Al Porter Scandal

VinLieger · 20-11-2017 05:18PM

pilly wrote: »

Unforgivable is taking it too far.

We have turned into a nation of witch burners.

Ffs, he hasn't murdered someone.

Witch Burners ehh? *checks posters history for references to george hook*

Interesting.......

LollipopJimmy · 20-11-2017 05:19PM

Pics of his doodah doing the rounds, an admission of being 'on the bag' and accusations of inappropriate behavior?

Probably no returning from this for him.

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 05:21PM

pilly wrote: »

Comparing what Al Porter has been accused of to someone doing it to a child is just a step too far. He has not been accused of doing it to a child.

If we've now gone past the point where we can differentiate between the two I despair.

Completely agree, I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. He basically is a bit of a knob who gets too handsy with people. He doesn't need to be burned at the stake.

I was surprised to hear the men involved describe themselves as victims (and I would feel the same if they were women), like I said previously, I have had far worse incidents of groping happen to me and one attempted rape and I wouldn't ever describe myself as a victim, it's an insult to actual victims of sexual assault.

Having said that though, I do think that his behaviour towards a severely depressed man was really inappropriate and shameful (if true).

Dr Crayfish · 20-11-2017 05:22PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Pics of his doodah doing the rounds, an admission of being 'on the bag' and accusations of inappropriate behavior?

Probably no returning from this for him.

Well drugs are rife in the gay community, you'd need to be pretty clueless to think it unusual of a gay man in the entertainment industry to be fond of a few lines

Red_Wake · 20-11-2017 05:23PM

He'll be back.

Vojera · 20-11-2017 05:26PM

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Worse than that, one of the screenshots is a Facebook status from the gf of one of the lads he was messaging, but from the guy's account posting grabs of their conversations I.e. His gf was snooping on his account, found the messages and then shared them, outing him from his own account publicly complete with very sexual messages.

I mean it's not on cheating on her with Al but Jesus what a cúnt move - could she not just have broken up with him ffs

If the conversation was consensual, i.e. yer man was up for it and wasn't being bombarded with messages he didn't want, then that's not on. It has nothing to do with the allegations.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 05:27PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Well drugs are rife in the gay community, you'd need to be pretty clueless to think it unusual of a gay man in the entertainment industry to be fond of a few lines

They are rife on any club scene, straight as well.

cloudatlas · 20-11-2017 05:28PM

Vojera wrote: »

If the conversation was consensual, i.e. yer man was up for it and wasn't being bombarded with messages he didn't want, then that's not on. It has nothing to do with the allegations.

And if he didn't ask for a dick pic to be sent?

pilly · 20-11-2017 05:35PM

Trond wrote: »

Do you not believe the accusers then?

I don't know, have no idea who they are or whether they're telling the truth or not.

My point was in response to someone saying that the motivation for someone now coming out with these allegations was to protect others. If that was the motivation then they would have came out about it years ago.

statto25 · 20-11-2017 05:35PM

The Last Word will have a segment on Porter during todays show for anyone interested

AnneFrank · 20-11-2017 05:36PM

Big Gay Al

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 05:40PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote:

I was surprised to hear the men involved describe themselves as victims (and I would feel the same if they were women), like I said previously, I have had far worse incidents of groping happen to me and one attempted rape and I wouldn't ever describe myself as a victim, it's an insult to actual victims of sexual assault.

Saying they are not victims is an insult to these victims.

If this was women being touched like this there would be calls for him to be in prison. But because it's men it's OK?

Absolutely disgusting attitude

Cazale · 20-11-2017 05:43PM

AnneFrank wrote:

yes i hear you but it just seems a bit odd, if not punch then push off in a strong manner, but i take the points you could then be in trouble too. I guess you don't know how you'd react till it happens

I was at a staff night out a few years ago in a well known bar in Dublin and there was a fella drinking with a few girls at a table just outside the men's toilets. Every time I walked by he tried to grope me or pinch my arse. It was embarrassing enough so I tried to laugh it off and told him to stop. The next time I walked by he did it again and when I confronted him he smacked me on the arse hard enough it hurt. I'm 6ft2 and 17.5 stone so didn't want to hit him as I would have seriously hurt him so I pushed him away with my forearm. Long story short I ended up getting pulled out of the place by three bouncers and your man was let stay. My only other options apart from pushing him were to leave the bar or go out to the bouncers. My thinking is the fact that I was bigger than all of them that they wouldn't have took my complaints about a five foot nothing groper too seriously.

In the grand scheme of things it wasn't a huge sexual assault but it was an invasion of my person and it could have had consequences for me work wise as luckily my boss witnessed what happened and knew I was in the right.

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 05:43PM

pilly wrote:

My point was in response to someone saying that the motivation for someone now coming out with these allegations was to protect others. If that was the motivation then they would have came out about it years ago.

Did you think the same about Weinstein's victims?

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 05:45PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Saying they are not victims is an insult to these victims.

If this was women being touched like this there would be calls for him to be in prison. But because it's men it's OK?

Absolutely disgusting attitude

You quoted me as saying I'd think the same if they were women. Try reading my post.

Don Kiddick · 20-11-2017 05:47PM

Mickey slaps and fanny grabs for all I say!!!

pilly · 20-11-2017 05:48PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

What punishment do you think is suitable for multiple cases of sexual assault?
If you had an employee or worked with someone who did that would you be happy for them to represent your company at meetings knowing that they might get 'handsy', would you like to work with them beside you in the office? I know I wouldn't. Sure tis only a bit of craic like!

Okay, let's hang on one second.

1. Nothing has been proven yet
2. None of the allegations took place in Today FM, TV3 or at the Gaiety as far as I know. Those were his place of work.
3. It is not up to me to decide on anyone's level of punishment
4. I'd have no problem working next to a pervert if he had realised the wrong of his ways and apologised.

The latest thing now is screenshots of his private conversations on whatsapp.

God help us all if we were judged by every conversation we've ever had in our lives.

My point and I'll say it again in case it's not clear enough for people is that this alleged behaviour is not UNFORGIVABLE.

If you all genuinely feel that it is then I feel sorry for your family and friends.

LollipopJimmy · 20-11-2017 05:51PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Well drugs are rife in the gay community, you'd need to be pretty clueless to think it unusual of a gay man in the entertainment industry to be fond of a few lines

Ah so it's ok then. Must remember that if I'm ever stopped with a few grams

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 05:52PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote:

You quoted me as saying I'd think the same if they were women. Try reading my post.

My point is that there is no way you would feel the same.......

These men were assaulted. They did not want to be touched or gropped yet they where.

If it was women I would feel the exact same.

If anyone is forcefully touched inappropriatly then they are a victim of assault. While they were not raped, it's hot the point. It wasn't violent but definitely illegal.

No difference between what he did and what Harvey Weinstein did. Maybe Harvey took it another step but this creep definitely deserves what's coming to him

Venom · 20-11-2017 05:52PM

Red_Wake wrote: »

He'll be back.

Only in a re-run of his god awful show.

Grayditch · 20-11-2017 05:52PM

There is some awful attitudes to men who have been felt up against their will.

https://youtu.be/pi0ePRY7TSc?t=4m1s

I wonder would they all laugh if he was there in the studio...

pilly · 20-11-2017 05:54PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Did you think the same about Weinstein's victims?

There is no comparison between the two. Weinstein did and does wield a huge amount of power, Al Porter has no power and certainly didn't 4 or 5 years ago.

LadyMacBeth_ · 20-11-2017 05:54PM

Mr.H wrote: »

My point is that there is no way you would feel the same.......

These men were assaulted. They did not want to be touched or gropped yet they where.

If it was women I would feel the exact same.

If anyone is forcefully touched inappropriatly then they are a victim of assault. While they were not raped, it's hot the point. It wasn't violent but definitely illegal.

No difference between what he did and what Harvey Weinstein did. Maybe Harvey took it another step but this creep definitely deserves what's coming to him

No, I wouldn't consider it to be sexual assault if it were women instead of men. I previously posted in this thread that I have been groped and I never considered it to be sexual assault nor did I consider myself to be a victim.

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 05:56PM

pilly wrote:

There is no comparison between the two. Weinstein did and does wield a huge amount of power, Al Porter has no power and certainly didn't 4 or 5 years ago.

He paid one of those men to appear at a show. That is power as he was the employer.

Scale is the only difference

Ulysses Gaze · 20-11-2017 05:57PM

pilly wrote: »

There is no comparison between the two. Weinstein did and does wield a huge amount of power, Al Porter has no power and certainly didn't 4 or 5 years ago.

An abuser is an abuser.

And a serial abuser is a serial abuser.

Cazale · 20-11-2017 05:57PM

Mr.H wrote:

No difference between what he did and what Harvey Weinstein did. Maybe Harvey took it another step but this creep definitely deserves what's coming to him

I'm sure Harvey started out with a few gropes here or there and a few unsolicited messages. The longer you get away with it the more emboldened you get I'd imagine. What would people have said about Saville or Harvey had they been stopped in their tracks forty years previously?

Mr.H · 20-11-2017 05:58PM

LadyMacBeth_ wrote:

No, I wouldn't consider it to be sexual assault if it were women instead of men. I previously posted in this thread that I have been groped and I never considered it to be sexual assault nor did I consider myself to be a victim.

OK that's fair enough. I do get where your coming from and would agree to an extent. But I could never go as far as to tell people they should feel like victims when they never asked for that to happen.

Just reading way too much hypocrisy on this issue.

pilly · 20-11-2017 05:59PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Witch Burners ehh? *checks posters history for references to george hook*

Interesting.......

What's more interesting is that someone has time to go back over 6 months of posting? Hmm......

I don't have time for that crack but I'm pretty sure I never said Hook should be burned at the stake or that he was unforgivable because I believe most people can be forgiven.

AnneFrank · 20-11-2017 06:00PM

it's not nice and he will pay for it, but he hasn't killed anyone, and let's be honest, he's only 24, we all make mistakes when we're young, He just didn't help himself with that statement, he should have been more contrite.

pilly · 20-11-2017 06:02PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

An abuser is an abuser.

And a serial abuser is a serial abuser.

I wish I lived in a Black and White world. Really makes things simple.

Kill all the bad people - problem solved. :rolleyes:

Al Porter Scandal

Comments