Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Shirleysrumbler · 11-11-2017 05:56PM

ttowncat wrote: »

It's a good idea but i couldn't see the the city clubs going for it. Between city clubs watching each other as to how fairly and evenly they pick the teams, as well as parents within a club watching what team their darling is picked on i.e. the perceived stronger or weaker team, or who has the better mentors, or little jimmys friends are on the other team. If the country teams start winning games and championships then the city clubs wouldn't be long getting up in arms.

Co Board should promote the formation of two new clubs in City. One each side of river.
They could give James's park to team on Westside and Dunmore to team on Eastside. Ten years support could see teams produce their own players,coupled with defectors from existing clubs + blowins,teams could be decent juniors in that time.Since Village are now debt free,board could divert funding to these clubs and a few "Yummy Mummy Initiatives" aimed at doting parents the city might have say anew Intermediate and Junior club by 2030.

Powerhouse · 11-11-2017 05:59PM

In case anyone is looking for a night out for a worthy cause..............;)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/wellknown-dublin-pub-holds-appreciation-night-event-for-gaa-club-at-centre-of-lewd-photo-scandal-36305621.html

Comerman · 11-11-2017 10:54PM

Powerhouse wrote:

In case anyone is looking for a night out for a worthy cause..............

Mother of jazus, it's old news move on for fuk sake

Powerhouse · 12-11-2017 11:15AM

Comerman wrote: »

Mother of jazus, it's old news move on for fuk sake

The event was on last night and reported in yesterday's paper. Hardly old news in fairness.

Village87 · 13-11-2017 02:44PM

Galmoy/Windgap hammered Glenmore in the u14 B final and Slieverue in the u21 B South Final. Can someone explain to me how when clubs amalgamate are they not automatically made play in the A division. This seems the ideal secanario where these 2 clubs are beating teams in B easily

randd1 · 13-11-2017 06:51PM

Village87 wrote: »

Galmoy/Windgap hammered Glenmore in the u14 B final and Slieverue in the u21 B South Final. Can someone explain to me how when clubs amalgamate are they not automatically made play in the A division. This seems the ideal secanario where these 2 clubs are beating teams in B easily

Its an odd amalgamation anyway given the distance between the two areas.

But I wouldn't begrudge them any success at whatever level they play either, there's a reason they had to amalgamate in the first place, they were struggling to field teams themselves. So your caught in a scenario whereby (a) they either the amalgamated teams wins their way well through the divisions, (b) young lads don't represent their own area and have to play for other clubs because they can't field their own teams or (c) the young lads don't play at all. In that situation, I'm all for option (a).

As for their success, I refer to my previous comment of it being a strange amalgamation given the distance. There must be some effort put in by everyone just to arrange training because whether you're driving to Galmoy or Windgap, you're talking 30/40 minutes just to get there. That level of commitment and effort deserves rewards, fair play to them.

dubcat51 · 13-11-2017 06:59PM

In dublin if you join with another club you are put up a division.

randd1 · 13-11-2017 07:18PM

Shirleysrumbler wrote: »

Co Board should promote the formation of two new clubs in City. One each side of river.
They could give James's park to team on Westside and Dunmore to team on Eastside. Ten years support could see teams produce their own players,coupled with defectors from existing clubs + blowins,teams could be decent juniors in that time. Since Village are now debt free,board could divert funding to these clubs and a few "Yummy Mummy Initiatives" aimed at doting parents the city might have say a new Intermediate and Junior club by 2030.

Not a bad idea though I think you'd have to re-arrange the parish lines a bit as well to give a base to those new clubs.

As much as I don't think the town teams will go for it, and I don't blame them either given the work they put in, it would be good for the city and I think the county to have two more clubs, especially as the city is expanding.

No point in O'Loughlins, The Village and the Boro being able to field A, B & C teams when you could potentially have O'Loughlins, The Village and the Boro A & B teams and two other clubs fielding A and possibly B teams as well.

As more and more rural people in Kilkenny are moving to towns within the county, another point may to focus on the other urban centres. When you think of the population of Thomastown, Callan, Castlecomer & Graigunamanagh as parishes is well above two thousand in each of them, there's a missed opportunity thereand that's not to mention places like Mooncoin, Piltown and Ballyragget which have large enough rural populations compared to others clubs. Hell, you could even set up a Team in Ferrybank if you really wanted to (with the added bonus of annoying Waterford). The return from those clubs doesn't tend to be great but with 10 years investment, a few paid coaches at underage in those clubs, and use the city clubs structure of developing players (learn from the best) and you could see a serious shift in power away from the heavily populated city clubs to a more evenly distributed county scene.

The country clubs unfortunately will only continue to struggle as more and more people move away, but we could possibly could look at creating competitions exclusively for them and at the same time create divisional sides to allow the better players from smaller clubs to challenge at the highest level.

All of this is simply hypothetical and is well into the future, but I reckon all the same we're going to have start tackling the problem of shifting populations at some stage.

Village87 · 14-11-2017 10:26AM

dubcat51 wrote: »

In dublin if you join with another club you are put up a division.

That is a great rule. Any Clubs amalgamated should be Roinn A straight away. 2 big parishes combining like that should be well able for Roinn A

PeterCasey · 14-11-2017 10:51AM

Village87 wrote: »

That is a great rule. Any Clubs amalgamated should be Roinn A straight away. 2 big parishes combining like that should be well able for Roinn A

Why are they combining together is because they have not the numbers to go it alone, if they were two big parishes you wouldn't have this problem. Half of Galmoy parish is in Co Laois its the first bit of silverware they won fair play to the officals to try keep the thing going.

greenspurs · 14-11-2017 10:56AM

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-stars-need-new-hips-by-their-mid20s-34907149.html

Very worrying, and a direct results of Mentors and 'management teams' win at all costs attitude for all teams !!

corner back 2 · 14-11-2017 02:09PM

greenspurs wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-stars-need-new-hips-by-their-mid20s-34907149.html

Very worrying, and a direct results of Mentors and 'management teams' win at all costs attitude for all teams !!

Was talking talking to two 13 yr old who are doing strength and conditioning with their counties and also their clubs. Can't understand what counties are trying to achieve except to guarantee burnout for all but a few. Crazy carry on in my opinion - would think it should be skills, skills and more skills at that age.

northern lad · 14-11-2017 02:48PM

corner back 2 wrote: »

Was talking talking to two 13 yr old who are doing strength and conditioning with their counties and also their clubs. Can't understand what counties are trying to achieve except to guarantee burnout for all but a few. Crazy carry on in my opinion - would think it should be skills, skills and more skills at that age.

Should be nothing only skills at 13. Heard a mentor during the year suggesting that the sh-t be run out of a group of juveniles.

greenspurs · 14-11-2017 03:49PM

My own nephew (19) has hip trouble already.
Playing with club and secondary school, and was in Kilkenny development squads up to minor.
Weight training schedules, running , sit ups , gym sessions all scheduled for him from the age of 16 !!!
FFS what do these 'coaches' think they are at!? Clowns thinking the are Brian Cody, and using training techniques used for Senior hurlers on underage and minor !
Yeh okay, they are built like tanks, but can they hurl? or run even !!!!

PeterCasey · 14-11-2017 04:22PM

greenspurs wrote: »

My own nephew (19) has hip trouble already.
Playing with club and secondary school, and was in Kilkenny development squads up to minor.
Weight training schedules, running , sit ups , gym sessions all scheduled for him from the age of 16 !!!
FFS what do these 'coaches' think they are at!? Clowns thinking the are Brian Cody, and using training techniques used for Senior hurlers on underage and minor !
Yeh okay, they are built like tanks, but can they hurl? or run even !!!!

That's what is wrong with the underage coaching a lot of them are trying to do what Cody does. Its funny I have a nephew has a serious problem with his hip he was on the development squads up to minor .

greenspurs · 14-11-2017 05:01PM

PeterCasey wrote: »

That's what is wrong with the underage coaching a lot of them are trying to do what Cody does. Its funny I have a nephew has a serious problem with his hip he was on the development squads up to minor .

Well theres 2 examples already!
What 'training' do these coaches get? Who coaches the coaches ?

Why should any boy/girl under the age of 18 have to do weight training ? Just because some other coach, in some other club decided "our lads need to bulk up" , so the coach in the next parish decides and so on, and on .
Its a problem the GAA County Boards and Council itself should be taking seriously NOW.

dastardly00 · 14-11-2017 08:11PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Well theres 2 examples already!
What 'training' do these coaches get? Who coaches the coaches ?

Why should any boy/girl under the age of 18 have to do weight training ? Just because some other coach, in some other club decided "our lads need to bulk up" , so the coach in the next parish decides and so on, and on .
Its a problem the GAA County Boards and Council itself should be taking seriously NOW.

I think it's a problem that GAA HQ should be taking seriously NOW.

For teenagers to be having hip problems is absolutely ridiculous.
It's f**king criminal :mad:

dzer2 · 14-11-2017 08:23PM

greenspurs wrote: »

Well theres 2 examples already!
What 'training' do these coaches get? Who coaches the coaches ?

Why should any boy/girl under the age of 18 have to do weight training ? Just because some other coach, in some other club decided "our lads need to bulk up" , so the coach in the next parish decides and so on, and on .
Its a problem the GAA County Boards and Council itself should be taking seriously NOW.

I dont know if you have ever attended one of these sessions. I have several done and am qualified to take a senior team.

Some of the stuff is mental and dangerous, if you took a tenth of the info given at any one session of a course and implemented it you could kill a young lad. Most of the coach trainers are now trained in college, filled with stats and figures and book ideas with little common sense.
Anyone under 18 should only use their own weight to do exercises. A lot of lads doing weights at clubs are not core fit and are only working the outer muscles. Coached and shown what to do by a lad that never lifted a finger let a lone weights.

greenspurs · 15-11-2017 03:28PM

dzer2 wrote: »

I dont know if you have ever attended one of these sessions. I have several done and am qualified to take a senior team.

Some of the stuff is mental and dangerous, if you took a tenth of the info given at any one session of a course and implemented it you could kill a young lad. Most of the coach trainers are now trained in college, filled with stats and figures and book ideas with little common sense.
Anyone under 18 should only use their own weight to do exercises. A lot of lads doing weights at clubs are not core fit and are only working the outer muscles. Coached and shown what to do by a lad that never lifted a finger let a lone weights.

No, i havent.
Just curious to see what kind of tutoring the coaches are getting.
And you just confirmed what i had imagined it to be like .

bruschi · 15-11-2017 04:55PM

I think everyone perceives Strength & Condition to be some sort of weights program that is forced on kids. If that is what is happening, then it is obviously ridiculous. But the most of these should be stability and conditioning programs. ie balancing, strengthening muscles through small exercises etc with body weight only and improving basic core strength. The ABC's of training.

There is nothing wrong with that, and it should be encouraged as it will help those players who will be under undue pressure with games that they will be more conditioned and able to take the stress on their body. Now obviously I dont know what any other coaches are doing, but if they are using weights or doing more physical training than skills based training, then that is not good for overall development. But it is also wrong to say S&C is a load of crap and should be done away with.

I'd be very surprised to hear of development squads doing weights in any shape or form. Or even any specific running training. Can do enough physical work with the ball and develop skills with it.

blackcard · 15-11-2017 07:59PM

Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly will miss all the League next year and most if not all of the Leinster Championship next year as they will be on duty with the Irish Army in Lebanon. They arrive back in Ireland on May 18th . Kilkenny's matches will be on 13th, 20th, 27th of May and 9th of June so it will be unrealistic to expect them to be ready to take any part in these matches.
The only players you could state as likely to be on the starting team in the Championship next year are Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley and TJ Reid. Injury has hindered Richie Hogan while Padraig Walsh and Conor Fogarty had a dip in form. After that, it is pure guesswork at this stage.

Bonniedog · 15-11-2017 08:19PM

Current wisdom in all sports is that no-one 16 or under should be doing weights. It is not only interfering with natural development, but as posts above indicate is potentially damaging.

Irish Beef · 15-11-2017 10:50PM

I'm sure Richie Hogan, Padraig Walsh and Wally Walsh are also Likely starters next year, Probably Conor as well, we have to keep some stability to the team.

Village87 · 16-11-2017 10:54AM

blackcard wrote: »

Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly will miss all the League next year and most if not all of the Leinster Championship next year as they will be on duty with the Irish Army in Lebanon. They arrive back in Ireland on May 18th . Kilkenny's matches will be on 13th, 20th, 27th of May and 9th of June so it will be unrealistic to expect them to be ready to take any part in these matches.
The only players you could state as likely to be on the starting team in the Championship next year are Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley and TJ Reid. Injury has hindered Richie Hogan while Padraig Walsh and Conor Fogarty had a dip in form. After that, it is pure guesswork at this stage.

Thats essentially ruling them out until July next year by the time it takes to get back up to speed. Boys are not getting any younger either both 29 next year. Might not see to much of them in Kilkenny jerseys again

Village87 · 16-11-2017 10:57AM

Irish Beef wrote: »

I'm sure Richie Hogan, Padraig Walsh and Wally Walsh are also Likely starters next year, Probably Conor as well, we have to keep some stability to the team.

Really is a new team starting off, Need a lot of leadership from Wally and Padraig next year to go along with the leadership provided by Riche & TJ, Colin & Paul Murphy will be a loss in the leadership department. Have to see something from Conor Fogarty this year, thought he should have been on the bench last year, didnt really offer anything in the big matches

brookville · 16-11-2017 12:18PM

Village87 wrote: »

Really is a new team starting off, Need a lot of leadership from Wally and Padraig next year to go along with the leadership provided by Riche & TJ, Colin & Paul Murphy will be a loss in the leadership department. Have to see something from Conor Fogarty this year, thought he should have been on the bench last year, didnt really offer anything in the big matches

Probably bit unfair to single out fogarty when a lot of our bigger players struggled for form throughout the year but hopefully the summer off will help a few lads.
We already know there's a big rebuild on an things will be more difficult with out two more experienced players but the panel is back earlier and I'm sure the management will have a good look at everyone and hopefully the walsh cup is used to try lads there's no point playing tj or hogan in december.
Bit of craic but a Team I'd like to see in the walsh cup something like although the county probably don't get lads college tied and not known fully who's in.
Darren brennan
Conor delaney,tom alyward,doheny
Jason cleere,richie reid,conor o shea
Darren mullen,scanlon
Leahy,donnelly,Billy ryan
John walsh,bolger,conor martin.
Granted a lot of the above are the u21 squad this year by a lot of them will be blooded next year,I dont know if john power is back or not hopefully he is but I've heard his not.

Village87 · 16-11-2017 01:30PM

brookville wrote: »

Probably bit unfair to single out fogarty when a lot of our bigger players struggled for form throughout the year but hopefully the summer off will help a few lads.
We already know there's a big rebuild on an things will be more difficult with out two more experienced players but the panel is back earlier and I'm sure the management will have a good look at everyone and hopefully the walsh cup is used to try lads there's no point playing tj or hogan in december.
Bit of craic but a Team I'd like to see in the walsh cup something like although the county probably don't get lads college tied and not known fully who's in.
Darren brennan
Conor delaney,tom alyward,doheny
Jason cleere,richie reid,conor o shea
Darren mullen,scanlon
Leahy,donnelly,Billy ryan
John walsh,bolger,conor martin.
Granted a lot of the above are the u21 squad this year by a lot of them will be blooded next year,I dont know if john power is back or not hopefully he is but I've heard his not.

Conor Martin still there ? It must be true when people are saying Cody is gone soft

brookville · 16-11-2017 02:09PM

Village87 wrote: »

Conor Martin still there ? It must be true when people are saying Cody is gone soft

I'm not sure if his there or not but I agree I don't think his up to it although he done well against dublin last year in the league but he wasn't making the squad near the end of the summer,what other fowards are out there after looking at the club championship?
Hopefully lads like hogan and aylward can clear up their injuries because both were vital to us two years ago when we won the all ireland

Village87 · 16-11-2017 02:35PM

brookville wrote: »

I'm not sure if his there or not but I agree I don't think his up to it although he done well against dublin last year in the league but he wasn't making the squad near the end of the summer,what other fowards are out there after looking at the club championship?
Hopefully lads like hogan and aylward can clear up their injuries because both were vital to us two years ago when we won the all ireland

We need lads who are flying with there clubs. Emeralds have won only a handful of junior matches over the last 2 years.

tbiggertycome · 16-11-2017 06:40PM

Well I think Kevin Kelly has really blossomed this year for his club and seems to have finally bulked out and can handle the physical stuff he will be a big addition when he comes back from the club.
My stab at a Walsh cup match.
R Reid
E Cody, C Delaney, J Holden
C Doheny, C Buckley, C O'Neill
C Fogarty, O Walsh
R Leahy, W Walsh, B Ryan
B Sheehan, L Blanchfield, J Donnelly

I stuck in a few veterans just to give them a bit of stability and experience you can easily name a full 15 without any veterans. You'd hardly know I'm from the Boro would ya?

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