Grieving family claim friend of dead brother is using suicide note....

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 11-11-2017 09:35PM #1

I was reading this news article in the Indo this evening. A 'grieving family claim friend of dead brother is using suicide note to get his life insurance.'

Why would the family believe it's 'their money'? While it must be a very difficult time for his facility, is their claim just plain greed ?

The chap was suffering from depression but left a note to leave everything to his friend. Why do the parents believe it belongs to them?

A quote "I don't understand why this friend is trying to take the money that Paul left behind from us." It sounds like he didn't want them to have it.

What are your thoughts AH?

The_Valeyard · 11-11-2017 09:37PM

I honestly thought that if a person was unfortunate enough to commit suicide, that would void any insurance you had?

Tigger · 11-11-2017 09:38PM

Killian Brief Jukebox wrote: »

I was reading this news article in the Indo this evening. A 'grieving family claim friend of dead brother is using suicide note to get his life insurance.'

Why would the family believe it's 'their money'? While it must be a very difficult time for his facility, is their claim just plain greed ?

The chap was suffering from depression but left a note to leave everything to his friend. Why do the parents believe it belongs to them?

A quote "I don't understand why this friend is trying to take the money that Paul left behind from us." It sounds like he didn't want them to have it.

What are your thoughts AH?

can you change the benificary in a suicide note?

Tigger · 11-11-2017 09:38PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I honestly thought that if a person was unfortunate enough to commit suicide, that would void any insurance you had?

no there is a waiting period but after that you are gtg

alchemist33 · 11-11-2017 09:39PM

A suicide note doesnt count as a will.

Tigger · 11-11-2017 09:40PM

i'd bet a large amount that the friend is acually the partner

Tigger · 11-11-2017 09:41PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

A suicide note doesnt count as a will.

its not a will its survivorship

which is different
however it still probably wont count

Vela · 11-11-2017 09:42PM

Whoever he left the money to is who it should go to. We don't know what the story was with his family and we'll only ever hear one side of it. He made his wishes clear.

Goat of Lochmarne Castle · 11-11-2017 09:48PM

Unless his suicide note was signed by 2 witnesses (who can't be named beneficiaries) then it's worthless from a legal pov.
He probably died intestate meaning the State will distribute his assets according to law.

edit - just read this happened in Australia, which complicates the matters somewhat for his family.

Gatling · 11-11-2017 09:51PM

Pretty sad situation ,

Hopefully a court settles it quickly so the family can get on with their greving

soups05 · 11-11-2017 10:40PM

if his friend was that close then let him pay for the funeral costs etc. the family are struggling with money due to this so let them have it and the friend can get stuffed.

heldel00 · 11-11-2017 10:44PM

This is a private family matter and is disgusting that they are willing to discuss it publicly and look like moneygrabbers.

spurious · 11-11-2017 10:47PM

Tigger wrote: »

i'd bet a large amount that the friend is acually the partner

That was my first thought too. Perhaps they didn't know him as well as they thought. Sad case for all involved though. Terrible it has been dragged into the papers.

arayess · 11-11-2017 11:11PM

legality aside. Let the courts fight that out if needs be.
But its' clear what the lads wishes are.

The families "woe is me" attitude stinks, they are upset may lose a claim on this money and that's it.
Stuff like this done in public lacks dignity.

The link for donate to the legal fund at the end of the article was vomit inducing

Guy:Incognito · 11-11-2017 11:15PM

arayess wrote: »

The link for donate to the legal fund at the end of the article was vomit inducing

Every ****er is at that these days. As soon As something happens the first thing done is set up a go fund me to get strangers to pay for it.

Del2005 · 11-11-2017 11:21PM

Gatling wrote: »

Pretty sad situation ,

Hopefully a court settles it quickly so the family can get on with their greving

One of the longest running court cases was over a millionaire's fortunes will. It eventually ended after several decades when the money ran out. The only people who won were the legal teams.

Families, death and fighting over money never ends well.

pauliebdub · 11-11-2017 11:30PM

arayess wrote: »

The link for donate to the legal fund at the end of the article was vomit inducing

The Indo online seems to be one go fund me article after another these days. Stuff like this should be kept private, it's totally undignified.

buried · 11-11-2017 11:32PM

Killian Brief Jukebox wrote: »

What are your thoughts AH?

The Irish Independent is nothing but a rotten trash rag that even a demented plague ridden rat wouldn't take a $hit on. It and it's tabloid clickbait trash gossip can f**k off to the seventh circle of total absolute Hell.

Oldtree · 12-11-2017 12:04AM

Just an awful story. Can't understand people washing their dirty laundry in public and trying to get people onside. Just sad all round on so many levels.

The_Valeyard · 12-11-2017 02:40AM

Tigger wrote: »

no there is a waiting period but after that you are gtg

How does not work. Would they not declare it fraud? Say killing yourself for life insurance payout to make family financial secure. Or you mean oassing3 ownership or car and house?

Birneybau · 12-11-2017 02:43AM

buried wrote: »

Killian Brief Jukebox wrote: »

What are your thoughts AH?

The Irish Independent is nothing but a rotten trash rag that even a demented plague ridden rat wouldn't take a $hit on. It and it's tabloid clickbait trash gossip can f**k off to the seventh circle of total absolute Hell.

Clickbait tabloid trash leads to clickbait threads...

12-11-2017 07:31AM

soups05 wrote: »

if his friend was that close then let him pay for the funeral costs etc. the family are struggling with money due to this so let them have it and the friend can get stuffed.

If he wanted his friend to have it, then let him have it. It's a dying man's wish after all. But the costs of getting the body back and funeral etc. should come from it first.

I've already told my mother that if anything happens me, I want everything to go to my girlfriend after the costs of getting me back to Ireland. I like to think they wouldn't tell her to get stuffed.

Annasopra · 12-11-2017 08:21AM

Vela wrote: »

Whoever he left the money to is who it should go to. We don't know what the story was with his family and we'll only ever hear one side of it. He made his wishes clear.

A note is not a will though

denismc · 12-11-2017 08:54AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

A note is not a will though

There was a case in Australia where an unsent text was accepted as a legal will, not sure if that would be allowed here though.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41580970

munster87 · 12-11-2017 08:55AM

buried wrote: »

The Irish Independent is nothing but a rotten trash rag that even a demented plague ridden rat wouldn't take a $hit on. It and it's tabloid clickbait trash gossip can f**k off to the seventh circle of total absolute Hell.

No need to hold back!

IvyTheTerrible · 12-11-2017 10:03AM

And this is exactly why, if at all possible, you should give your money to the desired recipients before you die.

Ralf and Florian · 12-11-2017 10:11AM

Del2005 wrote: »

One of the longest running court cases was over a millionaire's fortunes will. It eventually ended after several decades when the money ran out. The only people who won were the legal teams.

Families, death and fighting over money never ends well.

There was a fictional case in Dickens Bleak House that has given it's name to these kind of unending legal proceedings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarndyce_and_Jarndyce

Atoms for Peace · 12-11-2017 10:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If he wanted his friend to have it, then let him have it. It's a dying man's wish after all. But the costs of getting the body back and funeral etc. should come from it first.

I've already told my mother that if anything happens me, I want everything to go to my girlfriend after the costs of getting me back to Ireland. I like to think they wouldn't tell her to get stuffed.

Under the law if you die without a will your parents are entirely entitled to tell her get stuffed.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 12-11-2017 10:40AM

Goat of Lochmarne Castle wrote: »

Unless his suicide note was signed by 2 witnesses (who can't be named beneficiaries) then it's worthless from a legal pov.
He probably died intestate meaning the State will distribute his assets according to law.

edit - just read this happened in Australia, which complicates the matters somewhat for his family.

And there has been a recent case where an unsent text message on a dead persons phone was considered his last will and testiment so I believe a signed suicide note would actually hold more water than an unsent message.

Either way the family are not being respectful to their sons wishes.

Edit: as far as I was aware life assurance policies do not pay out if the death is by suicide?

It would be utterly ridiculous if they did, how can someone take out a policy for X amount payable on their death and then kill themselves triggering an instant and full payout of the policy? Surely no insurance company offers such a life assurance policy anywhere in the world!!

12-11-2017 10:40AM

Why did his sister take it upon herself to buy flights for family members? Why should that be paid for from the deceased’s estate? Paying for the funeral is another thing. Did they overrule the friend and go for a massively expensive one? If a lawyer thought they had a case, the question of payment up front wouldn’t arise.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 12-11-2017 10:42AM

buried wrote: »

The Irish Independent is nothing but a rotten trash rag that even a demented plague ridden rat wouldn't take a $hit on. It and it's tabloid clickbait trash gossip can f**k off to the seventh circle of total absolute Hell.

Could I interest you in a yearly subscription to the Indo on-line perhaps?

Grieving family claim friend of dead brother is using suicide note....

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