Al Porter Scandal

Cienciano · 20-11-2017 11:24PM

humberklog wrote: »

Am I wrong in thinking that one of the allegations is that he slipped his hand down some unwilling dudes jeans and grabbed a hold of his todger?

I'm no fan of AP, I don't doubt some of alligations...but how would that particular assault work?

I've been in the pub with some mates tonight, some gay, and we can't figure out the physicalities of such a situation.

We've tried it out and it doesn't seem possible.

Yeah, unless they were wearing a tracksuit or something it seems pretty difficult

EIREDriver · 20-11-2017 11:25PM

Can someone PM me the leaked screenshots?

Obviously not in the right whatsapp groups.

PowerToWait · 20-11-2017 11:26PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Did you and your friends report these incidents to the GardaThat would have been the right thing to do if they affected you that much. Instead, he's been subjected to a witchhunt on twitter and his career is over. Full stop. I don't really care about him but I'm no fan of people making allegations on social media and attracting a vicious mob to slander an individual. That is exactly what has happened here.

If these incidents were reported to the authorities I'm sure Porter would have been reprimanded and would have stopped.

It seems the trauma increases with the rising profile of the alleged perpetrator.

DickSwiveller · 20-11-2017 11:28PM

david75 wrote: »

You’re in a bar and someone sticks their hand down your jocks you simply push him off and tell him To fvck off. If you’re a lad.
There have been more aggressive incidents than that. You ever tried to go into a Garda station as a gay guy and say you’ve been assaulted sexually? Try that sometime. Though in fairness they don’t laugh you out of the station as much as they used to.

As to why people male or females don’t report this stuff, you probably should read about that for yourself. But it’s certainly nobody’s fault in that situation for feeling that they can’t or cos they’re afraid and ashamed and embarrassed to.

Fair enough if the accusations are very serious. But in many cases - such as the case I mentioned earlier of some person being forcibly kissed by Porter - these are things people can get over. I have a friend who used to be very touchy in a jokey way. I never it seriously, and I certainly don't need to go on to twitter detailing the experience with a #metto at the end. I think there is a scary determinism in relation to people who have had unwanted attention, that says these people are victims and can never get over it. It's nonsense.

STB. · 20-11-2017 11:29PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You don't begin statements with "Do you think..." and "Are you...".

Are we really having a disucssion about spoken inflections and written question marks. I didnt expect an answer.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Curious to know what your profession is given the fact that you don't know what a question is.

Curious eh.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Regarding the due prosess, fair point - but you seem to have made you mind up based on information that is not based on fact. I may be wrong here - totally open to that - I'm not going back and reading your every post on the topic.

But you'll have to if you think I have made allegations or assume I have made my mind up.

As I said earlier I took someone to task over when they attempted to say that the allegations and victim statements were not serious. They most certainly are.

I do not have to worry about what has been published as fact. The newspapers and media do, if the allegations are untrue.

Do you think its strange that he has resigned from Today FM ?

Do you think its strange that his TV show has been pulled by TV3 ?

Do you think that it is stange that he is being replaced in a panto ?

Perhaps these organisations did not understand due process.

screamer · 20-11-2017 11:32PM

Let's just wonder here for those who think that if these allegations are true he should not lose his career....if he were an employee who did that stuff to a colleague he'd be out on his ear. Given that some of these alleged assaults happened during the course of working (gigs) etc then I see no difference, and TBH working in such public roles as he does makes his position untenable if the allegations are true.

AHOKD · 20-11-2017 11:34PM

humberklog wrote: »

Am I wrong in thinking that one of the allegations is that he slipped his hand down some unwilling dudes jeans and grabbed a hold of his todger?

I'm no fan of AP, I don't doubt some of alligations...but how would that particular assault work?

I've been in the pub with some mates tonight, some gay, and we can't figure out the physicalities of such a situation.

We've tried it out and it doesn't seem possible.

This is the bit I don't quite get, guilt or innocence aside... how do you get your hands down the front of someone's trousers without them instinctively stopping you unless you are wearing extremely loose fitting tracksuit bottoms?

Also again whether he is guilty or innocent, people having a go at him for saying he has been in showbiz for decades because he is 24 is a bizarre angle to take. As far as I know, although he has been popular as a comedian for the last 5 years or so he has been on stage in everything that was going since he was very young. It's a weird thing to pick to have a go at him over.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-11-2017 11:34PM

STB. wrote: »

Are we really having a disucssion about spoken inflections and written question marks. I didnt expect an answer.

Yes.

Curious eh.

Very. Obviously, it's nothing law based.

But you'll have to if you think I have made allegations or assume I have made my mind up.

As I said earlier I took someone to task over when they were attempting to say that the allegations and victim statements were not serious. They most certainly are.

I do not have to worry about what has been published as fact. The newspapers and media do, if the allegations are untrue.

Do you think its strange that he has resigned from Today FM ?

Do you think its strange that his TV show has been pulled by TV3 ?

Do you think that it is stange that he is being replaced in a panto ?

Perhaps these organisations did not understand due process.

"Due process" typically refers to the administration of legal justice. There's no legal case here. At least, not yet. Also, he stood aside willingly in some of these cases, so the organisations made no decision.

What you've done here is formed an opinion, which is fine. No problem there. But it's not legal fact.

(PS - thank you for using question marks

)

DickSwiveller · 20-11-2017 11:36PM

screamer wrote: »

Let's just wonder here for those who think that if these allegations are true he should not lose his career....if he were an employee who did that stuff to a colleague he'd be out on his ear. Given that some of these alleged assaults happened during the course of working (gigs) etc then I see no difference, and TBH working in such public roles as he does makes his position untenable if the allegations are true.

Lets say he admits to the accusations, apologizes and vows never to engage in such behaviour again, do you really think his whole career should be ruined? Such a situation should be dealt with in a calm and considered manner, not dictated by online mobs. I typed Al Porter's name in to twitter and couldn't believe the amount of bile aimed at him.

screamer · 20-11-2017 11:41PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Lets say he admits to the accusations, apologizes and vows never to engage in such behaviour again, do you really think his whole career should be ruined? Such a situation should be dealt with in a calm and considered manner, not dictated by online mobs. I typed Al Porter's name in to twitter and couldn't believe the amount of bile aimed at him.

See you've answered your own question. He relies on the "mobs" aka public to buy tickets to his shows....to tune into his radio show so he can command a handsome salary.....to buy panto tickets etc. If the public don't and won't purchase/ listen/ attend any longer because they are outraged/ disgusted ( even if only because of alleged behaviour) then a career dependant on public support is over. It's simple really.....

STB. · 20-11-2017 11:44PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yes.

Well then I suggest you read my answers aloud.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Very. Obviously, it's nothing law based.

It could be said that it is not law based. Then again some might say you would need to know a little bit.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Due process" typically refers to the administration of legal justice. There's no legal case here. At least, not yet. Also, he stood aside willingly in some of these cases, so the organisations made no decision.

What you've done here is formed an opinion, which is fine. No problem there. But it's not legal fact.

(PS - thank you for using question marks )

Again, I never claimed there was a legal case, just yet.

He stood aside. Perhaps.

Again I have formed no opinion. I have tackled people who made outrageous statements belittling such behaviour. Thats a generality.

PS The obvious questions were for you.

Guy:Incognito · 20-11-2017 11:47PM

STB. wrote: »

The people who came forward are not happy with his apology either.

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If they actually wanted an apology from him, surely theyd have contacted him directly , or even through a lawyer , and not by telling the world on twitter thought, No? They move in the same circles do they not ( the fellow comedians)

david75 · 20-11-2017 11:48PM

Gropes you. You don’t push him off for whatever reason. Gets what he wants. Up to sex. Delighted.
Or
Gropes you. You push him off and tell him to fvck off. ‘Ah I’m only havin a Buzz don’t be takin it so seriously!’ Weird transparent excuse where you know exactly that it isn’t a joke and he’d take full advantage of he could have.

That’s his MO and most like him. Sexual opportunism up to predatory. Definitely disfunctional eitherway and consistent behaviour in Porters case for years now.

_Brian · 20-11-2017 11:59PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Lets say he admits to the accusations, apologizes and vows never to engage in such behaviour again, do you really think his whole career should be ruined? Such a situation should be dealt with in a calm and considered manner, not dictated by online mobs. I typed Al Porter's name in to twitter and couldn't believe the amount of bile aimed at him.

Personally I believe he deserves to have his so called “career” taken from him.
There’s plenty of factory jobs and basic jobs out there for him to eek out a living, he has no right to hold onto a €140k/yr job with todayfm just because you feel sorry for him. He has betrayed the trust put in him by the public and has no right to continue making a living from them.

Now, that said, the general public has a short memory and are a fickle bunch, if he holds his hands up, does his time so to speak, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t appear wringing his hands on the late late in a few years and then make imhis seedy way back into the public eye.

20-11-2017 11:59PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Hang on - how did we get to groping and kissing another man in a psychaitric ward?! He;s not Jimmy ****ing Saville, for ****'s sake (at least, not based on current information)

Think you’ve missed this

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/11/20/a-hospital-visit/

EIREDriver · 21-11-2017 12:07AM

cisk wrote: »

Think you’ve missed this

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/11/20/a-hospital-visit/

If this is true (co-operating with Mod warnings) Porter is nothing but a predator and can't see how anyone can defend his actions.

Don't think Sunday Times would be publishing it and Mark Tighe tweeting about it if it wasn't true.

Wombatman · 21-11-2017 12:09AM

STB. wrote: »

Are we really having a disucssion about spoken inflections and written question marks? I didnt expect an answer.

Curious eh.

But you'll have to if you think I have made allegations or assume I have made my mind up.

As I said earlier I took someone to task over when they attempted to say that the allegations and victim statements were not serious. They most certainly are.

I do not have to worry about what has been published as fact. The newspapers and media do, if the allegations are untrue.

Do you think its strange that he has resigned from Today FM ?

Do you think its strange that his TV show has been pulled by TV3 ?

Do you think that it is stange that he is being replaced in a panto ?

Perhaps these organisations did not understand due process.

FYP

Ash.J.Williams · 21-11-2017 12:20AM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Lets say he admits to the accusations, apologizes and vows never to engage in such behaviour again, do you really think his whole career should be ruined? Such a situation should be dealt with in a calm and considered manner, not dictated by online mobs. I typed Al Porter's name in to twitter and couldn't believe the amount of bile aimed at him.

I just don't see how his humour can be relevant after this. Now that he's accused of sexual assault his entire repertoire is now obselete. He's a one trick pony.

STB. · 21-11-2017 12:21AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If they actually wanted an apology from him, surely theyd have contacted him directly , or even through a lawyer , and not by telling the world on twitter thought, No? They move in the same circles do they not ( the fellow comedians)

Are you blaming the victims for how they came forward ?

What I said is that they are not happy with his apology. His sorry “to anyone I may have genuinely offended” but claimed the incidents in which he was accused of groping the men “had been in keeping with my flamboyant and outrageous public persona”.

Not all of them were comedians.

alan partridge aha · 21-11-2017 12:36AM

Noob Saibot wrote: »

One the great things about this is that breed of pery, overbearing gay guy now realises that his hilarious camp 'flirting' is not acceptable.

Exactly, saw him on LLS a while back, he said some disgusting things about a male boxer who had been on immediately before that. It was of a sexual nature. Tubs just laughed at his comments and moved on.

If it was a straight comedian on saying what he'd do with Katie Taylor l doubt Tubs would have been the same. Delighted he's been found out.

PTH2009 · 21-11-2017 12:45AM

I imagine he is now going to go into therapy to fix his problems and move into a different profession ???

Sam Quentin · 21-11-2017 02:49AM

I am lmao(not really)at all these insinuations and filth ANNNND bile and judgemental comments lmao... About a 24yr old YOUNG FELLA..
Makes me realise how many nasty pieces of shít are on boards and social media in general.....
ffs he grabbed somebody by the goooolies(apparently).
And to make things EVEN worse for you nasty posters it was a few years ago jaysizzzzz creeeeest.
I'll have to take some of you with me on a Saturday night(on my rounds)and see what some youngsters get up to..Bloody Ridiculous.

EIREDriver · 21-11-2017 02:58AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I am lmao(not really)at all these insinuations and filth ANNNND bile and judgemental comments lmao... About a 24yr old YOUNG FELLA..
Makes me realise how many nasty pieces of shít are on boards and social media in general.....
ffs he grabbed somebody by the goooolies(apparently).
And to make things EVEN worse for you nasty posters it was a few years ago jaysizzzzz creeeeest.
I'll have to take some of you with me on a Saturday night(on my rounds)and see what some youngsters get up to..Bloody Ridiculous.

I'm in my early 20s and what he's accused of doing is in no way the norm for "youngsters". Grabbing someone "by the goolies" is sexual assault and I'm glad people on here and on social media are disgusted by his actions.

Grayditch · 21-11-2017 03:10AM

What Al porter has been doing is just so wrong. It's crass, senseless and actually pretty distressing. It defies logic and he has a LOT to answer for. I think he should apologise to the entire country for the things he has done.

And to top it all off, he's a sex pest now.

Sam Quentin · 21-11-2017 03:28AM

EIREDriver wrote: »

I'm in my early 20s and what he's accused of doing is in no way the norm for "youngsters". Grabbing someone "by the goolies" is sexual assault and I'm glad people on here and on social media are disgusted by his actions.

I'm not here to argue.
But if you say so...

AGAIN

LMAO............

Vladimir Poontang · 21-11-2017 05:21AM

I guess it should come as no surprise that Al Porter defenders would have very screwed up ideas regarding acceptable behaviour.

BuilderPlumber · 21-11-2017 06:55AM

Al Porter's actions and his defence of them are disgusting. Porter is (yet) another media created 'sensation' whose artificially created 'fame' owes almost 100% to Tubridy, etc. and whose act concentrates on vulgarity. His lewd behaviour on the Valentines edition of Tubridy's show along with a show aired one Christmas called The Al Porter Show gives us all we need to know about what this man considers funny.

I daresay Porter is just the tip of the iceberg and is the result of all the promotion of sleaze that the media have engaged in. I blame Mrs Brown too for making vulgarity mainstream. I am sick of seeing dirt posing as comedy on our screens and as Porter proves, the perpetrators of dirt can engage in actions as well as words. When that happens, it is clearly time to discourage crude, vulgar comedians and their attempts to make obscene actions part of their as Porter calls it 'outrageous public persona'.

Ash.J.Williams · 21-11-2017 07:08AM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Exactly, saw him on LLS a while back, he said some disgusting things about a male boxer who had been on immediately before that. It was of a sexual nature. Tubs just laughed at his comments and moved on.

If it was a straight comedian on saying what he'd do with Katie Taylor l doubt Tubs would have been the same. Delighted he's been found out.

He likes a good pounding in the ring?

_Whimsical_ · 21-11-2017 07:23AM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Al Porter's actions and his defence of them are disgusting. Porter is (yet) another media created 'sensation' whose artificially created 'fame' owes almost 100% to Tubridy, etc. and whose act concentrates on vulgarity. His lewd behaviour on the Valentines edition of Tubridy's show along with a show aired one Christmas called The Al Porter Show gives us all we need to know about what this man considers funny.

I daresay Porter is just the tip of the iceberg and is the result of all the promotion of sleaze that the media have engaged in. I blame Mrs Brown too for making vulgarity mainstream. I am sick of seeing dirt posing as comedy on our screens and as Porter proves, the perpetrators of dirt can engage in actions as well as words. When that happens, it is clearly time to discourage crude, vulgar comedians and their attempts to make obscene actions part of their as Porter calls it 'outrageous public persona'.

That's exactly it though. We went through years there of celebrating vulgarity as if it signaled that we were just so "right on", open to everything, everyone who didn't find it all a bit f fun was just a prude. It was a ticket from obscurity to having your own national media career for God sake. Al Porter sounds like he believed the adulation he received, what the media, the culture and the people buying his tickets signaled back to him, that filth was now fun, and he acted accordingly. It was in no way acceptable but we can't pretend that the boundaries were as clear as they should've been for a 20 year old who shot to fame here playing that camp crude panto roll. It doesn't sound like he carried things out in private settings with easily manipulated victims for his own sexual kicks. It sounds more like he believed anything goes now and that he continued to play the insufferable character adored on tv into reality. I think that makes him foolish, misled and immature, but not a sex pest who deserves to have his life destroyed.

BuilderPlumber · 21-11-2017 07:37AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

That's exactly it though. We went through years there of celebrating vulgarity as if it signaled that we were just so "right on", open to everything, everyone who didn't find it all a bit f fun was just a prude. It was a ticket from obscurity to having your own national media career for God sake. Al Porter sounds like he believed the adulation he received, what the media, the culture and the people buying his tickets signaled back to him, that filth was now fun, and he acted accordingly. It was in no way acceptable but we can't pretend that the boundaries were as clear as they should've been for a 20 year old who shot to fame here playing that camp crude panto roll. It doesn't sound like he carried things out in private settings with easily manipulated victims for his own sexual kicks. It sounds more like he believed anything goes now and that he continued to play the insufferable character adored on tv into reality. I think that makes him foolish, misled and immature, but not a sex pest who deserves to have his life destroyed.

I agree. Porter and his persona is 100% created by a media who encouraged it. Porter has talent and can do other things like sing Frank Sinatra type music well. But with all avenues in music closed off unless one sings modern country drivel or boyband pop crass, the only other route for Porter was to exploit a market for crude comedy. Tubridy and his Valentines show encouraged him and egged him on. Of course, Porter became the persona the media encouraged. Of course, Porter should not receive all the blame and those who encouraged and created him need to acknowledge their role in things too. The media should be open to all talent and not just certain types and Tubridy should not be encouraging filth on that Valentine's special: that thing should not go ahead next calendar year/this TV year.

I hate the way the media sold us vulgarity as normal and made one feel they were some kind of prude and religious nutcase if one was not open to it. I am not a prude and not a religious fanatic but I can see vulgarity on constant as both boring and also not funny as well as perhaps encouraging inappropriate behaviour and normalising it. Sadly, Porter is a product of that 'culture'. I blame Tubridy and his kind a lot for the normalisation of vulgarity. Mrs Brown and Gerry Ryan also need to be acknowledged for their contributions to smut too.

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