kaymin wrote: » I have my doubts that it was the guy that initiated contact with the vigilante group decoy. In any case we have only the word of the vigilante group themselves as the chat transcripts haven't been made public. And I would not trust them for a second.
Strazdas wrote: » Snobby about this crowd? Yes. I'd say many people in their own communities despise them and imagine being related to a self appointed "paedophile vigilante", the mind boggles.
buckwheat wrote: » Not a single person has even suggested that. Theres no mob or vigilantism here. They handed the bloke straight over to the police where he will receive his due process and fair trial (and rightly so). That my friend is the exact ****ing opposite of vigilantism. Vigilantes don't hand criminals along with evidence to the police ffs
20Cent wrote: » Very snobby attitude. They seem to be having a lot of success.
buckwheat wrote: » "vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Chrongen wrote: » PARlance, so this gang didn't administer any extra-judicial punishment in the frontier justice sense but people are referring to mob justice in general. The vigilante gang don't need to lynch him they just need to live stream a video and their rabble-rousing tactics will spawn a tsunami of mobs who want to lynch this guy. They were probably licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws with glee at the prospect.
PARlance wrote: » No, most people on this thread and more importantly, the groups catching these paedophiles, know that the have to let the sickos reach out to them to avoid claims of entrapment. Once this is done, convictions follow*.
kaymin wrote: » Except I am not convinced and have not said so. You should read my post more carefully
Strazdas wrote: » They say themselves they are talking to pervs online 24/7. Nothing to do with their criminal records and being completely unemployable I presume? The vigilante leaders we've seen on video (Stinson, our friend at the weekend and others) appear to be inarticulate, aggressive, foul mouthed chavs barely capable of stringing a sentence together (and these are their leaders(!))
buckwheat wrote: » I am aware that nobody can help who they are attracted to. I mean the bit where you have convinced yourself that these paedophiles would not have acted if they were not tempted by the sting.
Chrongen wrote: » . They were probably licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty little paws with glee at the prospect.
Omackeral wrote: » I asked about this group in Leeds, from this video, in this case. You said they're all unemployed chavs with criminal records, just waiting on your sources for that.....
kaymin wrote: » You should do a little research - try this:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html
20Cent wrote: » So you are all about innocent until proven guilty for the pedo but posters in this thread want the guy killed :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Chrongen wrote: » If you were arrested on suspicion of paedophilia would you be ok with your name and address being plastered all over the internet? After all you would have nothing to hide since you are innocent until proven guilty right? So you should have absolutely no objections to your details and those of your wife and parents and children and siblings being made public, yes?
PARlance wrote: » What are you referring to when you say mob justice?
kaymin wrote: » Judging by the opinions expressed on this thread, it seems that many would be happy for the guy to be hung drawn and quartered based on the evidence seen to date. What the vigilante group did could constitute entrapment (and provide the guy with a defence) and this needs to be teased out in a court of law. However, many on this thread don't want to hear this and indeed insinuate paedo sympathies / tendencies should anyone mention 'innocent until proven guilty' or the 'need to follow due process'. They've made up their mind already and would condemn him now if they had the chance - that's mob justice.
kaymin wrote: » I'm referring to the desire of many on this thread that seem to be aghast at those promoting the innocent until proven guilty ideal and the need for due legal process.
buckwheat wrote: » Are you mentally ill? I mean Jesus Christ
Cushie Butterfield wrote: » They usually shy away from the cameras for reasons best known to themselves apart from the area ‘leaders’. However here’s a link to a video made by the guy who did most of the talkng in the recent Leeds incident involving Creaven:https://www.facebook.com/LeedsExposurePage/videos/vb.1680226615610597/1812730169026907/?type=2&theater
JenovaProject wrote: » They make the video because then the community he lives in know what he's all about. If they left it to the police he could be released on bail and back living next door to you and you'd be none the wiser. So yeh I'm not bothered by the video. I'm delighted a paedo has been exposed.
kaymin wrote: » You didn't hear their obscenities on the video?
kaymin wrote: » Actually it makes every difference in a court of law. The genetic make-up of people varies from heterosexual, gay, bi, preference for an older partner, preference for a younger partner etc. Only one of them remains illegal and rightly so, however, that doesn't stop the natural urges. I imagine most contain the temptation, however, vigilante groups prey on their weaknesses and cause them to do things that they would usually stop themselves doing. That's entrapment and the courts will have to take it into account if that's what happened in this case.
Iseedeadpixels wrote: » Nonce :rolleyes:
Goat of Lochmarne Castle wrote: » That group are (probably?) doing society a good service but seriously, the ringleader comes across as an unhinged lunatic. His behavior in the video is very unstable, almost manic - not someone I'd be comfortable with having responsibility for enforcing the law.
