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Are we over the annual poppy thread?
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FrancieBrady wrote: »How about:
'The poppy is inherently political because it remembers one army. A public expression of a private feeling than can be offensive in countries that were the victims of that army.'
Is that why the Royal Air Force plastered all over a Tonka?
Plus, it's not any more inherently political than a red rose (as the symbol of socialism) or a daffodil (a symbol of revolution) or even edelweiss (as a symbol of nazism) - if people decide to interpret as being political that's up to them. Not wearing a flower won't change their narrow world-view.
In that ridiculous world those people inhabit, wearing Kenzo would be a political act
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Is that why the Royal Air Force plastered all over a Tonka?
Plus, it's not any more inherently political than a red rose (as the symbol of socialism) or a daffodil (a symbol of revolution) or even edelweiss (as a symbol of nazism) - if people decide to interpret as being political that's up to them. Not wearing a flower won't change their narrow world-view.
In that ridiculous world those people inhabit, wearing Kenzo would be a political act:D:D
How much more 'narrow' can you get than remember only 'Irish' British soldiers of a pointless war and by not wearing other symbols state clearly, 'I will not remember them'?0 -
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During WW2 the British did not kill any IRA members, even though, for example, five people were killed and 70 were injured when an IRA bomb exploded in Coventry city centre just a week or so before ww2. The only IRA members who were killed during WW2 were some executed in Irish prison by DeValera ( thats not taught in schools nowFrancieBrady wrote: »Are we again forgetting a similar list of the atrocities committed by the British Army on this island even while those men and women were over dying for the British?
) and Sean Russell, who attempted to co-operate with the Nazis and died in their hands.
A green poppy is not a British symbol. Even a red poppy is more international than that. The idea was first thought up and introduced by a Canadian, American and french person, among others, I think. It is a symbol of Rrembrance, not a symbol of political allegiance as the lily is. People of all backgrounds, faiths, political beliefs can remember and respect those who have served or made sacrifices in the defence of these islands. The Taoiseach has Indian connections, and two and a half million Indians volunteered to serve in WW2 with British forces too. He may also be thinking of them, and respecting their memory.FrancieBrady wrote: »He has elected now to remember those men and women with a British symbol,0 -
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maryishere wrote: »During WW2 the British did not kill any IRA members. The only IRA members who were killed during WW2 were some executed in Irish prison by DeValera ( thats not taught in schools now ) and Sean Russell, who attempted to co-operate with the Nazis and died in their hands.
A green poppy is not a British symbol. Even a red poppy is more international than that. The idea was first thought up and introduced by a Canadian, American and french person, among others, I think. It is a symbol of Rrembrance, not a symbol of political allegiance as the lily is. People of all backgrounds, faiths, political beliefs can remember and respect those who have served or made sacrifices in the defence of these islands. The Taoiseach has Indian connections, and two and a half million Indians volunteered to serve in WW2 with British forces too. He may also be thinking of them, and respecting their memory.
You cannot divorce the wearing of a poppy from it's intention by specifying what you think it means when faced with a bit of controversy.
By all means wear it, if so inclined, but remember what it's intention is.
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George Sunsnow wrote: »I think the green poppy is a great idea
There is a clear difference between its purpose and the fielty the normal poppy implies to the current British forces
It commemorates WW1 and 2 Irish veterans and families
It’s really only the latter left alive
It has no affiliation with current British forces
It's a red poppy inside a shamrock. (It really should be a shamrock inside a Red poppy if right was right.)
It has an affiliation to current and past British Armed forces. No matter how much you protest.
Here is a similar badge used by the UVF, who bombed Dublin and Monaghan with the alleged assistance of the British. See anything familiar?
What Varadkar should be doing is commemorating these men and women in an Irish way and not trolling the Dáil with this.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »It's a red poppy inside a shamrock. (It really should be a shamrock inside a Red poppy if right was right.)
It has an affiliation to current and past British Armed forces. No matter how much you protest.
Here is a similar badge used by the UVF, who bombed Dublin and Monaghan with the alleged assistance of the British. See anything familiar?
What Varadkar should be doing is commemorating these men and women in an Irish way and not trolling the Dáil with this.
Where is the affiliation with current British forces or indeed any outside the two world wars?0 -
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Threads like this make me realise I could never subscribe to the narrow form Shinner republicanism.....
......it must be exhausting to spend your everyday in high dudgeon and being permanently outraged
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