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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    You are correct. Whether I use the verb demand, invite or command, the tone and meaning is still the same.
    The gift of the Son of Man is freely offered to you, but only if you possess the Truth. He will not dwell where there is any hint of sin.
    Listen! The Truth subsists only in the Catholic Church. You must be baptised, repent of your sins, confess them fully to a priest, and receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
    The Way to the Kingdom is to be found only in the mystical Catholic Church. There is no other way.
    I have no more to say. Thank you for responding to my posts. Amen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    You are correct. Whether I use the verb demand, invite or command, the tone and meaning is still the same.
    The gift of the Son of Man is freely offered to you, but only if you possess the Truth. He will not dwell where there is any hint of sin.
    Listen! The Truth subsists only in the Catholic Church. You must be baptised, repent of your sins, confess them fully to a priest, and receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
    The Way to the Kingdom is to be found only in the mystical Catholic Church. There is no other way.
    I have no more to say. Thank you for responding to my posts. Amen.

    Not dwell where there is any hint of sin? He must be in and out of the average Catholic like a yo-yo then (assuming the state of being without a hint of sin lasts for a very short time after each visit to the confession box)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    You are correct. Whether I use the verb demand, invite or command, the tone and meaning is still the same.
    The gift of the Son of Man is freely offered to you, but only if you possess the Truth. He will not dwell where there is any hint of sin.
    Listen! The Truth subsists only in the Catholic Church. You must be baptised, repent of your sins, confess them fully to a priest, and receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
    The Way to the Kingdom is to be found only in the mystical Catholic Church. There is no other way.
    I have no more to say. Thank you for responding to my posts. Amen.
    Quick question....where in the Bible does it say all that?
    If you can quote me chapter and verse I'll believe you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    How could God be where there is a stain of sin?

    You can, confess venial sins directly to God, but mortal sins must be confessed to a priest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    Go therefore make disciples of all the nations. Baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matt. 28.19
    He who believes and is baptised will be saved. Mark16. 16
    He who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16
    Repent and be baptised, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts2:38
    For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink John 6:55
    Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I live in him. John6:56
    And He, breathed on them and said whose sins you forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained. He thus gave His apostles the power to forgive or retain sin.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Go therefore make disciples of all the nations. Baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Matt. 28.19
    He who believes and is baptised will be saved. Mark16. 16
    He who does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:16
    Repent and be baptised, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts2:38
    For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink John 6:55
    Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me, and I live in him. John6:56
    And He, breathed on them and said whose sins you forgive they are forgiven, whose sins you retain, they are retained. He thus gave His apostles the power to forgive or retain sin.

    All of which you've taken out of context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    How could God be where there is a stain of sin?
    God came down on Earth to redeem a sinful World as Jesus Christ ... had His feet washed by the tears of a prostitute (Mary Magdelene) and He indwells all Saved Christians as the Holy Spirit ... so God has no issue with being 'up close and personal' with sin in the physical realm.
    He does have a problem with sin in the spiritual realm ... and has banned the sinful/evil spirits permanently from Heaven.
    You can, confess venial sins directly to God, but mortal sins must be confessed to a priest.
    Right ... so God can only forgive so-called minor (or venial) sin ... but it takes a priest to forgive the major sins ... sounds like you are bit mixed up there, owney baloney !!!:)

    ... as Christians, we get the power to forgive all sin ... from Jesus Christ ... because He has atoned for all sin with His death ... and He wil give us eternal life by His resurrection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    How could God be where there is a stain of sin?

    Given he figured to come a reside right amongst us, I can't say I see the issue. He apparently can be where sin is.
    You can, confess venial sins directly to God, but mortal sins must be confessed to a priest.


    How one rids oneself of sin, venial or mortal isn't the issue for the conundrum you pose.

    The issue is that people are going to be sinning (and confessing) on an ongoing basis. You say God cannot reside where there is sin, therefore he must "move out" for duration between the time the person sins and before they next confess the sin (whether to God or priest).

    In out, in out, in out.

    Have you thought this one through?


    (Strange how a person can confess minor sin to God but major sin is confessed to a priest. Can God not handle hearing the bigger stuff? What is the logic/rational of this notion, do you think?)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    (Strange how a person can confess minor sin to God but major sin is confessed to a priest. Can God not handle hearing the bigger stuff? What is the logic/rational of this notion, do you think?)


    antiskeptic, because you are a searcher after the Truth, the Paraclete is teaching you all things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    antiskeptic, because you are a searcher after the Truth, the Paraclete is teaching you all things.
    Come on Owney, stop evading the question ... can God forgive sin ... or not?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    J C wrote: »
    Come on Owney, stop evading the question ... can God forgive sin ... or not?

    Only the small stuff according cross the gospel of Owen.

    He gets confused about the big sins and needs a priest :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    I said hell will be hot enough for them.

    Anyone who is not working for the Kingdom cannot be admitted to the Kingdom.

    A pope, or any other person in authority, acts against the Kingdom when he sows doubts and divisions among the faithful, so they are left in confusion, not knowing the truth anymore. They are like sheep without a shepherd. The Lord will punish them eternally on the last day, which is fast approaching.

    Assuming you believe that God has set the thermostat in hell, when you say it wll not be hot enough you are effectively questining your God's judgement and implying that he is in error,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    You all forget that Christ gave all His authority to His Bride, the Church, when He gave the keys of the Kingdom to Peter, the first Pope. All power of Heaven is deposited on Earth in His Church.
    Whatever His Church looses or binds on Earth, is loosed or binded in Heaven.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    Do not fear, J C, tatranska, antiskeptic and feargale, the only one who is lost is the one who was destined to be lost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    Do not fear, J C, tatranska, antiskeptic and feargale, the only one who is lost is the one who was destined to be lost.

    Destined? So much for free will.....!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    pauldla wrote:
    Destined? So much for free will.....!


    The evil one cannot enter the Kingdom of God.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    The evil one cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

    Indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    So now, pauldla, you understand everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Do not fear, J C, tatranska, antiskeptic and feargale, the only one who is lost is the one who was destined to be lost.

    Ooohhhh...a Calvinistic extreme RC....gets popcorn:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    You all forget that Christ gave all His authority to His Bride, the Church, when He gave the keys of the Kingdom to Peter, the first Pope. All power of Heaven is deposited on Earth in His Church.
    Whatever His Church looses or binds on Earth, is loosed or binded in Heaven.
    My Bible says that Jesus has all authority and its to Him that every knee will bow...but keep going, this is fun!

    Looks like we have more "power" than God!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I've only found this forum today and have been reading through this thread with great interest.
    Ooohhhh...a Calvinistic extreme RC....gets popcorn:)
    I expected extreme Lutherans and Catholics, the presence of Calvinism however was unexpected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,756 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Obligatory Monty Python reference coming up:

    [Peregrinus bursts through the door.]

    Peregrinus: Nobody expects the Calvinists!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I've only found this forum today and have been reading through this thread with great interest.

    I expected extreme Lutherans and Catholics, the presence of Calvinism however was unexpected.

    On an Irish forum, Lutherans of any variety are going to be very few and far between.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Nick Park wrote: »
    On an Irish forum, Lutherans of any variety are going to be very few and far between.
    I would disagree, there are a fair few on this thread anyway, maybe that's just down to the subject.

    I'm not sure where I lie to be honest, I'm a baptised and confirmed Catholic but I have many issues with the men behind the Church on earth. What do you do when the men representing God on earth, are not in line with my interpretations of the teachings of God or the meaning behind the original church under Peter as the first Pope?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭ouxbbkqtswdfaw


    The human beings in charge of the Church are of a fallen nature. Remember Peter denying Christ three times, yet he was put in charge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭EirWatchr


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm not sure where I lie to be honest, I'm a baptised and confirmed Catholic but I have many issues with the men behind the Church on earth. What do you do when the men representing God on earth, are not in line with my interpretations of the teachings of God

    Issues with the men behind the Church, and issues with differing interpretations of the teachings of God are two different things.

    What to do re teachings:

    1. Ensure you know what the Catholic Church really teaches (from its sources and spiritual advisors.)
    2. On whatever teachings you do interpret differently, patiently reflect/study on why they differ.
    3. Pray, keeping in the sacramental life of the Church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I would disagree, there are a fair few on this thread anyway, maybe that's just down to the subject.

    I don't think so. There's a number of people here (myself included) who are profoundly grateful that Luther took the stand he did on a number of issues, but also think that on other issues he got things very badly wrong. There are a number of other posters who have a pretty positive view on Luther, but no Lutherans.

    A Lutheran would be a member of one of the Lutheran churches, and there are precious few of them around. Most of the non-Catholic posters here would be Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Methodist, Evangelical or Pentecostals.

    Presbyterians, for example, subscribe to a Calvinist theology.

    This is not just a matter of semantics. When it comes to communion, for example, I don't think any poster here would follow the Lutheran line of consubstantiation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,756 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I'm not sure where I lie to be honest, I'm a baptised and confirmed Catholic but I have many issues with the men behind the Church on earth. What do you do when the men representing God on earth, are not in line with my interpretations of the teachings of God or the meaning behind the original church under Peter as the first Pope?
    You reflect on why you're a Catholic, and what it is to be a Catholic.

    One of the characteristics of Catholicism that distinguishes it somewhat from the Protestant tradition is its emphasis on the collective approach to faith and to the gospel. A Catholic is less likely to ask "what do I believe?", but rather "what do we believe?", the point being that matters of faith (and indeed other important matters) are to be nutted out collectively, in communion with others, rather than individually. By contrast the Protestant tradition puts a greater weight on the unmediated relationship between the individual and Christ.

    So if a Catholic finds he's in disagreement with the weight of Catholic belief on some important matter, yeah, that's a problem. But while the stereotypically "Protestant" instinct might be to leave the denomination and enter or form another (or to urge someone in this situation to do so) the more stereotypically "Catholic" instinct might be to see the situation as one that calls for engagement, dialogue, development, whatever, with a view to building a greater degree of shared faith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Do not fear, J C, tatranska, antiskeptic and feargale, the only one who is lost is the one who was destined to be lost.
    ... are you now adding pre-destination to your 'stable' of beliefs?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    J C wrote: »
    ... are you now adding pre-destination to your 'stable' of beliefs?

    A Calvinist might say he can't help believing in it. :pac:


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