Ryanair to commence Kerry - Berlin SXF route

IngazZagni · 02-03-2017 11:03PM

This is the conspiracy theory I'm talking about. Why would they kill off a route that is performing strongly when they are adding another 40 or so aircraft to the fleet this year?
For what it's worth, Faro is moving into the original slot for Berlin on Mondays and Fridays this summer. Perhaps they feel they can make more money this way.

JCX BXC · 04-03-2017 02:01PM

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is the conspiracy theory I'm talking about. Why would they kill off a route that is performing strongly when they are adding another 40 or so aircraft to the fleet this year?
For what it's worth, Faro is moving into the original slot for Berlin on Mondays and Fridays this summer. Perhaps they feel they can make more money this way.

Ryanair have done it time and time again, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory, it's almost factual.

One very good question for you, why would Ryanair move it's strongest performing European route from Shannon (Krakow) to a TUE/SAT time slot and keep Wroclaw, a much lesser performing route on a MON/FRI time slot.

Why would Ryanair switch Nantes, a long time running and sucessful route with the rural Poititers (To which even Dublin didn't have flights to at the time) and then drop the route swiftly when it didn't preform well at all?

No efforts are made with these routes. Maybe the sweetheart deal is no longer as sweet and the new CEO isn't indulging Ryanair any longer?

IngazZagni · 04-03-2017 03:56PM

As I alluded to, Faro switches to a Shannon based aircraft and slots into the Monday and Friday slot. There are only 2 based aircraft. Not every flight can operate on the busiest days.
As for the French flights, Ryanair has a very small presence at both airports operating about 3 routes each, a couple being domestic or Morrocco flights. It could be more of a lack of subsidies being offered on the French side rather than the Shannon side.

I still feel Ryanair purposely making their flights unprofitable because they don't agree with Shannon management seems a bit ridiculous. They would simply just drop them.

JCX BXC · 04-03-2017 04:00PM

Faro was unbased until this year.

IngazZagni · 04-03-2017 04:16PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

Faro was unbased until this year.

Probably switched to help facilitate the 9 or so new routes from Faro this summer.

embraer170 · 05-03-2017 10:17PM

SXF 15:00 16:35 KIR THU, SAT
KIR 17:00 20:35 SXF THU, SAT

The Hahn-Kerry winter schedule changes too:

HHN 10:25 11:35 KIR MON
HHN 17:45 18:55 KIR FRI

KIR 12:00 15:00 HHN MON
KIR 19:20 22:20 HHN FRI

737max · 06-03-2017 03:02PM

Looks like I won't be flying in to Kerry again then.
Service from Hahn to pretty much anywhere in Ireland has been pretty much ripped to shreds.
I'd travel via Hahn if the times and days were any way reasonable.

JCX BXC · 12-03-2017 10:45AM

Bookable now.

ongarboy · 01-11-2017 09:24PM

Launched on Oct 29th and extended into next summer driven by healthy advance bookings!

http://www.radiokerry.ie/tourism-boost-kerry-ryanair-extends-new-kerry-berlin-service-summer-2018/

JCX BXC · 01-11-2017 09:28PM

ongarboy wrote: »

Launched yesterday and extended into next summer driven by healthy advance bookings!

It launched 3 days ago and on the 29th.

It would be highly unusual for Ryanair to cut a route after a winter of operation.

Mr rebel · 03-11-2017 03:47AM

Booked my cheapest flight ever with the outbound flight from Kerry to Schönefeld for just €15....delighted with that

embraer170 · 03-11-2017 08:14AM

embraer170 wrote: »

SXF 15:00 16:35 KIR THU, SAT
KIR 17:00 20:35 SXF THU, SAT

The Hahn-Kerry winter schedule changes too:

HHN 10:25 11:35 KIR MON
HHN 17:45 18:55 KIR FRI

KIR 12:00 15:00 HHN MON
KIR 19:20 22:20 HHN FRI

HHN-KIR-HHN has been moved back to the old schedule on Fridays for the rest of the winter schedule. It must have been having an impact on bookings.

JCX BXC · 03-11-2017 10:38AM

embraer170 wrote: »

HHN-KIR-HHN has been moved back to the old schedule on Fridays for the rest of the winter schedule. It must have been having an impact on bookings.

I'm not following your logic here, was the last time table on the same day better at attracting passengers?

Doltanian · 03-11-2017 06:22PM

Its very late to arrive into Hahn and there is a two hour coach journey to Frankfurt and Mainz after. The times are very antisocial really and you must get up very early on the Monday morning to get the coach and to allow enough time to arrive there on time.

Mr rebel · 13-11-2017 06:12PM

The flight to Berlin from Kerry on Thursday wasn't full by any means...lots of empty seats in the first five rows, in fact I had a whole row to myself and even the one across from me was completely empty.
I hope the route is successful as it's a joy to fly from Kerry airport.

Sikpupi · 13-11-2017 08:07PM

Mr rebel wrote: »

The flight to Berlin from Kerry on Thursday wasn't full by any means...lots of empty seats in the first five rows, in fact I had a whole row to myself and even the one across from me was completely empty.
I hope the route is successful as it's a joy to fly from Kerry airport.

That could still mean a load of 150++ which is an 80% Load Factor.

Am sure Ryanair wont snub that for the 2nd week in November on a startup route.

JCX BXC · 13-11-2017 08:16PM

Sikpupi wrote: »

That could still mean a load of 150++ which is an 80% Load Factor.

Am sure Ryanair wont snub that for the 2nd week in November on a startup route.

Well, someone's really trying to be the most optimistic they can!

While it is a start up route, Ryanair would have no problem snipping it from next winter (or perhaps March if it performs really badly).

737max · 13-11-2017 08:23PM

Mr rebel wrote: »

The flight to Berlin from Kerry on Thursday wasn't full by any means...lots of empty seats in the first five rows, in fact I had a whole row to myself and even the one across from me was completely empty.
I hope the route is successful as it's a joy to fly from Kerry airport.

if people were going to be travelling they'd have been travelling from 28th Oct to 1st November which was a very long weekend in Germany(with bridging day). That weekend was enough to destroy load on planes out of Germany for the rest of November.

Sikpupi · 13-11-2017 09:51PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

Well, someone's really trying to be the most optimistic they can!

While it is a start up route, Ryanair would have no problem snipping it from next winter (or perhaps March if it performs really badly).

Agreed.... but you can say that about any Ryanair route. If the numbers don't book then no one can blame them for pulling. So it's a case of waiti & see.

embraer170 · 13-11-2017 10:24PM

Winter was really not the best time to launch the route.

Kerry airport are doing quite a bit to promote the route: a roadshow to the travel agencies in Kerry to advertise Berlin as a destination, attempts to sell the route at travel events in Germany, some social media work... I am not convinced it will be enough.

Not that it changes anything but Ryanair's new COO was Kerry airport general manager in the 1990s.

Sikpupi · 13-11-2017 11:24PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Winter was really not the best time to launch the route.

Kerry airport are doing quite a bit to promote the route: a roadshow to the travel agencies in Kerry to advertise Berlin as a destination, attempts to sell the route at travel events in Germany, some social media work... I am not convinced it will be enough.

Not that it changes anything but Ryanair's new COO was Kerry airport general manager in the 1990s.

I don't know..... the Germans have a Gra for Kerry and if Kerry can get it to the Summer months - I think the German market will fill it. Ryanair have the hots for Germany again and the WAW is heavily advertised over there... so it could be a good fit.

embraer170 · 13-11-2017 11:34PM

Even Hahn-Kerry struggles in winter despite the fact that it has been running for years now (15 or more?) and serves a massive catchment area on the German side. Loads tend to be good but fares shockingly low. Also, now that there are more options from Dublin to Frankfurt (Main), Cologne etc. (operated daily or more), I know quite a few who prefer to travel to Dublin on the Irish side rather than struggle with Hahn and its low frequency.

I really want to be positively surprised and see the Berlin flight succeed but I still have some doubts.

Ryanair to commence Kerry - Berlin SXF route

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