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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - ** MOD NOTE POST #4781 **

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  • #4142
    Burkie1203
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Personally how a player performs abroad means little to me.. Farrell has a lot to prove at Munster, not sure he is a top level 13.

    But Joe has invested a little time in him while he was abroad and is giving him a chance in camp now. He is most likely going to be a reliable back up as opposed to a top level first choice.


  • #4143
    Peregrine
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    Quoting is bad and you guys should feel bad.


  • #4144
    irishfan9
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Why in the name of God do people mix and match imperial and metric like this?

    wikipedia.


  • #4145
    Buer
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    connachta wrote: »
    3 or 4 games

    So, from around 75 matches you've watched him a few times and feel you're well placed to comment on how his stint went there for 3 years?

    Farrell was a central player for Grenoble when there. He's no world beater but he's very reliable, has good pace for a bloke of his size and is a strong defender. He's not going to be a major international but he was always marked out as a future international player from his underage days.


  • #4146
    irishfan9
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    But Joe has invested a little time in him while he was abroad and is giving him a chance in camp now. He is most likely going to be a reliable back up as opposed to a top level first choice.

    Joe loves big centres, getting him back in Ireland and capped ties him up and gives joe another option.

    All the provinces currently have IQ'd starting centres:

    Leinster: Henshaw/Ringrose
    Munster: Scannell/Farrell
    Ulster: McCloskey/Marshall
    Connacht: Farrell/Aki


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  • #4147
    irishfan9
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    Buer wrote: »
    He's not going to be a major international but he was always marked out as a future international player from his underage days.

    He was a potential star at underage level, but like recent Ulster centres is lacking something at the top level.


  • #4148
    Wegians89
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    Former Former wrote: »
    I have to say I haven't been impressed by Chris Farrell really. Good in the early rounds of the Pro14, not nearly as good in the bigger games.

    Tom Farrell just shouldn't be a topic for discussion on the Ireland thread.

    Why shouldn't tom Farrell be a topic for discussion, he's playing very well and is irish, granted I don't think he's international level yet but if he keeps coming along the way he is it'd be hard to ignore him. I don't mean people should be saying for him to start but he'd be in that second bracket of centres who could get called up to wider training squads like Marshall scannell mccloskary Chris Farrell


  • #4149
    Buer
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Why in the name of God do people mix and match imperial and metric like this?

    Irish people have started to get their heads around weight in kilograms in recent years mostly owing to fitness and sports. All the weights in our gyms our in kg so most people who visit gyms would have a reference for it.

    But we don't have any frame of reference for centimetres thus it's proving harder for people to shake the imperial measurements for height.

    Personally, I'm 18 hands.


  • #4150
    connachta
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    connachta wrote: »
    3 or 4 games

    Farrell played 75 times for Grenoble. You saw him 3 or 4 times and have concluded a connacht player should be picked ahead of him for Ireland.

    Give it up. You are just embarrassing yourself.
    No. 3 or 4 games are way enough to have an idea of what a player is capable of.
    And I don't say T.Farrell should be picked. Neither should for now.


  • #4151
    connachta
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Former Former wrote: »
    I have to say I haven't been impressed by Chris Farrell really. Good in the early rounds of the Pro14, not nearly as good in the bigger games.

    Tom Farrell just shouldn't be a topic for discussion on the Ireland thread.

    Why shouldn't tom Farrell be a topic for discussion, he's playing very well and is irish, granted I don't think he's international level yet but if he keeps coming along the way he is it'd be hard to ignore him. I don't mean people should be saying for him to start but he'd be in that second bracket of centres who could get called up to wider training squads like Marshall scannell mccloskary  Chris Farrell
    Exactly my POV


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  • #4152
    bennyl10
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    connachta wrote: »
    And he wasn't that good with Grenoble. Farrell is big. Not much more. Not much handling, steps etc. He's a decent province player, so Tom is (for now). TBH whatever they are I don't think we have to discuss the "fabulous 4" we have for midfield.
    It's already gonna be hard enough for most here to accept Bundee ahead of Ringrose :p
    (and for few others to admit Kearney is gonna be kept ahead of TOH :( )

    Farrell was top quality at Grenoble, his passing is up there with his physicality as one of his top assets.. hasn’t had a lot of chance to show it at Munster yet, but he should fit a Joe system very well..

    Conway also should be looked st got FB imo.. won’t happen but he’s not a bad option at 15 at all!


  • #4153
    Burkie1203
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    connachta wrote: »
    No. 3 or 4 games are way enough to have an idea of what a player is capable of.
    And I don't say T.Farrell should be picked. Neither should for now.

    A few weeks ago you dismissed Rob Herrings selection on the back of a good few months at the start of this season. Now you are claiming Chris Farrell shouldnt be picked because of 3 or 4 games you have seen him play in France out of 75 or so that he played.

    You also said the wrong Farrell was selected. So you absolutely did claim T Farrell should have been picked.


    Centres
    Ringrose, Aki, Henshaw, Payne, Marshall, Scannell, McCloskey, C Farrell.

    Looks to me like Joe is developing depth. He knows what Payne, Marshall and Ringrose bring. Scannell has been in camp amd will be again in future. He has rewarded McCloskeys form and rightly so. Now he wants to see if C Farrell can develop his game to be a decent back up option at least.

    We cant develop depth if we pick just 4 centres and stick with them for 2019.


  • #4154
    Former Former
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Why shouldn't tom Farrell be a topic for discussion, he's playing very well and is irish, granted I don't think he's international level yet but if he keeps coming along the way he is it'd be hard to ignore him. I don't mean people should be saying for him to start but he'd be in that second bracket of centres who could get called up to wider training squads like Marshall scannell mccloskary Chris Farrell

    Ah it's nothing against Tom Farrell as such, just we always get waaay ahead of ourselves on new guys with very few games. He's looked decent but the sample size is tiny. None of us have any idea what he's really like.

    He's certainly not at the level of McCloskey etc in terms of back up to the top four. Maybe he'll get there... but haven't Connacht just signed a Kiwi bloke to play the same position?


  • #4155
    Don Kiddick
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    Personally I expect Farrell to rip up trees tomorrow and put in a cracking performance


  • #4156
    irishfan9
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    Don Kiddick wrote: »
    Personally I expect Farrell to rip up trees tomorrow and put in a cracking performance

    it's fiji, so will it mean much?

    I just don't see him as being a top class 13, now at 12 maybe that would be a different story.


  • #4157
    Wegians89
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    I know it's not good to say it and hope it's not true but is it getting to the stage where paynes concussions could lead to an early retirement?


  • #4158
    irishfan9
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    I know it's not good to say it and hope it's not true but is it getting to the stage where paynes concussions could lead to an early retirement?

    yes.


  • #4159
    Burkie1203
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    it's fiji, so will it mean much?

    I just don't see him as being a top class 13, now at 12 maybe that would be a different story.

    Yes. It will. Joe will rewatch the game and will look for the things he wanted implemented. In many regards the scoreline wont match in the post match analysis.


  • #4160
    irishfan9
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Yes. It will. Joe will rewatch the game and will look for the things he wanted implemented. In many regards the scoreline wont match in the post match analysis.

    yes, it will be reviewed, but playing well at home against Fiji in the overall picture does not mean much when proving your quality at the highest level of the game.


  • #4161
    Wegians89
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    Former Former wrote: »
    Ah it's nothing against Tom Farrell as such, just we always get waaay ahead of ourselves on new guys with very few games. He's looked decent but the sample size is tiny. None of us have any idea what he's really like.

    He's certainly not at the level of McCloskey etc in terms of back up to the top four. Maybe he'll get there... but haven't Connacht just signed a Kiwi bloke to play the same position?

    Just on the sample size, that could be applied to Chris Farrell as many people are only seeing him since joining munster and he hasn't set the world alight. He has the potential to be a serious weapon though. Ah think mccloskey doesn't get what he has deserved internationally but there's just some boxes he mustn't tick for joe, yeah pita ahki it'll be interesting to see how Farrell aki and ahki go but having three quality centres will be no harm.


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  • #4162
    Wegians89
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    It's actually a good way of joe showing other exiles that if you come back you can be straight into the international picture


  • #4163
    irishfan9
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Just on the sample size, that could be applied to Chris Farrell as many people are only seeing him since joining munster and he hasn't set the world alight. He has the potential to be a serious weapon though. Ah think mccloskey doesn't get what he has deserved internationally but there's just some boxes he mustn't tick for joe, yeah pita ahki it'll be interesting to see how Farrell aki and ahki go but having three quality centres will be no harm.

    it will be a shame if Farrell stops starting in big games.


  • #4164
    Buer
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    connachta wrote: »
    No. 3 or 4 games are way enough to have an idea of what a player is capable of.

    Poppycock. Balderdash. Codswallop. If Brian O'Driscoll was assessed solely on his entire 2008 year, he wouldn't have been in the Irish team for the 2009 6N.

    There's no way you can assess what a player is capable of based on a few games especially when there's significant evidence to the contrary.


  • #4165
    [Deleted User]
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    The only fair way to resolve this is to have both Farrells produce a sample at the same time and we can then see which has the bigger sample size.

    I vote to appoint Connachta as chief sample collector.


  • #4166
    aloooof
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    yes, it will be reviewed, but playing well at home against Fiji in the overall picture does not mean much when proving your quality at the highest level of the game.

    It may sway Joe's selection in the Argentina game. I don't mean Farrell in particular, but minutes on the pitch clearly matter.


  • #4167
    Burkie1203
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    yes, it will be reviewed, but playing well at home against Fiji in the overall picture does not mean much when proving your quality at the highest level of the game.

    But did player x (farrell) do what we asked of him so that if he was to replace Henshaw on the starting XV next week he can slot in and do the job we need.


  • #4168
    Webbs
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    It will be interesting come the world cup how Ireland set up as a lot of countries are now looking at a 10 -12 playmaker, something that Schmidt is not looking at with his selections to date. (the pairing for the Fiji game shows a clear marker being set down?)


  • #4169
    Burkie1203
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    It's actually a good way of joe showing other exiles that if you come back you can be straight into the international picture

    But there has been communication with Farrell while he was at Grenoble.

    I would imagine the same communication is happening with Beirne.

    The lads come back home and get a shot in camp.


  • #4170
    prawnsambo
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    Webbs wrote: »
    It will be interesting come the world cup how Ireland set up as a lot of countries are now looking at a 10 -12 playmaker, something that Schmidt is not looking at with his selections to date. (the pairing for the Fiji game shows a clear marker being set down?)
    Well when Payne was selected, he was a playmaker from 13.


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  • #4171
    irishfan9
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    Webbs wrote: »
    It will be interesting come the world cup how Ireland set up as a lot of countries are now looking at a 10 -12 playmaker, something that Schmidt is not looking at with his selections to date. (the pairing for the Fiji game shows a clear marker being set down?)

    why should ireland follow the rest?

    also ireland don't have an obvious 12 playmaker to call upon.


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