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end of the road wrote:

i myself decided i don't wish to have children. that doesn't mean i don't care about children or the unborn, just incase you try and twist it, which i have no doubt you will.

What if you/ your partner gets pregnant? You've decided you don't want children, what happens then?

Are you part of any campaign or charity that works to support or further the cause of improving the lot of children who are in the care system, due to being born to unfit or unwilling parents?

bodice ripper wrote: »

Who even thinks about themselves this way, yet alone says it out loud (online)..?

thinks what? what way?

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

That is such a loaded question! No, an embryo isn't human life.

It really is though, in relation to human development at least (as opposed to the development of any other organism you'd care to strawman the discussion with) -

embryo [em´bre-o]

a new organism in the earliest stage of development. In humans this is defined as the developing organism from the fourth day after fertilization to the end of the eighth week. After that the unborn baby is usually referred to as the fetus. adj., adj em´bryonal, embryon´ic.


Source: The Free Medical Dictionary

Also, we share around half our genetic code with bananas, does that mean bananas are half human and therefore shouldn't be eaten? That's your logic right there.

No, because that would be a further display of a rather poor grasp of animal and plant biology. You're responsible for that stunning display of the failure of our education system, not the poster you quoted.

Winston Orange Pennant wrote:

So what is a human embryo then?...maybe it's really a banana the woman will give birth to! What utter rubbish but it points to the real truth about abortion. If we say what we're killing isn't a baby then it's ok. If we say its a baby then we have problems both morally and legally.

It's of course human cells, but its not a baby, you couldn't take it out put a baby grow on it and stick it in a crib, any more than you can take a cake out of the oven five minutes after putting it in plonk it on the table in front of your mother and say I made you a cake. With the right conditions you will have a cake, but at that moment in time all you have is a cake tin full of goop

Winston Orange Pennant wrote: »

So what is a human embryo then?...maybe it's really a banana the woman will give birth to!
What utter rubbish but it points to the real truth about abortion.
If we say what we're killing isn't a baby then it's ok.
If we say its a baby then we have problems both morally and legally.

A fetus is to a person what an acorn is to an oak tree.

They are distinct enough phases of development to their respective species as to have specific descriptors...these are used not because there is any great conspiracy by pro-choicers, rather because it's simply the correct terminology.

Watch this video & tell me its OK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k&t=174s

end of the road wrote: »

no it's used by the pro-abortionists to excuse their view. call it a baby and they would have to accept abortion for what it actually is . call it something else and they can try and avoid the reality.

The alternative perspective is the wrong terminology is deliberately used to be ultra-emotive by anti-choicers...a bit like me collecting acorns and some nut screaming at me about my role in deforestation.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Watch this video & tell me its OK

Is it a video of Savita Halappanaver or any of the other women the 8th has killed? Perhaps it's a video of the pregnant corpse of a woman hooked up to a life support machine until during legal proceedings it slowly dawned on the relevant bodies just how grotesque that was? Maybe it's a documentary of some desperate female who was the victim of rape or incest trying to scrape together the funds to make the lonely trip over the water? Or maybe it's just women who don't want to be pregnant being trusted to have the mental capacity to make an informed decision on the risks to their bodies of abortion V the alternative risks to their bodies of pregnancy and birth - or just versus the fact the motivation to discontinue the pregnancy outweighs any of the surgical risks.

It should hardly need saying but one man's nth recital of his very vocal pro-life stance does not make a whole story...nor does it give a voice to the women involved who have to shoulder the long term affects, either way. Tell me that's okay.

GritBiscuit wrote: »

Is it a video of Savita Halappanaver or any of the other women the 8th has killed? Perhaps it's a video of the pregnant corpse of a woman hooked up to a life support machine until during legal proceedings it slowly dawned on the relevant bodies just how grotesque that was? Maybe it's a documentary of some desperate female who was the victim of rape or incest trying to scrape together the funds to make the lonely trip over the water? Or maybe it's just women who don't want to be pregnant being trusted to have the mental capacity to make an informed decision on the risks to their bodies of abortion V the alternative risks to their bodies of pregnancy and birth - or just versus the fact the motivation to discontinue the pregnancy outweighs any of the surgical risks.

It should hardly need saying but one man's nth recital of his very vocal pro-life stance does not make a whole story...nor does it give a voice to the women involved who have to shoulder the long term affects, either way. Tell me that's okay.

Is rape & incest such a problem in Ireland or is the majority of women going over not using contraception (its the males issue too) so are shirking there responsibility thus killing a life who has had no choice in being conceived & who's life is ended because of carelessness & lack of education

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

It's of course human cells, but its not a baby, you couldn't take it out put a baby grow on it and stick it in a crib, any more than you can take a cake out of the oven five minutes after putting it in plonk it on the table in front of your mother and say I made you a cake. With the right conditions you will have a cake, but at that moment in time all you have is a cake tin full of goop

kylith wrote: »

Yes, it is human tissue and human DNA, but it is not a person. One day it may be, but it is not and therefore the wishes of the actual person are more important.

Whether or not it's a baby or a person is a philosophical position, and it is often referred to in a social context as a baby. In a medical or scientific context it's called anything from a zygote to an embryo to a foetus. I agree with you that the wishes of the woman who is pregnant are important (I have to specify 'woman' in that context because some people are of the belief that human males can get pregnant. Odd, I know!), so if a woman decides to call it a baby, then I assume you'd respect that and wouldn't be trying to tell her what you think it should be referred to as.

There are a number of occasions where people have had to go to great lengths to have legal recognition given to their unborn, and the adamancy on display that anyone in conversation must use your terminology is making it all about you, not the woman who is pregnant.

I'm easy with whatever anyone wants to call it btw, I'll still understand what they're talking about, either in english, or a number of other languages. I'm not going to get hung up on insisting someone use any certain terminology for my benefit when it's their perspective is what's important.

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Would you ever actually shut up about the fecking unborn.

why. that's what the topic is mostly about.

January wrote: »

If they can afford it or have the right travel documents then they have options, if they don't, then **** em. Isn't that right?

Again, abortion is not a luxury. You've been told this over and over, you've read stories of countless women who've made a difficult decision for themselves and their families. Yet you still harp on about 'options' and 'luxuries' like they're headed on a shopping trip to London for the day.

i don't no . i never stated any such thing. that's just your twisting of what i said into what you wanted it to mean. you don't have the right to take the life of the unborn in this country bar extreme circumstances, that law is justified and i see no reason for changing it, given that where life is at stake the option is availible, and those who want it for other reasons can travel to the uk.