017 4:58pm

Bonniedog wrote:

So long as you think it is amusing that someone accuses players of breaking the fundamental rule of the GAA. Without any evidence whatsoever.

I've heard a rumour about one player about 7 or 8 years ago looking for money to switch. It didn't end well for them. That's the only time I ever heard of it anywhere in the 32 counties (for players). Again it was a rumour

Outside of Ireland it's a different story.

Stationmaster · 22-11-2017 5:05pm

A round trip from Kilmihil to Kilmacud is approx 540 km's so Daly could legitimately receive €450 per session for a lot of the sessions based on civil service mileage rates (depending on size of car engine, mileage done during the year etc). That would be tax free and above board. I would imagine he would also be entitled to a subsistence amount also!

Bonniedog · 22-11-2017 5:15pm

Stoner wrote: »

I've heard a rumour about one player about 7 or 8 years ago looking for money to switch. It didn't end well for them. That's the only time I ever heard of it anywhere in the 32 counties (for players). Again it was a rumour

Outside of Ireland it's a different story.

Only ever heard of one club here offering serious -non cash - incentives to entice players from other counties. Caused a lot of internal dissatisfaction, and the club in question is still nowhere near being a "top club."

Paying players could only lead to similar. If you and I were on same team and I heard that you were getting paid and I wasn't, the consequences are pretty obvious! Nor would other club members tolerate such a situation.

Stoner · 22-11-2017 5:23pm

Bonniedog wrote:

If you and I were on same team

You'd be on the bench!

Davys Fits · 22-11-2017 6:45pm

willietherock wrote: »

Does Daly have a proper job?

Why does it matter and whats a proper job?

Bonniedog · 22-11-2017 6:58pm

Stoner wrote: »

You'd be on the bench!

It was always my best position!

TrueGael · 22-11-2017 11:23pm

This perfectly illustrates why Dublin's funding from Croke Park is absurd and distorts what the GAA is supposed to be about.

People attack this by saying 'you are taking away from kids', no the kids should get all the funding possible - not at the expense of kids elsewhere.

The AIG Money and the Money these Superclubs can obviously generate (more than half the counties could possibly hope to make) should go to developing young players and not paying massive 'expenses' in an 'amateur' sport.

If you go down the road paying outside club managers such riches, then it will eventually alienates everyone who puts in time and effort for nothing

Indeed at County level the only paid individuals should be the doctors and physios because once you go beyond that you create professionalism and thus a Juggernaut as one team can afford to assemble a far bigger and more comprehensive backroom blowing everyone else away

LooseCannonUF · 22-11-2017 11:58pm

TrueGael wrote: »

This perfectly illustrates why Dublin's funding from Croke Park is absurd and distorts what the GAA is supposed to be about.

People attack this by saying 'you are taking away from kids', no the kids should get all the funding possible - not at the expense of kids elsewhere.

The AIG Money and the Money these Superclubs can obviously generate (more than half the counties could possibly hope to make) should go to developing young players and not paying massive 'expenses' in an 'amateur' sport.

If you go down the road paying outside club managers such riches, then it will eventually alienates everyone who puts in time and effort for nothing

Indeed at County level the only paid individuals should be the doctors and physios because once you go beyond that you create professionalism and thus a Juggernaut as one team can afford to assemble a far bigger and more comprehensive backroom blowing everyone else away

Even in counties like Offaly, managers are getting paid top dollar. I’d say only two or three managers take/took no money, at all, and that’s between both codes.

TrueGael · 23-11-2017 12:15am

Yes they do get paid elsewhere but nowhere near the scale in Dublin, bit like comparing Celtic to PSG on a financial scale. Also you have players being lured by jobs to join their clubs which is totally against what the GAA is about

Don't get me wrong outside managers are wrong - full stop but to clear this issue it has to be cleansed at the top (Dublin). Otherwise it filters elsewhere on a smaller scale and erodes the GAA's ideals more and more as each year passes

ProudDUB · 23-11-2017 12:34am

TrueGael wrote: »

Yes they do get paid elsewhere but nowhere near the scale in Dublin, bit like comparing Celtic to PSG on a financial scale. Also you have players being lured by jobs to join their clubs which is totally against what the GAA is about

Don't get me wrong outside managers are wrong - full stop but to clear this issue it has to be cleansed at the top (Dublin). Otherwise it filters elsewhere on a smaller scale and erodes the GAA's ideals more and more as each year passes

Dublin have won how many club hurling All Irelands again?

But they are the poster child for gun for hire paid managers at club level?

I see a slight flaw in your logic there, but don let it stop you from having yet another anti Dublin rant. :rolleyes:

elefant · 23-11-2017 8:12am

threeball wrote: »

Dublin Gaa from Club to county is swamped in money. It has been for years. Only difference here is that hes so high profile. But the big clubs have been paying players and managers for years. It happens down the country but its a different level in Dublin.

Bonniedog wrote: »

That is an outrageous allegation.

Bonniedog wrote: »

So long as you think it is amusing that someone accuses players of breaking the fundamental rule of the GAA. Without any evidence whatsoever.

You seem very upset at the suggestion of players being paid.

But why is paying players breaking a fundamental rule of the GAA, but paying managers isn't? Is it an outrageous allegation that Anthony Daly might not be taking this management role out of the goodness of his heart?

There are so many grey areas in the GAA now it's hard to know what to be outraged about anymore.

Soulsun · 23-11-2017 8:20am

LMK wrote: »

I find Anthony Dalys new position as Kilmacud Crokes Hurling manager strange or weird or something unsettling maybe... compared to what the majority of GAA clubs can aspire to.. or maybe would want to aspire to.. it just seems at odds with what the GAA is about..
I know he's a professional pundit in and around hurling ect and seems a sound man.. and Dublin is a different proposition when it comes to GAA and the parish thing.. but like WTF!

Well done Anto
Great selection by crokes
You will get some begrudgers like brolly and spillane on this matter but they never mention their own fees they are earning from rte on the back of their gaa careers

There is now a split in Dublin Gaa between the working class gaa clubs and the more well to do...

Gael85 · 23-11-2017 9:26am

Soulsun wrote: »

Well done Anto
Great selection by crokes
You will get some begrudgers like brolly and spillane on this matter but they never mention their own fees they are earning from rte on the back of their gaa careers

There is now a split in Dublin gas between the working class gaa clubs and the more well to do...

Airtricity and Bord Gais?

Soulsun · 23-11-2017 9:34am

Gael85 wrote: »

Airtricity and Bord Gais?

On the ball this morning...

jmayo · 23-11-2017 11:45am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Dublin have won how many club hurling All Irelands again?

That's the reason.
Crokes are gearing up to try put Cuala back in their box and take back the Dublin title.

TrueGael · 23-11-2017 4:11pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Dublin have won how many club hurling All Irelands again?

But they are the poster child for gun for hire paid managers at club level?

I see a slight flaw in your logic there, but don let it stop you from having yet another anti Dublin rant. :rolleyes:

How many Football club AI's have they won in the last 10-15 years? Exactly

How many clubs (counties even) can afford to pay an outsider €500+ per training session??? Exactly

Take away the millions in funding and let the clubs and sponsors fund the youth development and stop the madness of money being pissed down the drain at 'genius' managers and return to core values

DuffleBag · 24-11-2017 12:20am

Lads tbh, i doubt the money Anto is getting is from the county board. I imagine theres a group of well to do Crokes businessmen coughing up the dough for this one.

Bonniedog · 24-11-2017 12:36am

TrueGael wrote: »

How many Football club AI's have they won in the last 10-15 years? Exactly

How many clubs (counties even) can afford to pay an outsider €500+ per training session??? Exactly

Take away the millions in funding and let the clubs and sponsors fund the youth development and stop the madness of money being pissed down the drain at 'genius' managers and return to core values

Well, one thing you cannot fault Crokes on, and I am not a fan!, is getting kids to play. They have huge numbers playing in a part of Dublin where GAA was almost non-existent 30 years ago.

Same as always, some people prefer to begrudge and do nothing rather than recognise dynamism and development.

Sheep breeder · 24-11-2017 1:09am

Crokes were a big club 25 years ago with financial clout and had a lot of players from outside Dublin playing on their senior football team back then and looked after them with work.

Sheep breeder · 24-11-2017 1:12am

Stationmaster wrote: »

A round trip from Kilmihil to Kilmacud is approx 540 km's so Daly could legitimately receive €450 per session for a lot of the sessions based on civil service mileage rates (depending on size of car engine, mileage done during the year etc). That would be tax free and above board. I would imagine he would also be entitled to a subsistence amount also!

Is Daly becoming a civil servant by joining crokes. After 4K he would be on reduced rates and how would it be tax free if he was being paid to travel.

Stationmaster · 24-11-2017 11:27am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Is Daly becoming a civil servant by joining crokes. After 4K he would be on reduced rates and how would it be tax free if he was being paid to travel.

I didn't want to go into too much detail and bore people but yes, you are correct, the rate would drop after 4000km. I was merely making the point that the amounts stated could be legitimately paid by Crokes to Daly and all would be above board. Revenue accept expenses up to a max of their recommended civil service rates as tax free and this applies to the Gaa also as confirmed by Revenue.

TrueGael · 24-11-2017 1:36pm

DuffleBag wrote: »

Lads tbh, i doubt the money Anto is getting is from the county board. I imagine theres a group of well to do Crokes businessmen coughing up the dough for this one.

Who said it was the County Board paying him??

Obviously it's Kilmacud , what this whole episode shows is the waste of funding Dublin to the gills when these superclubs could quite clearly fund the vast tranche of costs of the underage system and allow the GAA allocate limited resources to those who actually need it rather than funding a Juggernaut

DuffleBag · 24-11-2017 9:11pm

TrueGael wrote: »

Who said it was the County Board paying him??

Obviously it's Kilmacud , what this whole episode shows is the waste of funding Dublin to the gills when these superclubs could quite clearly fund the vast tranche of costs of the underage system and allow the GAA allocate limited resources to those who actually need it rather than funding a Juggernaut

I meant county board as in the money Dublin GAA are getting that is drip fed to the clubs. Daly's money is not from that pot i would imagine.

Some fellas above were complaining about the money dublin clubs get to pay for these managers etc etc. I think those that liked my post got what i was saying.

downthemiddle · 25-11-2017 12:11am

Bonniedog wrote: »

That is an outrageous allegation.

You obviously haven't heard some of the comments directed at Colin Parkinson about his time at Parnells. There have been players paid in Dublin club football for more than 25 years. There was a famous case when a player had to repay part of his fee when he decided to transfer back to his home club.

Bonniedog · 25-11-2017 12:19am

Cluxton refused to play senior for Parnells over the shennagains with the Laois players. they weren't paid in cash by the way. Parnells are universally loathed in Dublin and they haven't managed to progress beyond quarter finals for all their efforts. surely if any player in that club was going to be paid it would be Cluxton, and he is not.

downthemiddle · 25-11-2017 12:25am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Cluxton refused to play senior for Parnells over the shennagains with the Laois players. they weren't paid in cash by the way. Parnells are universally loathed in Dublin and they haven't managed to progress beyond quarter finals for all their efforts. surely if any player in that club was going to be paid it would be Cluxton, and he is not.

Clubs don't pay their own.

Bonniedog · 25-11-2017 12:43am

downthemiddle wrote: »

Clubs don't pay their own.

What sort of eijit would play on the same team as someone who was getting paid when they are not?

Parnells would have been better off bribing refs than enticing Wooly and the rest. not good enough to play at upper end of Dublin SFC. Don't think he ever got over that :-)

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-11-2017 12:53am

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