Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

usualstripes wrote: »

Sorry.A few typos there.

Ger malone included too afaik

2018 will be a difficult year I think... We're right in the throes of rebuilding. All players mentioned are good at club level but we've got to be patient here. Inter county will be a step too far for so many mentioned above. Huge gulf between Dublin's best club side and our best yesterday.... Our legends will never be replaced and ordinary is where we are now but whenever it is we'll enjoy the next All Ireland!! We were spoilt

Village87 wrote: »

Are Kilkenny allowed collective training in late October/early November.. Or are they allowed back training early as they were elimated in July

The following is from this Irish Times article (published December 2nd, 2016):

Exit June: Commence Training November 15th.
Exit July/All-Ireland Quarter-Finals: Commence Training December 1st.
Exit August/All-Ireland Semi-Finals: Commence Training December 8th.
Exit September (excluding All-Ireland Semi-Finals): Commence Training December 9th.

So that would mean that KK are not allowed to resume collective training until December 1st... unless the rules were changed this year?

usualstripes wrote: »

1 Eoin Murphy
2 Paul Murphy
3 Joey Holden
4 Joe Lyng
5 Padraig walsh
6 Cillian Buckley
7 Jason Cleere
8 Conor Fogarty
9 Paddy Deegan
10 Walsh Walsh
11 TJ Reid
12 Richie leahy
13 Billy Ryan
14 Colin Fennelly
15 Richie hogan
16 Michael Fennelly
17 Darren Mullen
18 Conor Delaney
19 John Donnelly
20 James Maher
21 Sean Morrissey
22 Michael Aylward
23 Tommy Walsh
24 Simon Aylward
25 Luke Scanlon
26 Pat Lyng
27 Michael Cody
28 Alan Murphy
29 Shane Walsh
30 Oisin Hough
31 Eoin Hough
32 Martin Gaffney
33 Bill Sheet an
34 Michael Mansfield
35 Michael Malone
36 Chris Bolger
37 Lester Ryan
38 Joe Cuddihy
39 Ronan Corcoran
40 Kevin Kelly
41 Ollie Walsh
42 Mark Bergin
43 Richie Reid
44 Conor O shea
45 Conor Martin

Panel for 2018 on no particular order.
Who else could we possibly and reasonably expect to be part of the initial panel from this week on. No point in looking at 17 or 18 year old as I dont think they will be considered.

Is this your own preferred panel or the actual provisional training panel at the moment? Some lads on that lads I would have thought that are no where near the required standard and I would consider them more as good club hurlers. 
Im fairly sure Michale Malone not involved again but Ger Malone is. Also there is three more Ballyragget lads involved along with Kevin Kelly with Saoirse Kenny, Stephen Staunton and Michael Brennan included in training. Also likes of Mossy Keoghan and Colum Prenderville included too

Cathal O Neill danesfort is also called in

Should be few more from the Village after getting to a county final

brookville wrote: »

Who's in from the village?scanlon and maybe tadgh dwyer?

Scanlon and Conor Browne are the 2 from the Village AFAIK
Buckley, Ollie Walsh, Evan Cody, Conor Doheny and Bill Sheehan to be called in from the Boro there may be 1 or 2 more but haven't heard of any yet.

brookville wrote: »

Maybe oisin gough could be worth a look

Very impressed with Gough, Evan Cody needs to step it up a bit from what iv seen of him

Anyone know who's in from the rower,I presume joe and pat lyng and leahy are probably in but eoin doyle ciarian ryan and tom murphy have had their moments for them.
The management have threw the net far and wide by all account's hopefully a few can make the step up

Village87 wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

Anyone know who's in from the rower,I presume joe and pat lyng and leahy are probably in but eoin doyle ciarian ryan and tom murphy have had their moments for them.
The management have threw the net far and wide by all account's hopefully a few can make the step up

Not sure. Pat Lyng probably not up to the standard. I was impressed with Kenny anytime I seen them in action. I think he was full forward

Nothing against the lad but Jj Kenny no where near the required standard and more often than not this year was only a sub for the Rower!!! I seriously think you have him confused with someone else

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

I've been told Scanlon isn't in but no idea if that's true or not

There's nobody from The Village other than him worth looking at bar Dwyer at a push. They're ****e and it's a travesty they got to a county final.

There's some rubbish spouted on this forum but that's up there. Idiot.

Lads they should've been beaten by 15 points in the final. Obviously I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect but they're a poor side. They were desperate for 45 minutes against Martins in the relegation semi final and a decent side would've beaten them that day. They won one game in the league. One. But because they hurled for 30 minutes against Shamrocks they're a good side? Come on.

Why would I be bitter towards the Village?

Put it this way - the Boro in the county final were the first team in the last 3 years (ish) where I thought that's a good team.

brookville wrote: »

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Scanlon and Conor Browne are the 2 from the Village AFAIK
Buckley, Ollie Walsh, Evan Cody, Conor Doheny and Bill Sheehan to be called in from the Boro there may be 1 or 2 more but haven't heard of any yet.

Maybe oisin gough could be worth a look

tbiggertycome wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

Who's in from the village?scanlon and maybe tadgh dwyer?

Scanlon and Conor Browne are the 2 from the Village AFAIK
Buckley, Ollie Walsh, Evan Cody, Conor Doheny and Bill Sheehan to be called in from the Boro there may be 1 or 2 more but haven't heard of any yet.

I know there there nearly 60 lads in training at the moment so definitely will wait to see who involved come league time before casting a judgement. But do people seriously think some of the aforementioned and along with some of the other names discussed are really up to Senior Inter county hurling? 
I am not trying to be critical at all and merely just looking to see what are peoples genuine opinion. For instance Conor Doheny for most parts of the year couldnt make the under 21 team and I dont even think he was in the listed panel for the AI final in September and I know he got injured mid season to for a bit which didnt help. The likes of Bill Sheehan and Tadgh Dwyer couldnt even make the U21 panel. Have they really shown enough over the 6-8 weeks or so to justify a run with the senior? I am totally of the opinon that winning matched gives players confidence and generally players form thrive off this and I am not for one minute insinuating that if a player cant make County U21 panel then they should be forgotten about when it comes to senior ranks........we seen how many late blossomers we have had over the last few years!!
I have seen alot of club games this year and alot of the names mentioned in this forum from what I have seen would be completely out of their depth at inter county level as some of the Boro lads found out last weekend when they went up another level in standard against what I will say is an excellent Cuala team. I know every year we would be delighted if we can find two good additions to the panel and I think this year will follow similar suit. 
Im gonna put my neck on the line and put it out there my two bolters to make an impression this year on the panel for me will be John Donnelly and Cathal O'Neill with Richie Reid to show good capabilities as a good option on the half back line/midfield area!

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I know what you mean but you've answered your own question here. They might being in 60 lads and most of them aren't going to be up to the task, but nobody has lost anything in the process by having a look. But if we get one Martin Comerford type of character out of all of that, one lad overlooked by school, minor and under 21 coaches who, given his chance, takes it with both hands, then all the time spent looking at all these lads to find that one player is worth it.

If all this stuff unearths even a single player who surprises us all and makes a difference come summer, then the process is vindicated in my opinion. Especially since most people seem to agree there are ongoing problems with the development squads and other aspects of our development system.

Lads, it's very obvious this an extended panel of players for both Senior and U21. Fitness and conditioning being combined for both. There are players after been called in who wont even make the U21 team later on