Grieving family claim friend of dead brother is using suicide note....

Deleted User wrote:

I've already told my mother that if anything happens me, I want everything to go to my girlfriend after the costs of getting me back to Ireland. I like to think they wouldn't tell her to get stuffed.

Not enough, you need to put it in a will

Deleted User wrote: »

Telling your mother is of no use. If you die intestate, your girlfriend won't get a cent.

A will costs €100 to €200, there really is no excuse for not having one. No sympathy for anyone whose estate gets chewed up in legal fees because they were too busy/mean to make a will.

Bit of an odd statement that, considering the person you have no sympathy for is, in theory, dead!!! I'm not too sure they will care about your lack of sympathy as they'll be too busy, you know, being dead like. Bit of a cold out look on things don't you think? I agree with your point that its important to have a will in place but there are any number of reasons why people might not have gotten around to it, especially young people who die suddenly in tragic circumstances. Life is not that straight forward. Not getting around to something that may not seem overly important at the time (e.g. a young person in seemingly good health) does not always mean being too busy or being mean.

To imply that someone (I remind, who's dead) essentially deserves to have whatever amount of their estate, whether that be modest or substantial, hovered up by the legal profession while a grieving family tries to sort out things in the absence of a will, is a really strange statement to be honest. And to suggest that this is due to being too busy or mean is equally bizarre.

So a young person heading out to work in the morning....keys - check, phone - check, will in place - oops, better not let myself get run down by a drunk driver or else i'll deserve all additional misery heaped on my family for not having a will in place.....silly person!

Yes, we should all have a will but I think that's a pretty low blow of a statement.....

Deleted User wrote: »

Erm, think you picked that up wrong. I was responding to the idea that telling someone about ones wishes instead of making a will was appropriate, not ruminating on life and death.

How did I pick you up wrong? Genuine question...you said you have no sympathy for someone who's estate is picked over by solicitors when they were too busy/mean to have a will. But not having a will is only ever a problem when the person who should have had one is, you know, dead. So you basically don't have sympathy for a dead person, who could have died young tragically, just because they didn't get around to having a will probably because they didn't think they'd need it that day. Not to mention the hassle it brings to a grieving family. Seems like a cold outlook on what is a valid point, and lacking in empathy. Or am I missing something here?

Deleted User wrote: »

I think so.

You are referring to a death. I am referring to the presence or absence of a will.

I don't think so in that case. You may have meant that but you phrased it wrong.....read your statement again....here it is:

"No sympathy for anyone whose estate gets chewed up in legal fees because they were too busy/mean to make a will."

The "anyone" and "they" (same person) you refer to above who you have no sympathy for is a dead person because in my basic understanding of life and death, you can't leave behind an estate to be chewed up by lawyer unless you are DEAD! The chewing can't happen until you are dead....

Anyway, its not really relevant to the thread....I was just alarmed by the coldness of the statement....

Tigger wrote: »

you can buy life indurance and once there is a waiting period covered you will be covered, i assume because they reccon you didnt already plan it

btw many suicides in this country are recorded as accidents

No they’re not. They’re recorded as Person Misadventures.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's not theirs to begin with. If he wanted to leave it to his friend/partner/whoever then that's what should happen.

100% agree with this however if the family legally contest it then if no will is in place that suicide note isn't really worth the paper its wrote on unfortunately I'd say the family will win the case I'd say not that it's right

server down wrote: »

It’s actually odd that he had life insurance. He had no mortgage, dependents etc.

He as in Australia wasn't he? In Australia superannuation is compulsory and along with most super accounts you can also have death cover and total/permanent disability insurance attached for a small deduction. The amounts involved can be significant. I am Australian, and while i now live in Ireland, I have maintained this. It's sombering to know I'm worth a s*&^ load more dead than I am alive:eek:

Someone also mentioned insurance not paying out in the cases of suicide. As long as the waiting period has been served (generally 12months) they will pay out. A friend's young husband (in NZ) took his own life a few years ago and she received a lump sum as well as payments for the kids every fortnight until they are 18.