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Would Ireland follow Europe's Lead in Aborting the Huge Majority of Down Syndrome Pos

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  • #2
    Gerrup Outta Dat!
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    Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »
    A non-invasive test for Down Syndrome is now being offered by public health care in some Northern European countries.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/down-syndrome-ireland-blasts-prenatal-testing-34969733.html

    This improves on previous methods of testing as being non-intrusive & 99% accurate.

    Now we all like to think of ourselves as loving beings but what are the facts so far with parents receiving the prognosis.

    In Iceland 100% of parents opted to abort
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/babies-with-down-syndrome-deserve-love-not-eradication

    In Denamrk that figure is 98%
    http://www.lifenews.com/2017/03/28/denmark-wants-total-elimination-of-people-with-down-syndrome-aborts-98-of-babies/

    In the Uk that figure is at 90% of those who have the test
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37500189

    I'm interested if firstly this test would be accepted in Ireland & if it were then what would our respective termination figure be.
    Us Irish have a long & proud history on how we accept & view people with down syndrome so could we be a special case & break the trend.

    Hitler would be proud.


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    sbsquarepants
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    Godwin'd in the very first reply.

    Impressive!


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    Grayson
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2803834/I-wish-d-aborted-son-ve-spent-47-years-caring-s-shocking-admission-read-judge.html

    You should also read that.


  • #6
    Wombatman
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    The Genocide of Down Syndrome children in Nothern Europe, perhaps coming soon

    You have to be born and grow a bit to qualify as a child. Could you change the red top headline please.


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  • #7
    Hooks Golf Handicap
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    Grayson wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2803834/I-wish-d-aborted-son-ve-spent-47-years-caring-s-shocking-admission-read-judge.html

    You should also read that.


    That's a real walk in my shoes eye opener, very brave lady


  • #8
    Hector Savage
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    How is it genocide if its an early pregnancy termination ?
    No one is forcing the woman to have an abortion - her body, her choice .


  • #9
    amcalester
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Godwin'd in the very first reply.

    Impressive!

    Same poster Godwined his own thread in the title before.


  • #10
    Shurimgreat
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    I'd imagine its a very tough decision for potential parents and one they don't take lightly. However it should be the parents decision alone on what they should do as ultimately they will have to raise the child.


  • #11
    Hector Savage
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    Grayson wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2803834/I-wish-d-aborted-son-ve-spent-47-years-caring-s-shocking-admission-read-judge.html

    You should also read that.


    Great article, and brave woman too - it's so tough.
    These pro lifers (anti women-ers) fail to see the difficult lives ahead for everyone involved - they also tend not to give a sh*t once the child is born.


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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
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    In one sense I think it's sad that people are singled out because of things like DS. In a much larger sense I hope I would never be part of making such a decision and have a pretty strong idea what side I'd fall on.


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    ThisRegard
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    Such a test is already available in hospitals in Ireland and is availed of.


  • #14
    feargale
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Godwin'd in the very first reply.

    Impressive!

    And Godwin in the second.


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  • #16
    BrokenArrows
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    Down Syndrome isnt some race of people to destroy. Its a condition which has huge implications on the child and the parents.

    What you describe is a test which allows parents to know if their child will be born with a condition that prevents them from living a normal life and also which prevents that child from maturing and being independent from the parents.

    I know that if i knew my child would be born with Downs then i would absolutely terminate. I couldn't imagine myself being a 70 year old aging father and still having to take care of my child.

    Downs isnt just a visual and mental condition. It comes with a host of other medical problems too.


  • #17
    biko
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    Abortion is not genocide, please stop being so alarmist


  • #18
    harr
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    As a parent with a child with DS I still think it’s a woman’s choice what she wants to do...yes a lot of kids and adults with DS function very well but like our case a lot of kids with DS have more severe symptoms and not to mention the other health issues that come with DS.
    Normally charities and campaigners will always show examples of high functioning people with DS, rarely do we see the more severe cases...and expectant mothers really need to weigh up the facts before making that decision..both financially and emotionally not everyone is cut out to be a parent of a special needs child..


  • #19
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    Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »
    Us Irish have a long & proud history on how we accept & view people with down syndrome so could we be a special case & break the trend.

    Hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

    We have no long & proud history. Down syndrome people were usually locked up in asylums. It's only in the past.. maybe 20 years.. that this has changed for the better.


  • #20
    asteroids over berlin
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    Depends on the situation really, you have to think of the future. All beings are equal and all that. Parenthood is a life changing experience (i am a father), it is a joy, best thing ever, however it is also hard work, particularly in today's fast paced society.
    Bringing a child with DS into the world will also be a joy but i imagine it will be a whole lot tougher (for the child and parents), then you have to think of the future, when you guys aren't around, what happens then, these days DS adults are pretty independent, have jobs, friends etc which is fantastic but for me personally the mental worry would affect me a great deal. I guess it depends on the person.
    It is not an easy decision to make being a parent, particularly for the mother to terminate etc - in fact it must be truly awful. I hope we never have to make that decision. I agree with having the option of the test though


  • #21
    c_man
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    Eugenics and abortion hand in hand? Colour me shocked.


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  • #22
    Grayson
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    Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »
    That's a real walk in my shoes eye opener, very brave lady

    That's the thing. It's not a simple answer. I've known many people who have downs. And the vast majority are lovely. But you don't see the really serious cases.
    If I was told I was going to have a child with downs I honestly don't know what I'd do. But I know I'd want the option.


  • #23
    Hooks Golf Handicap
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    biko wrote: »
    Abortion is not genocide, please stop being so alarmist

    It's the targeted termination of a subset of people who share a common trait.
    My sensationalist, yet accurate, headline stands.


  • #24
    yesto24
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

    We have no long & proud history. Down syndrome people were usually locked up in asylums. It's only in the past.. maybe 20 years.. that this has changed for the better.

    That is just not true


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
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    You could be waiting a while then. :pac:
    There's too many things to take into account IMO. As a guy it wouldn't be up to me, my job would be to figure out what the mother wanted and to go along with it. :pac: Realistically though I wouldn't want a severely handicapped kid, for my own selfish reasons along with the effect on the mother and on other kids if they are around. But like I said, it's something I hope I never have to be part of.


  • #26
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    c_man wrote: »
    Eugenics and abortion hand in hand? Colour me shocked.
    Murder and air hand in hand? Colour me shocked.

    Wow that's easy.


  • #27
    CalamariFritti
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    Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »
    It's the targeted termination of a subset of people who share a common trait.
    My sensationalist, yet accurate, headline stands.

    Only it’s before they become people. It’s a sh1t stirrer headline.


  • #28
    c_man
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    It's only in the past.. maybe 20 years.. that this has changed for the better.

    That's bolloX tbh. 35 years ago we had a care home in our estate, with plenty of DS people in it and it was well established by then. It was nice having them live in, and be part of the local community. The nurses/carers there were something else.


  • #29
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Godwin'd in the very first reply.

    Impressive!
    Did you miss the thread about phone boxes where he Godwinned it in the title...?!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #30
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    I think it's rather easy for people to get on their moral high ground or pedestal about situations they won't have to experience themselves.

    Many parents already find the costs in raising 'normal' children to be very high. Now, add in the costs (monetary, and emotional) for a child with a severe disability... I also think it's best to bear in mind that this potential child with the disability will need help for most of their lives. It's not like a child growing up and leaving the home at 21. It makes sense to give potential parents the choice to decide whether they can actually afford to have such a child.


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  • #31
    Akrasia
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    thalidomide babies were genocided decades ago when we stopped giving that drug to pregnant women

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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