RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

Strazdas · 22-11-2017 01:12AM

20Cent wrote: »

Their fb page has lists of successful convictions of people they caught.
They seem to know what they are doing.

A recent post on a British discussion forum (where nearly everyone has condemned the vigilantes as lowlifes in a general discussion about them) :

Paedophile hunters have recently targeted a man with learning disabilities who was on a an 18+ website , they contacted him and they told him that they were 15 and this guy still went there, now his face all over Facebook, people have gone to his work filming him, telling him that he was gonna "get a bullet in the head". All he could do was stand there shaking saying "Am I going to lose my job". The whole episode has been utterly disgusting, if he is a paedo contact the police and leave it at that.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 01:13AM

PARlance wrote: »

I'm usually not a paedophile your honour.

I'm afraid you're missing the point.

gozunda · 22-11-2017 01:15AM

Strazdas wrote: »

There have been several suicides associated with this phenomenon (which hasn't dissuaded the vigilantes in the slightest from continuing with their 'activities'). The idea that these lowlifes are trying to help society is laughable.

I mentioned that well known vigilante guy Stinson Hunter further up. His own family members have completed disowned him, so disgusted with him are they and it was one of them who informed the press about his criminal past.

The 'suicides' you refer to include all perps being caught and not just those outed by anti predator groups. It would be dishonest to suggest that those who commit suicide do it just because they were caught or by one particular group or method.

It would appear that sexual predators sometimes chose suicide as a way out rather than face the full consequences and the fallout of their actions.

And yes you continue beating the entire panoply of all anti predator groups using one particular individual. Well that's great - but it does not make for any argument which you can direct at everyone.

20Cent · 22-11-2017 01:17AM

Strazdas wrote: »

A recent post on a British discussion forum (where nearly everyone has condemned the vigilantes as lowlifes in a general discussion about them) :

Paedophile hunters have recently targeted a man with learning disabilities who was on a an 18+ website , they contacted him and they told him that they were 15 and this guy still went there, now his face all over Facebook, people have gone to his work filming him, telling him that he was gonna "get a bullet in the head". All he could do was stand there shaking saying "Am I going to lose my job". The whole episode has been utterly disgusting, if he is a paedo contact the police and leave it at that.

Not saying that it can't be abused or go wrong but these guys who caught the rte fella seem to e doing it right.

Chrongen · 22-11-2017 01:18AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

If arrested the police don't relase details of suspected paedophiles.
If confronted by this group with evidence that has no connection to me I could easily prove my innocence.
The only problem is if you are guilty.This lad was caught red handed after months of contact.
You're question really has no relevance to what I said.

Don't ever attempt to study even the most basic rudiments of the law.

Chrongen · 22-11-2017 01:21AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

As was the filthy paedo who thought he was getting a 13yo into bed with him
Nice to see where your insults land,at the feet of the group but not at the paedo.
Sick scummy attitude.

Why do you keep deflecting away from the tactics of the gang which is what I'm talking about. You can't counter that their tactics are dangerous so you just default back to the "paedo bad, ergo all bets off"

20Cent · 22-11-2017 01:22AM

kaymin wrote: »

For sure his fake FB profile does not bode well for him. If I was judge and jury I'd still like to know more about what other chats he's been having, whether he was grooming others and how he befriended the decoy. What's the chances of a paedo connecting with a decoy themselves? - slim I'd have thought.

Why slim?
Thats literally what pedos do.
Make contact with underage people.

kaymin · 22-11-2017 01:23AM

20Cent wrote: »

Why slim?
Thats literally what pedos do.
Make contact with underage people.

Because the number of non-decoy profiles that a paedo might choose from far exceeds the number of decoy profiles.

end of the road · 22-11-2017 01:24AM

20Cent wrote: »

Very snobby attitude.

ah i'm not so sure. i think we can safely say that his post is rather accurate.

20Cent wrote: »

They seem to be having a lot of success.

it's over exaggerated, the police will ultimately do most of the work.

gozunda wrote: »

The 'suicides' you refer to include all perps being caught and not just those outed by anti predator groups. It would be dishonest to suggest that those who commit suicide do it just because they were caught or by one particular group or method.

It would appear that sexual predators sometimes chose suicide as a way out rather than face the full consequences and the fallout of their actions.

And yes you continue beating the entire panoply of all anti predator groups using one particular individual. Well that's great - but it does not make for any argument which you can direct at everyone.

there is only 1 anti-predator group. that is the police.

20Cent · 22-11-2017 01:27AM

end of the road wrote: »

ah i'm not so sure. i think we can safely say that his post is rather accurate.

it's over exaggerated, the police will ultimately do most of the work.

there is only 1 anti-predator group. that is the police.

They hand them.over to the police who do most of the work yes. No one saying otherwise.

20Cent · 22-11-2017 01:29AM

kaymin wrote: »

Because the number of non-decoy profiles that a paedo might choose from far exceeds the number of decoy profiles.

The police have had a lot if success with decoys as well. I'D imagine most people they approach tell them to get list or block them. A decoy would reply and interact.

PARlance · 22-11-2017 01:30AM

20Cent wrote: »

The police have had a lot if success with decoys as well. I'D imagine most people they approach tell them to get list or block them. A decoy would reply and interact.

He was chatting to 3 other of the groups decoys.

gozunda · 22-11-2017 01:34AM

Chrongen wrote: »

So then why was he granted bail by a judge? Why is ANYONE granted bail by a judge? If once you are charged with a crime you should be locked up until trial and the concept of bail should be abolished, right?

Because unfortunately the current bail system was never designed to deal with the devious and secretive behaviour of predatory paedophiles and the impact it has on their victims - children. It is a serious problem - one which has not been dealt with to date

Some examples:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/03/paedophile-tried-to-meet-boy-13-to-abuse-him-while-on-bail-for-grooming-a-girl-6973528/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/664015/Scandal-rapists-on-run-getting-bail-paedophiles-convicted-criminals-Ministry-of-Justice

kaymin · 22-11-2017 01:35AM

PARlance wrote: »

He was chatting to 3 other of the groups decoys.

Well if that's the case I'd be fairly certain the vigilante group targeted him which casts doubt on the assertion of others that it's the paedo that drives the interactions.

PARlance · 22-11-2017 01:39AM

Chrongen wrote: »

Here's a question for you. Would you go online and announce the identity and address of a "suspected" sex-offender in the full knowledge that your actions could lead to that "suspected" offender's murder?
Not only that but would you do so in the full knowledge that your actions could set you personally up for prosecution?

Well, I don't share my birthday but I'll play along.

No, unless proven, I would not share.

To expand: I wouldn't be in the position, but if I was in such a group and it was proven beyond any doubt that someone was a sex offender, and I was certain that exposing them wouldn't impede any investigations and if I was convinced there was a very good reason for making it public... then share away. I would put the safety of kids ahead of a paedophiles any day.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 01:39AM

Chrongen wrote: »

Why do you keep deflecting away from the tactics of the gang which is what I'm talking about. You can't counter that their tactics are dangerous so you just default back to the "paedo bad, ergo all bets off"

That comment was pointing out you insulted the gang.
You havent once insulted the paedo.
Sick scummy behaviour.

PARlance · 22-11-2017 01:41AM

kaymin wrote: »

Well if that's the case I'd be fairly certain the vigilante group targeted him which casts doubt on the assertion of others that it's the paedo that drives the interactions.

Fairly certain how?

gozunda · 22-11-2017 01:44AM

kaymin wrote: »

Judging by the opinions expressed on this thread, it seems that many would be happy for the guy to be hung drawn and quartered based on the evidence seen to date. What the vigilante group did could constitute entrapment (and provide the guy with a defence) and this needs to be teased out in a court of law. However, many on this thread don't want to hear this and indeed insinuate paedo sympathies / tendencies should anyone mention 'innocent until proven guilty' or the 'need to follow due process'. They've made up their mind already and would condemn him now if they had the chance - that's mob justice.

Complete Billox

gozunda · 22-11-2017 02:00AM

end of the road wrote: »

that figure is alleged only. even then there are a huge amount of factors to take into account.

There is nothing "alledged" about it. The released figures are as follows - and I quote

Figures obtained by the BBC show an increase in the number of cases in which evidence gathered by paedophile hunters is being used.

More than 44% (114 out of 259) cases of the crime of meeting a child following sexual grooming used this evidence in 2016, compared with 20 out of 176 cases in 2014 (11.3%).

The evidence collected is being used and in such cases the rate of convictios has increased.

Don't like that? Tough...

KKkitty · 22-11-2017 02:04AM

Can we not just be glad that so what a decoy was used and all that. That could have been your daughter,niece or daughter's friend. These vigilante groups have the best of intentions but just because they get mouthy with the paedophiles some here don't like it. Until the police/Gardaí come to arrest these scum these vigilantes have to make sure that the accused pretty much stays in the one place. I'd rather watch these scum being caught by decoys on Facebook than hear that a teenager was raped by one of these so called human beings.

gozunda · 22-11-2017 02:05AM

Chrongen wrote: »

You and others are deliberately choosing to avoid the legitimate problem that people have with the tactics of these groups and instead choosing to shout louder and louder about anything and everything else if it helps you sidestep a logical debate and it's getting tiresome.

I disagree. Unfortunately there has been little if any 'logical' debate from the anti 'predator groups' posters on here. Much of it has been unsupported opinion and bile imo. You are correct on one point however the shouting is getting tiresome.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 02:05AM

KKkitty wrote: »

Can we not just be glad that so what a decoy was used and all that. That could have been your daughter,niece or daughter's friend. These vigilante groups have the best of intentions but just because they get mouthy with the paedophiles some here don't like it. Until the police/Gardaí come to arrest these scum these vigilantes have to make sure that the accused pretty much stays in the one place. I'd rather watch these scum being caught by decoys on Facebook than hear that a teenager was raped by one of these so called human beings.

Go away with your sensible opinions.:)

Strazdas · 22-11-2017 02:16AM

gozunda wrote: »

The 'suicides' you refer to include all perps being caught and not just those outed by anti predator groups. It would be dishonest to suggest that those who commit suicide do it just because they were caught or by one particular group or method.

It would appear that sexual predators sometimes chose suicide as a way out rather than face the full consequences and the fallout of their actions.

And yes you continue beating the entire panoply of all anti predator groups using one particular individual. Well that's great - but it does not make for any argument which you can direct at everyone.

The suicides have a catastrophic effect on the family and friends of the suspect. What that scumbag Stinson was challenged on the suicide of the man he outed (a man who had a wife and young child), his reply was along the lines of "Nothing to do with me, guv". There you have it : no empathy, no remorse, no feelings of nagging self doubt.....and yet these creeps say they are trying to help children and society.

As for 'one particular individual', another contributor to this thread brought up the recent case of a man in Essex who had been murdered by paedophile hunters during a confrontation (and it turned out he wasn't even a pervert).

end of the road · 22-11-2017 02:19AM

gozunda wrote: »

There is nothing "alledged" about it. The released figures are as follows - and I quote

The evidence collected is being used and in such cases the rate of convictios has increased.

Don't like that? Tough...

i don't have to like it or not like it. the convictions are mostly down to the police. these groups have only a small effect and any convictions that contain evidence got by them are mostly co-incidents.

KKkitty wrote: »

Can we not just be glad that so what a decoy was used and all that. That could have been your daughter,niece or daughter's friend. These vigilante groups have the best of intentions but just because they get mouthy with the paedophiles some here don't like it. Until the police/Gardaí come to arrest these scum these vigilantes have to make sure that the accused pretty much stays in the one place. I'd rather watch these scum being caught by decoys on Facebook than hear that a teenager was raped by one of these so called human beings.

the thing is the evidence mostly shows that actually these groups don't have the best of intentions.
the whole situation including all relevant aspects is a worthy discussion as there is a lot to talk about.

gozunda · 22-11-2017 02:25AM

Strazdas wrote: »

The suicides have a catastrophic effect on the family and friends of the suspect. What that scumbag Stinson was challenged on the suicide of the man he outed (a man who had a wife and young child), his reply was along the lines of "Nothing to do with me, guv". There you have it : no empathy, no remorse, no feelings of nagging self doubt.....and yet these creeps say they are trying to help children and society.

As for 'one particular individual', another contributor to this thread brought up the recent case of a man in Essex who had been murdered by paedophile hunters during a confrontation (and it turned out he wasn't even a pervert).

Repeat- the suicides refer to all paedophiles regardless of HOW they are caught. Do you understand that? Some paedophiles commit suicide because they chose to kill themselves rather than deal with the consequences of their actions.

Again outliers do not make your case no matter how much you may wish it to...

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 02:26AM

end of the road wrote: »

i don't have to like it or not like it. the convictions are mostly down to the police. these groups have only a small effect and any convictions that contain evidence got by them are mostly co-incidents.

the thing is the evidence mostly shows that actually these groups don't have the best of intentions.
the whole situation including all relevant aspects is a worthy discussion as there is a lot to talk about.

Proof of this evidence?

end of the road · 22-11-2017 02:28AM

JenovaProject wrote: »

Proof of this evidence?

already provided in the thread. plenty of it.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 02:29AM

Strazdas wrote: »

The suicides have a catastrophic effect on the family and friends of the suspect. What that scumbag Stinson was challenged on the suicide of the man he outed (a man who had a wife and young child), his reply was along the lines of "Nothing to do with me, guv". There you have it : no empathy, no remorse, no feelings of nagging self doubt.....and yet these creeps say they are trying to help children and society.

As for 'one particular individual', another contributor to this thread brought up the recent case of a man in Essex who had been murdered by paedophile hunters during a confrontation (and it turned out he wasn't even a pervert).

Id wager the fact that their nearest and dearest are a paedo have a catastrophic effect on innocent family and friends.
I doubt many innocent people commit suicide on the back of being outed by these vigilante groups.
If you have any evidence to suggest all these innocent people accused by vigilantes are committing suicide id suggest you provide it.

One swallow does not make a summer.

JenovaProject · 22-11-2017 02:30AM

end of the road wrote: »

already provided in the thread. plenty of it.

Humour me...I havent seen it.

gozunda · 22-11-2017 02:31AM

end of the road wrote: »

i don't have to like it or not like it. the convictions are mostly down to the police. these groups have only a small effect and any convictions that contain evidence got by them are mostly co-incidents.

44% is a small effect? Really? The convictions are actually handed out by the courts if you wish to get pedantic.

end of the road wrote: »

the thing is the evidence mostly shows that actually these groups don't have the best of intentions.
the whole situation including all relevant aspects is a worthy discussion as there is a lot to talk about.

I disagree - I don't believe the 'evidence' you mentioned (unreferenced) does agree with your assertions

RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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