Are we over the annual poppy thread?

George Sunsnow · 08-11-2017 11:28AM

And does any money from those go to current British pacifists :pac:

seamus · 08-11-2017 11:31AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What Varadkar should be doing is commemorating these men and women in an Irish way and not trolling the Dáil with this.

I'm glad our Taoiseach isn't so petty as to ignore the sacrifice of Irish soldiers in the two world wars because they happened to be fighting for another country.

In many ways the two world wars taught us that nationalism is irrelevant in the face of an international threat. Complaining that a remembrance symbol might look a little bit like another country's or might have connotations of supporting another country, is exactly the kind of petty nationalism people fought to repel, especially in WW2.

not yet · 08-11-2017 11:37AM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

There is already an alternative to the red poppy but the bloodthristy diss it

Not good enough, It has to be soaked in the blood of innocent people to mean anything.

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 11:49AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm glad our Taoiseach isn't so petty as to ignore the sacrifice of Irish soldiers in the two world wars because they happened to be fighting for another country.

In many ways the two world wars taught us that nationalism is irrelevant in the face of an international threat. Complaining that a remembrance symbol might look a little bit like another country's or might have connotations of supporting another country, is exactly the kind of petty nationalism people fought to repel, especially in WW2.

So why doesn't he wear the Easter Lily which commemorates those who fought to free us from British imperialism?

He could compartmentalise it like others and say, 'oh no, I am wearing it just to commemorate those who died for our freedom'

Yes, you are correct, the Taoiseach's office doing that would be wholly wrong. :rolleyes:

The_Kew_Tour · 08-11-2017 11:52AM

Poppy's are Glorified Fascisim.

robinph · 08-11-2017 11:57AM

Well the German football team don't seem to have a problem with the poppy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41914544

munsterlegend · 08-11-2017 12:07PM

robinph wrote: »

Well the German football team don't seem to have a problem with the poppy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41914544

Well if they refused you can imagine the grief they would get. The Germans when it come to the 1914 to 1945 period would wear just about anything such is the guilt at what transpired.

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 12:08PM

robinph wrote: »

Well the German football team don't seem to have a problem with the poppy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41914544

What's the problem there? Both have agreed to it.

FIFA have made it clear that objections are allowed and the poppy brigade have to accept that in this country there are objections.

seamus · 08-11-2017 12:10PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So why doesn't he wear the Easter Lily which commemorates those who fought to free us from British imperialism?

Because that's not an official "thing". It's a partisan symbol promoted by paramilitary organisations. It would be...interesting...if the Taoiseach were to wear a symbol that was introduced and is promoted by a terrorist organisation.

The poppy is a nonpartisan symbol of remembrance.

And while I can understand people's reluctance to wear one, those who would condemn someone for wearing one are as just as bad as those who condemn people for not wearing them.

buried · 08-11-2017 12:11PM

The "remembrance symbol" means F**k all when its involved in some sort of twisted hierarchy of remembrance. And make no mistake, there is a twisted hierarchy of remembrance at work here with this thing. Seems Poppy people don't want to be remembering the invasion of Iraq, that huge recent conflict a few years ago that made bits of the middle east and gave us such wonderful modern entities such as ISIS and the refugee crisis. Nah, lets just remember the good auld star world wars from the Indiana Joneses movies. Pathetic.

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 12:14PM

seamus wrote: »

The poppy is a nonpartisan symbol of remembrance.

Nonpartisan you say???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

tomwaterford · 08-11-2017 12:16PM

seamus wrote: »

Because that's not an official "thing". It's a partisan symbol promoted by paramilitary organisations. It would be...interesting...if the Taoiseach were to wear a symbol that was introduced and is promoted by a terrorist organisation.

The poppy is a nonpartisan symbol of remembrance.

And while I can understand people's reluctance to wear one, those who would condemn someone for wearing one are as just as bad as those who condemn people for not wearing them.

The poppy isn't nonpartisan??,if it were it would also commerate dead Nazi's

This is am even bigger lie than trying to sell it ad remberence only....it's to fund raise for injured soldiers....if it were what your trying to pass it off as,noone would have an issue with it

Do you think people are that gullible to believe that?

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-11-2017 12:17PM

seamus wrote: »

The (red) poppy is a nonpartisan symbol of remembrance.

Now you are stretching it

robinph · 08-11-2017 12:17PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Well if they refused you can imagine the grief they would get. The Germans when it come to the 1914 to 1945 period would wear just about anything such is the guilt at what transpired.

They could not wear it if they wanted and nobody would think it odd. But if they protested about England wearing it then that wouldn't go down well.

That they have chosen to join in with wearing it is unexpected, but I can't see that anyone would have expected them to.

A Little Pony · 08-11-2017 12:20PM

maryishere wrote: »

cameramonkey wrote: »

He gets abuse every time he steps on the pitch for his anti-poppy stance.

The reason he is so unpopular with the fans is nothing to do with other things?

The former vice-president of Fifa warned controversial footballer James McClean that the time has come to stop mixing sport and politics. Why?

McLean for example has posed for a picture alongside former IRA commander Martin McGuinness, and McClean often whinges that Northern Ireland and the Republic should come together.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/jim-boyce-tells-james-mcclean-keep-your-political-views-out-of-football-31445363.html

And then McClean whinges that he is unpopular in England. If he goes there, and gets paid big money in front of English fans, he should remember many of them lost loved ones in the 2 world wars.

Well it's not a surprise he has a liken for terrorism which the tyrant Mcguinness thrived on. Luckily for Protestants he can't hurt them anymore.

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 12:24PM

robinph wrote: »

They could not wear it if they wanted and nobody would think it odd.

That is hilarious, given what happens when somebody doesn't wear these things. Hilarious.

A Little Pony · 08-11-2017 12:27PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

There is already an alternative to the red poppy but the bloodthristy diss it

The fundamental flaw with this is the British Army faces groups like the ISIS and Al Qaeda and the PIRA in the past and some wars are worth fighting for, such as WW2 and the Falkands War. The idea that war should never happen is one born out of naivety and utopia delusions.

I actually don't think I have seen a white poppy worn by anybody in my life, so it must be very rare and not that popular compared to the red poppy. But if people want to wear it, they are entitled to do so in a free democratic country.

seamus · 08-11-2017 12:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nonpartisan you say???? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yes? What parties in the UK does it exclude?

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 12:30PM

seamus wrote: »

Yes? What parties in the UK does it exclude?

Those suppressed, injured and killed by the BA in northern Ireland?
Oh I forgot, for the purposes of wearing the poppy, we forget those ones.

munsterlegend · 08-11-2017 12:31PM

robinph wrote: »

They could not wear it if they wanted and nobody would think it odd. But if they protested about England wearing it then that wouldn't go down well.

That they have chosen to join in with wearing it is unexpected, but I can't see that anyone would have expected them to.

You can imagine the line of questioning to the German coach/ German fa if they didn't. Yeah we could have worn it and did cause both world wars but sure time to move on.

citytillidie · 08-11-2017 12:31PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The fundamental flaw with this is the British Army faces groups like the ISIS and Al Qaeda and the PIRA in the past and some wars are worth fighting for, such as WW2 and the Falkands War. The idea that war should never happen is one born out of naivety and utopia delusions.

I actually don't think I have seen a white poppy worn by anybody in my life, so it must be very rare and not that popular compared to the red poppy. But if people want to wear it, they are entitled to do so in a free democratic country.

British Army/Terror groups are facing such things because of their actions in those countries.

I see you leave off other terror groups on this island and just focus on one, is that because the British Army helped those other terror groups

seamus · 08-11-2017 12:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Those suppressed, injured and killed by the BA in northern Ireland?
Oh I forgot, for the purposes of wearing the poppy, we forget those ones.

It does? Oh no wait, it doesn't. I suggest you look up what "partisan" means. The poppy is to remember all of those who fought in the UK armed forces. Not those soldiers who were Tories or Labour or Sinn Fein. All of them.

Those who fought against the UK armed forces are obviously not going to be commemorated by the same symbol :rolleyes:

A Little Pony · 08-11-2017 12:36PM

citytillidie wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

The fundamental flaw with this is the British Army faces groups like the ISIS and Al Qaeda and the PIRA in the past and some wars are worth fighting for, such as WW2 and the Falkands War. The idea that war should never happen is one born out of naivety and utopia delusions.

I actually don't think I have seen a white poppy worn by anybody in my life, so it must be very rare and not that popular compared to the red poppy. But if people want to wear it, they are entitled to do so in a free democratic country.

British Army/Terror groups are facing such things because of their actions in those countries.

I see you leave off other terror groups on this island and just focus on one, is that because the British Army helped those other terror groups

I am on record saying I would have had UVF and UDA terrorists hanged, I make no apologises for that. I'd include anyone who murdered innocent civilians in that. Far too soft on these people.

FrancieBrady · 08-11-2017 12:40PM

seamus wrote: »

It does? Oh no wait, it doesn't. I suggest you look up what "partisan" means. The poppy is to remember all of those who fought in the UK armed forces. Not those soldiers who were Tories or Labour or Sinn Fein. All of them.

Those who fought against the UK armed forces are obviously not going to be commemorated by the same symbol :rolleyes:

It excludes those people from remembrance, which is what you asked.

Again, wearing the poppy is about more than remembrance, it is at the RBL's request about 'support'.

not yet · 08-11-2017 12:40PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well it's not a surprise he has a liken for terrorism which the tyrant Mcguinness thrived on. Luckily for Protestants he can't hurt them anymore.

Yeah very lucky, sure word has it he would go round the Waterside after dark picking up poor Protestants, bring them back to his Lair and eat them..

not yet · 08-11-2017 12:44PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am on record saying I would have had UVF and UDA terrorists hanged, I make no apologises for that. I'd include anyone who murdered innocent civilians in that. Far too soft on these people.

Do you agree men in the BA shot and killed innocent people, Aidan McAnespie maybe..? If your answer is yes does it then follow these men should be Hanged.

A Little Pony · 08-11-2017 12:46PM

not yet wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Well it's not a surprise he has a liken for terrorism which the tyrant Mcguinness thrived on. Luckily for Protestants he can't hurt them anymore.

Yeah very lucky, sure word has it he would go round the Waterside after dark picking up poor Protestants, bring them back to his Lair and eat them..

I don't think murder is something to trivialize.

not yet wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am on record saying I would have had UVF and UDA terrorists hanged, I make no apologises for that. I'd include anyone who murdered innocent civilians in that. Far too soft on these people.

Do you agree men in the BA shot and killed innocent people, Aidan McAnespie maybe..? If your answer is yes does then then follow these men should be Hanged.

Of course they murdered innocent people, the facts don't lie on that. I believe in capital punishment, so yes.

citytillidie · 08-11-2017 12:47PM

not yet wrote: »

Do you agree men in the BA shot and killed innocent people, Aidan McAnespie maybe..? If your answer is yes does then then follow these men should be Hanged.

What about those paras in Derry on Jan 30th 1972.

tomwaterford · 08-11-2017 12:54PM

seamus wrote: »

It does? Oh no wait, it doesn't. I suggest you look up what "partisan" means:

a member of an armed group formed to fight secretly against an occupying force??

Odhinn · 08-11-2017 02:00PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The fundamental flaw with this is the British Army faces groups like the ISIS and Al Qaeda and the PIRA in the past and some wars are worth fighting for, such as WW2 and the Falkands War. The idea that war should never happen is one born out of naivety and utopia delusions.

.

The vast majority of British military action over the last few centuries was in connection with empire, one way or another. This is their fourth time round in the area now known as Afghanistan.

Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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