Al Porter Scandal

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 06:02PM

Cazale wrote:

I'm sure Harvey started out with a few gropes here or there and a few unsolicited messages. The longer you get away with it the more emboldened you get I'd imagine. What would people have said about Saville or Harvey had they been stopped in their tracks forty years previously?

Exactly. I wonder how this would look if it wasn't stopped now. He was obviously on the rise in the Irish entertainment circles so who is to say he couldn't have made it big. As an openly gay entertainer he was an ideal front an for any TV show that wanted to appeal to the current audience

Penn · 20-11-2017 06:04PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

No, I wouldn't consider it to be sexual assault if it were women instead of men. I previously posted in this thread that I have been groped and I never considered it to be sexual assault nor did I consider myself to be a victim.

But just because you don't, doesn't mean the same applies for everybody. And someone considering themselves to be a victim of such acts doesn't diminish those who have suffered worse acts or what they went through.

I think if someone considers the type of thing Porter did to them to be sexual assault and that they're a victim, and that that's a reasonable claim based on the general usage of the terms, then that's fair enough. If you don't based on similar or worse happening to you, that's fair enough for you also.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 06:04PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

No, I wouldn't consider it to be sexual assault if it were women instead of men. I previously posted in this thread that I have been groped and I never considered it to be sexual assault nor did I consider myself to be a victim.

Well what would you call it then?

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 06:04PM

Mr.H wrote: »

OK that's fair enough. I do get where your coming from and would agree to an extent. But I could never go as far as to tell people they should feel like victims when they never asked for that to happen.

Just reading way too much hypocrisy on this issue.

I just feel like victim is too strong a word in this instance, when he was just groping, I do think that he went too far with the man who was depressed and also when he put his hand down the other man's pants, definitely uncalled for behaviour, just ''assault'' and ''victim'' are too strong, especially when he just seemed to grab some crotches through jeans with the other men. I've had it happen to me, and I felt annoyed and shoved them away but I mean that was the end of it for me, definitely nothing that scarred me for life.

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 06:05PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Well what would you call it then?

Unwanted attention? Groping? Being a general arsehole?

Cienciano · 20-11-2017 06:05PM

I think it's seriously bad form sending screenshots of a private conversation. I think a lot of people could be in trouble if their employer saw screenshots of a private conversation. (Obviously don't condone the groping before someone gets on a high horse).

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

An abuser is an abuser.

And a serial abuser is a serial abuser.

I wouldn't agree with that. Giving your mate a joint means you're a dealer, same as a guy pushing heroin. Different levels of everything.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 06:06PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

it's not nice and he will pay for it, but he hasn't killed anyone, and let's be honest, he's only 24, we all make mistakes when we're young, He just didn't help himself with that statement, he should have been more contrite.

My four year old niece is being taught in school that what's in your pants belongs to you. How difficult a concept is that, he is old enough to know better. No he hasn't killed anyone and he's not hitler.

pilly · 20-11-2017 06:09PM

Penn wrote: »

But just because you don't, doesn't mean the same applies for everybody. And someone considering themselves to be a victim of such acts doesn't diminish those who have suffered worse acts or what they went through.

I think if someone considers the type of thing Porter did to them to be sexual assault and that they're a victim, and that that's a reasonable claim based on the general usage of the terms, then that's fair enough. If you don't based on similar or worse happening to you, that's fair enough for you also.

I agree with you Penn, it's precisely how the person feels themselves.

It is not however up to us to call someone a victim in fact some people really object to being called a victim because it demeans them.

There was one recent horrific case of two girls abused by their father and neither of them wanted to be called victims.

We can't bestow the victim title on people just so we feel comfortable about bashing the abuser.

AnneFrank · 20-11-2017 06:09PM

Listen, i'm not defending the chap, but i do think a bit of perspective is needed here, that's all i'm saying

Will I Am Not · 20-11-2017 06:09PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

all the girls in my office are more interested in how big his schlong is

I have this in my head since reading your post. Sunday, Bloody Sunday tune.

How long, how long is Al Porter’s schlong
How long, how looooooooooooong...

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 06:12PM

Penn wrote: »

But just because you don't, doesn't mean the same applies for everybody. And someone considering themselves to be a victim of such acts doesn't diminish those who have suffered worse acts or what they went through.

I think if someone considers the type of thing Porter did to them to be sexual assault and that they're a victim, and that that's a reasonable claim based on the general usage of the terms, then that's fair enough. If you don't based on similar or worse happening to you, that's fair enough for you also.

Fair enough, if they want to consider themselves to be victims then that's up to them, I just don't think that's a healthy mindset in this instance.

VinLieger · 20-11-2017 06:12PM

pilly wrote: »

What's more interesting is that someone has time to go back over 6 months of posting? Hmm......

I don't have time for that crack but I'm pretty sure I never said Hook should be burned at the stake or that he was unforgivable because I believe most people can be forgiven.

Firstly the search function isn't that hard to use, it took all of 20 seconds.

Secondly I more just find it funny you found it ridiculous that people called what happened to hook a witch hunt but in this situation you have a problem with whats happening.

Venom · 20-11-2017 06:13PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I think it's seriously bad form sending screenshots of a private conversation. I think a lot of people could be in trouble if their employer saw screenshots of a private conversation. (Obviously don't condone the groping before someone gets on a high horse).

I wouldn't agree with that. Giving your mate a joint means you're a dealer, same as a guy pushing heroin. Different levels of everything.

So if I offer a guest a glass of wine I'm a publican, a cake or biscuit and I'm a baker by that logic!

Penn · 20-11-2017 06:15PM

pilly wrote: »

I agree with you Penn, it's precisely how the person feels themselves.

It is not however up to us to call someone a victim in fact some people really object to being called a victim because it demeans them.

There was one recent horrific case of two girls abused by their father and neither of them wanted to be called victims.

We can't bestow the victim title on people just so we feel comfortable about bashing the abuser.

Agreed. At the same time though, I don't think it's unfair of people in this thread referring to the people who have made accusations as victims either, unless the person in questions have said they don't want to be called victims. It's not an unreasonable term to use given the circumstances.

AnneFrank · 20-11-2017 06:17PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Firstly the search function isn't that hard to use, it took all of 20 seconds.

Secondly I more just find it funny you found it ridiculous that people called what happened to hook a witch hunt but in this situation you have a problem with whats happening.

what happened to hook was a total witch hunt imo

castletownman · 20-11-2017 06:18PM

The aforementioned pics (well what looks like a facebook chat) popped up on a whatsapp group I am on, and it makes him across a lot worse than before.

I would be mortified talking the way he does to my GF in private, but to do so to someone who clearly isn't reciprocal to his advances, knowing that the "target" was straight and in a relationship, on a public behemoth knowing full well that his relative fame pushes into "risky" territory, borders on predatory.

Just heard Matt Copper's segment too. Basically reciting Al's apology and giving a time-line of the weekend events, without even a semblance of condemnation. Even he took the "alleged" part of the accusations into consideration, and qualified any criticism by citing same, he could have at least shown a bit of balance. Hardly surprising he didn't though.

Cienciano · 20-11-2017 06:22PM

castletownman wrote: »

The aforementioned pics (well what looks like a facebook chat) popped up on a whatsapp group I am on, and it makes him across a lot worse than before.

I think without knowing the context of the facebook chat and what his relationship was to the other guy you can forget about it.
Hefty lad on him all the same

omerin · 20-11-2017 06:29PM

omerin wrote: »

I cannot wait for the Last Word on Monday for Coppers reaction. Very quick to castigate Hook about the wording of his question on personal responsibility (incorrectly imo), Trump's grabbing by the meow comment and the latest scandals with Weinstein and others. Will we see more of the holier then thou attitude from him on Monday, I would very much doubt it, but let's hope for some consistency.
Dil probably wont respond, her 5 minutes are up and as for COD, don't get me started ....

What a joke, but as expected, Copper did not address the issue, simply reading out statements, complete whitewash. Has he any credibility left as a journalist? I used to enjoy this show but now he is (and I hate using the word) a snowflake, unless the discretion is from one of his friends. I look back at the hatchet job he did on Hook, I can recall at least two discussions on the topic where no one was defending Hook. Hook was hung, drawn and quartered.

As I write this he is responding to a text and he is reading from a pre-scripted reply. Jesus Christ

neonsofa · 20-11-2017 06:30PM

Penn wrote: »

Agreed. At the same time though, I don't think it's unfair of people in this thread referring to the people who have made accusations as victims either, unless the person in questions have said they don't want to be called victims. It's not an unreasonable term to use given the circumstances.

Exactly. When you report a crime to the Gardai, if you were the affected person you receive a "victim of a crime" letter (or something along those line) with info for victims and a victim of crime helpline number. Its a term used to describe someone who had a crime commited to/against them. In this case the crime was sexual assault. It may be an emotive term for some people but it's not really the incorrect term to use unless the person explicitly states otherwise.

Galwayguy35 · 20-11-2017 06:33PM

Matt Cooper told us he would be covering this story on The Last Word which surprised me and I was going to give him credit for doing so.

But Matt's idea of 'covering' it was nothing more than reading out Porters statement that was released last night.

Compared with the airtime he gave to sticking the knife in George Hook and bringing on guests who wanted to do the same to Hook was a joke.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 06:35PM

https://www.buzz.ie/weird/rte-twitter-appears-hacked-messaged-al-porter-accuser-262507

RTE twitter account was 'hacked' or just indicative of the knobs in montrose....

Vojera · 20-11-2017 06:40PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

And if he didn't ask for a dick pic to be sent?

If he didn't ask then Porter was wrong to send it. But you know what, I still don't agree with it being in the public domain as the other party in the conversation didn't give their consent to having it shared.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 06:43PM

Vojera wrote: »

But you know what, I still don't agree with it being in the public domain as the other party in the conversation didn't give their consent to having it shared.

I don't agree with it either and there needs to be stronger laws.

pitifulgod · 20-11-2017 06:43PM

pilly wrote: »

I agree with you Penn, it's precisely how the person feels themselves.

It is not however up to us to call someone a victim in fact some people really object to being called a victim because it demeans them.

There was one recent horrific case of two girls abused by their father and neither of them wanted to be called victims.

We can't bestow the victim title on people just so we feel comfortable about bashing the abuser.

Legally, they are the victim. If somebody steals something from my pocket. I'm a victim of crime. There's no requirement for it to be on par with somebody who had their house robbed. This isn't an excuse to bash Porter, it's calling out unacceptable and criminal behaviour.

splinter65 · 20-11-2017 06:45PM

AnneFrank wrote: »

Listen, i'm not defending the chap, but i do think a bit of perspective is needed here, that's all i'm saying

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

Sam Quentin · 20-11-2017 06:50PM

splinter65 wrote: »

If you consider that someone you barely know plunging their hand, out of the blue, into your knickers and squeezing your vagina, is no big deal really and not an assault, and that you wouldn’t be upset if it happened you, nor would you be upset if it happened to your loved one, then I can understand why you think the response is out of perspective.

Are you saying that's what Al Porter done, but on a man!?
Fooookin hell.....

splinter65 · 20-11-2017 06:58PM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Are you saying that's what Al Porter done, but on a man!?
Fooookin hell.....

That’s what it’s alleged he did . And not just once...

Beechwoodspark · 20-11-2017 06:58PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

Fair enough, if they want to consider themselves to be victims then that's up to them, I just don't think that's a healthy mindset in this instance.

You are coming across as clueless when it comes to the effects of sexual assault/harassment, but sure, carry on regardless, I doubt you will take heed of anyone here.

Don Kiddick · 20-11-2017 07:27PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You are coming across as clueless when it comes to the effects of sexual assault/harassment, but sure, carry on regardless, I doubt you will take heed of anyone here.

She has already said she was dragged into bushes and nearly raped.... perhaps a hand on the groin wouldn't affect her as much as an attempted rape?.... everyone has their own limit and guide as to what they find acceptable and unacceptable....it's not your place to judge others

Beechwoodspark · 20-11-2017 07:31PM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

She has already said she was dragged into bushes and nearly raped.... perhaps a hand on the groin wouldn't affect her as much as an attempted rape?.... everyone has their own limit and guide as to what they find acceptable and unacceptable....it's not your place to judge others

Is she not judging the victims? She said it's not a healthy mindset for them to have??? I mean, wtf?

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