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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

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  • #1022
    JenovaProject
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭JenovaProject


    buckwheat wrote: »
    Are you mentally ill? I mean Jesus Christ

    If it wasn't so fcuking tragic,it would be funny.


  • #1023
    20Cent
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Judging by the opinions expressed on this thread, it seems that many would be happy for the guy to be hung drawn and quartered based on the evidence seen to date. What the vigilante group did could constitute entrapment (and provide the guy with a defence) and this needs to be teased out in a court of law. However, many on this thread don't want to hear this and indeed insinuate paedo sympathies / tendencies should anyone mention 'innocent until proven guilty' or the 'need to follow due process'. They've made up their mind already and would condemn him now if they had the chance - that's mob justice.

    So you are all about innocent until proven guilty for the pedo but posters in this thread want the guy killed :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #1024
    Chrongen
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    JenovaProject wrote: »
    They make the video because then the community he lives in know what he's all about.
    If they left it to the police he could be released on bail and back living next door to you and you'd be none the wiser.
    So yeh I'm not bothered by the video.
    I'm delighted a paedo has been exposed.

    If you were arrested on suspicion of paedophilia would you be ok with your name and address being plastered all over the internet? After all you would have nothing to hide since you are innocent until proven guilty right? So you should have absolutely no objections to your details and those of your wife and parents and children and siblings being made public, yes?


  • #1025
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,082 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Cushie Butterfield wrote: »
    They usually shy away from the cameras for reasons best known to themselves apart from the area ‘leaders’. However here’s a link to a video made by the guy who did most of the talkng in the recent Leeds incident involving Creaven:

    https://www.facebook.com/LeedsExposurePage/videos/vb.1680226615610597/1812730169026907/?type=2&theater

    Wouldn't invite him around for a cuppa tea but I would certainly buy him a pint for every paedophile he helps catch.


  • #1026
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    buckwheat wrote: »
    Are you mentally ill? I mean Jesus Christ

    You should do a little research - try this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html


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  • #1027
    buckwheat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭buckwheat


    kaymin wrote: »
    I'm referring to the desire of many on this thread that seem to be aghast at those promoting the innocent until proven guilty ideal and the need for due legal process.

    Not a single person has even suggested that. Theres no mob or vigilantism here. They handed the bloke straight over to the police where he will receive his due process and fair trial (and rightly so). That my friend is the exact ****ing opposite of vigilantism. Vigilantes don't hand criminals along with evidence to the police ffs


  • #1028
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,082 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    kaymin wrote: »
    Judging by the opinions expressed on this thread, it seems that many would be happy for the guy to be hung drawn and quartered based on the evidence seen to date. What the vigilante group did could constitute entrapment (and provide the guy with a defence) and this needs to be teased out in a court of law. However, many on this thread don't want to hear this and indeed insinuate paedo sympathies / tendencies should anyone mention 'innocent until proven guilty' or the 'need to follow due process'. They've made up their mind already and would condemn him now if they had the chance - that's mob justice.

    No, most people on this thread and more importantly, the groups catching these paedophiles, know that the have to let the sickos reach out to them to avoid claims of entrapment. Once this is done, convictions follow*.

    *In the UK anyway. We don't really know how Irish Courts will deal with such cases, hopefully in the same manner.

    The only thing I would say is that Live Feeds are extremely dangerous. They shouldn't do them, record it and releasing it later would be a much better avenue to go down.


  • #1029
    Chrongen
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    PARlance wrote: »
    What are you referring to when you say mob justice?


    PARlance, so this gang didn't administer any extra-judicial punishment in the frontier justice sense but people are referring to mob justice in general. The vigilante gang don't need to lynch him they just need to live stream a video and their rabble-rousing tactics will spawn a tsunami of mobs who want to lynch this guy. They were probably licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws with glee at the prospect.


  • #1030
    JenovaProject
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    If you were arrested on suspicion of paedophilia would you be ok with your name and address being plastered all over the internet? After all you would have nothing to hide since you are innocent until proven guilty right? So you should have absolutely no objections to your details and those of your wife and parents and children and siblings being made public, yes?

    If arrested the police don't relase details of suspected paedophiles.
    If confronted by this group with evidence that has no connection to me I could easily prove my innocence.
    The only problem is if you are guilty.This lad was caught red handed after months of contact.
    You're question really has no relevance to what I said.


  • #1031
    kaymin
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    20Cent wrote: »
    So you are all about innocent until proven guilty for the pedo but posters in this thread want the guy killed :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    It's a figure of speech.


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  • #1032
    buckwheat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭buckwheat


    kaymin wrote: »
    You should do a little research - try this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

    I am aware that nobody can help who they are attracted to. I mean the bit where you have convinced yourself that these paedophiles would not have acted if they were not tempted by the sting.


  • #1033
    Strazdas
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    I asked about this group in Leeds, from this video, in this case. You said they're all unemployed chavs with criminal records, just waiting on your sources for that.....

    They say themselves they are talking to pervs online 24/7. Nothing to do with their criminal records and being completely unemployable I presume?

    The vigilante leaders we've seen on video (Stinson, our friend at the weekend and others) appear to be inarticulate, aggressive, foul mouthed chavs barely capable of stringing a sentence together (and these are their leaders(!))


  • #1034
    JenovaProject
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    . They were probably licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws with glee at the prospect.

    As was the filthy paedo who thought he was getting a 13yo into bed with him
    Nice to see where your insults land,at the feet of the group but not at the paedo.
    Sick scummy attitude.


  • #1035
    kaymin
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    buckwheat wrote: »
    I am aware that nobody can help who they are attracted to. I mean the bit where you have convinced yourself that these paedophiles would not have acted if they were not tempted by the sting.

    Except I am not convinced and have not said so. You should read my post more carefully


  • #1036
    20Cent
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    They say themselves they are talking to pervs online 24/7. Nothing to do with their criminal records and being completely unemployable I presume?

    The vigilante leaders we've seen on video (Stinson, our friend at the weekend and others) appear to be inarticulate, aggressive, foul mouthed chavs barely capable of stringing a sentence together (and these are their leaders(!))

    Very snobby attitude.
    They seem to be having a lot of success.


  • #1037
    buckwheat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭buckwheat


    kaymin wrote: »
    Except I am not convinced and have not said so. You should read my post more carefully

    "vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing"

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:


  • #1038
    kaymin
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    PARlance wrote: »
    No, most people on this thread and more importantly, the groups catching these paedophiles, know that the have to let the sickos reach out to them to avoid claims of entrapment. Once this is done, convictions follow*.

    I have my doubts that it was the guy that initiated contact with the vigilante group decoy. In any case we have only the word of the vigilante group themselves as the chat transcripts haven't been made public. And I would not trust them for a second.


  • #1039
    PARlance
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    Chrongen wrote: »
    PARlance, so this gang didn't administer any extra-judicial punishment in the frontier justice sense but people are referring to mob justice in general. The vigilante gang don't need to lynch him they just need to live stream a video and their rabble-rousing tactics will spawn a tsunami of mobs who want to lynch this guy. They were probably licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws with glee at the prospect.

    Licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws... they might be rough around the edges but they're not a group of paedophiles.

    I'm ok with exposing paedophiles as much as possible. They greater the audience, the better. If that puts them in danger, then I'll live with that if puts less children in danger.

    I don't condone any violence towards them, absolutely not. Everyone knowing what they are should be a priority and enough punishment.


  • #1040
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    buckwheat wrote: »
    "vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing"

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



    :rolleyes:

    Note the word 'usually'


  • #1041
    20Cent
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    kaymin wrote: »
    I have my doubts that it was the guy that initiated contact with the vigilante group decoy. In any case we have only the word of the vigilante group themselves as the chat transcripts haven't been made public. And I would not trust them for a second.

    Their fb page has lists of successful convictions of people they caught.
    They seem to know what they are doing.


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  • #1042
    Strazdas
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Very snobby attitude.
    They seem to be having a lot of success.

    Snobby about this crowd? Yes.

    I'd say many people in their own communities despise them and imagine being related to a self appointed "paedophile vigilante", the mind boggles.


  • #1043
    Chrongen
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    buckwheat wrote: »
    Not a single person has even suggested that. Theres no mob or vigilantism here. They handed the bloke straight over to the police where he will receive his due process and fair trial (and rightly so). That my friend is the exact ****ing opposite of vigilantism. Vigilantes don't hand criminals along with evidence to the police ffs

    You and others are deliberately choosing to avoid the legitimate problem that people have with the tactics of these groups and instead choosing to shout louder and louder about anything and everything else if it helps you sidestep a logical debate and it's getting tiresome.


  • #1044
    20Cent
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    Snobby about this crowd? Yes.

    I'd say many people in their own communities despise them and imagine being related to a self appointed "paedophile vigilante", the mind boggles.

    You'd say.

    As in totally made up.


  • #1045
    PARlance
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    kaymin wrote: »
    I have my doubts that it was the guy that initiated contact with the vigilante group decoy. In any case we have only the word of the vigilante group themselves as the chat transcripts haven't been made public. And I would not trust them for a second.

    I'm sure someone set up his fake facebook profile too and added 50+ teenage girls to it.

    Fwiw, while the may be rough around the edges I think they're very careful and savy enough to let the paedophile make first contact as they know they may jeopardise things if not. I'm fairly sure he admitted to making first contact on the video but not 100%.


  • #1046
    kaymin
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Their fb page has lists of successful convictions of people they caught.
    They seem to know what they are doing.

    Perhaps - it will be interesting to see how the courts play it out.


  • #1047
    Chrongen
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    PARlance wrote: »
    Licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws... they might be rough around the edges but they're not a group of paedophiles.

    I'm ok with exposing paedophiles as much as possible. They greater the audience, the better. If that puts them in danger, then I'll live with that if puts less children in danger.

    I don't condone any violence towards them, absolutely not. Everyone knowing what they are should be a priority and enough punishment.


    Here's a question for you. Would you go online and announce the identity and address of a "suspected" sex-offender in the full knowledge that your actions could lead to that "suspected" offender's murder?
    Not only that but would you do so in the full knowledge that your actions could set you personally up for prosecution?


  • #1048
    PARlance
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Note the word 'usually'

    I'm usually not a paedophile your honour.


  • #1049
    20Cent
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    kaymin wrote: »
    Perhaps - it will be interesting to see how the courts play it out.

    That awaits to be seen, but it does indicate they are doing it in a manner resulting in convictions.


  • #1050
    Mam of 4
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    PARlance wrote: »
    I'm sure someone set up his fake facebook profile too and added 50+ teenage girls to it.

    Fwiw, while the may be rough around the edges I think they're very careful and savy enough to let the paedophile make first contact as they know they may jeopardise things if not. I'm fairly sure he admitted to making first contact on the video but not 100%.

    I agree.
    I think that they are not going to take a risk in trying to entrap anyone , or make the first move , especially when their intention is to give the police a transcript/chat log , of all the conversations also .


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  • #1051
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    PARlance wrote: »
    I'm sure someone set up his fake facebook profile too and added 50+ teenage girls to it.

    Fwiw, while the may be rough around the edges I think they're very careful and savy enough to let the paedophile make first contact as they know they may jeopardise things if not. I'm fairly sure he admitted to making first contact on the video but not 100%.

    For sure his fake FB profile does not bode well for him. If I was judge and jury I'd still like to know more about what other chats he's been having, whether he was grooming others and how he befriended the decoy. What's the chances of a paedo connecting with a decoy themselves? - slim I'd have thought.


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