Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

brookville · 05-11-2017 09:12PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

I agree with all ye responses. It was extremely hard for u21 players to break onto that team. However, when was the last underage Kilkenny player that everyone was really excited about. TJ and R. Hogan were the last two in my opinion. Tipp on the other hand have had John McGrath, John o Dwyer and there is another promising McGrath on the way. All players in the attacking half. Galway have Jack Canning coming through who looks the real deal. WHO DO WE HAVE.

While you do have valid points it's being a while since we produced a youngster with that x factor adrian mullen is probably the most recent putting up big scores during the year while getting 1-2 and 1-3 from play for ballyhale is good going for any 17 year old but he needs time,dj should bring him on next year.Richie leahy was a brilliant minor 2 years ago,brassil and mikey carey were good this year.lads like john walsh and bolger are exciting players while billy ryan can be hot and cold i think his brother sean who was minor this year will be a better hurler

dubcat51 · 05-11-2017 09:44PM

brookville wrote: »

While you do have valid points it's being a while since we produced a youngster with that x factor adrian mullen is probably the most recent putting up big scores during the year while getting 1-2 and 1-3 from play for ballyhale is good going for any 17 year old but he needs time,dj should bring him on next year.Richie leahy was a brilliant minor 2 years ago,brassil and mikey carey were good this year.lads like john walsh and bolger are exciting players while billy ryan can be hot and cold i think his brother sean who was minor this year will be a better hurler

Ciaran brennan will be a serious young talent if he doesnt chose soccer.

Grueller · 05-11-2017 10:01PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Con makes everyone look slow, including the entire Mayo full back and half back lines....287 of whom just won All Stars.

Not really true as his worst game was the All Ireland final where Mayo coped very well with all of the Dublin attack. Mayos defenders deserved every one of those all stars. Aidan O Shea was their lucky one imo with Tom Parsons extremely unlucky. If Ciaran Kilkenny had gotten injured at the same time as Jack McCaffrey he would have gotten an all star too.
Anyhow, this hasn't much to do with Kilkenny, and is probably the only football talked in here ever.

JJs Left Hand · 05-11-2017 10:21PM

This hype about Mullen. I'm not going to slag a young lad but everyone needs to dial it back in my opinion.

ProudDUB · 05-11-2017 10:26PM

Grueller wrote: »

Not really true as his worst game was the All Ireland final where Mayo coped very well with all of the Dublin attack. Mayos defenders deserved every one of those all stars. Aidan O Shea was their lucky one imo with Tom Parsons extremely unlucky. If Ciaran Kilkenny had gotten injured at the same time as Jack McCaffrey he would have gotten an all star too.
Anyhow, this hasn't much to do with Kilkenny, and is probably the only football talked in here ever.

All of them? Yeah, they covered themselves in glory alright, when he carved them open to score a goal after two minutes. :rolleyes:

Realt Dearg Sec · 05-11-2017 10:35PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Grueller wrote: »

Not really true as his worst game was the All Ireland final where Mayo coped very well with all of the Dublin attack. Mayos defenders deserved every one of those all stars. Aidan O Shea was their lucky one imo with Tom Parsons extremely unlucky. If Ciaran Kilkenny had gotten injured at the same time as Jack McCaffrey he would have gotten an all star too.
Anyhow, this hasn't much to do with Kilkenny, and is probably the only football talked in here ever.

All of them? Yeah, they covered themselves in glory alright, when he carved them open to score a goal after two minutes. :rolleyes:

Wut is dis futbal uf wich u speeck?

dubcat51 · 05-11-2017 11:00PM

Bkd ballyragret at 9/2 on friday for intermediate all ireland.great bet imo.kiltale will be opposition in leinster.still great price given our recird in the comp over the last few years.

Grueller · 05-11-2017 11:06PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

All of them? Yeah, they covered themselves in glory alright, when he carved them open to score a goal after two minutes. :rolleyes:

And for the next 72 odd?

kilkennyboy · 06-11-2017 02:07AM

kilkennyboy wrote: »

I'm afraid their could be a big reality check coming tomorrow about where kk hurling is..
we were beating these teams in second gear for years. \
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beat Wextford in the round robin and dublin .and get ready for a 1/4 final .I'm afraid relegation in the league. other than those already involved with kilk Boro nothing to offer. this is our realistic future now.

PeterCasey · 06-11-2017 08:19AM

corner back 2 wrote: »

Ref riding the boro here

Lost count of how many times C Doheny was fouled with the hurl around the neck in the second half by the same player.The Boro have to be terrible disappointed with yesterday Cuala two goals came from bad defending shocking would put it mildly.

Village87 · 06-11-2017 09:49AM

Any news on Michael Fennelly, retired , dropped or still on the panel ? 33 in January, and poor club form i think maybe its time to get someone else in midfield to get a chance

Topcat32 · 06-11-2017 01:23PM

Village87 wrote: »

Any news on Michael Fennelly, retired , dropped or still on the panel ? 33 in January, and poor club form i think maybe its time to get someone else in midfield to get a chance

Bit hasty to drop from the panel based on club games and form, his days as a midfielder who gets up and down the pitch are over but I think he still could be effective in certain situations and could do a job in the half forward line depending on the type of game.

He has a lot of leadership qualities in a team that now doesnt have a lot of natural leaders, some of the senior players seem a bit more laid back than the main lads on the teams we had since 2000, also his job makes him more likely to remain on a panel even if he is not getting much game time. I dont think we can expect too much from him given his injuries but if he wants to be there I think the selectors will be anxious to keep him involved.

danganabu · 06-11-2017 01:27PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Bit hasty to drop from the panel based on club games and form, his days as a midfielder who gets up and down the pitch are over but I think he still could be effective in certain situations and could do a job in the half forward line depending on the type of game.

He has a lot of leadership qualities in a team that now doesnt have a lot of natural leaders, some of the senior players seem a bit more laid back than the main lads on the teams we had since 2000, also his job makes him more likely to remain on a panel even if he is not getting much game time. I dont think we can expect too much from him given his injuries but if he wants to be there I think the selectors will be anxious to keep him involved.

Yeah agree, if KK are going through transition and will be introducing new players to the panel, which I think everyone agrees needs to be done, then who better to mentor them than the bast midfielder of his generation.

kilkennyboy · 06-11-2017 01:36PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Bkd ballyragret at 9/2 on friday for intermediate all ireland.great bet imo.kiltale will be opposition in leinster.still great price given our recird in the comp over the last few years.

kanturk with Nash and Walsh's and kilmaley big danger

Village87 · 06-11-2017 01:52PM

danganabu wrote: »

Yeah agree, if KK are going through transition and will be introducing new players to the panel, which I think everyone agrees needs to be done, then who better to mentor them than the bast midfielder of his generation.

Fair point, but why is he getting that option over players like Jackie Tyrell & Michael Rice were told to retire or be dropped ?

ProudDUB · 06-11-2017 02:08PM

Grueller wrote: »

And for the next 72 odd?

He scored 1-1 in a game that Dublin won by a single point. So you can't really dismiss him, or say that Mayo coped "very well" with "all of Dublins attacks." If they did, they would have won the All Ireland. They didn't.

Con is a dual player and has played several very high profile games in both codes. His skill set is not restricted to either one, so talk of his attributes will cross over into either code occasionally. I don't think the purity of the KK thread will be overly besmirched, or too many KK heads will explode if it happens the odd time.

(Except for Realt obviously. His head is loooooong gone.

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Village87 · 06-11-2017 02:40PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

He scored 1-1 in a game that Dublin won by a single point. So you can't really dismiss him, or say that Mayo coped "very well" with "all of Dublins attacks." If they did, they would have won the All Ireland. They didn't.

Con is a dual player and has played several very high profile games in both codes. His skill set is not restricted to either one, so talk of his attributes will cross over into either code occasionally. I don't think the purity of the KK thread will be overly besmirched, or too many KK heads will explode if it happens the odd time.

(Except for Realt obviously. His head is loooooong gone. )

Lucky for Kilkenny u21's that Con O Callaghan wasnt let play u21 this year for Dublin. Kilkenny probably would have lost to Dublin in that game if he was

Faugheen · 06-11-2017 03:25PM

It's a huge shame we'll probably never see him play hurling. Genuinely is up there among the cream of the crop from what I've seen. Yes it's hard to gauge how good a player is until he plays inter-county but he made Buckley look run-of-the-mill, and it's hard to find a better barometer in terms of a man-marker.

ProudDUB · 06-11-2017 03:34PM

Village87 wrote: »

Lucky for Kilkenny u21's that Con O Callaghan wasnt let play u21 this year for Dublin. Kilkenny probably would have lost to Dublin in that game if he was

Wouldn't argue with you there. I was at that u21 game.

Village87 · 06-11-2017 03:50PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Wouldn't argue with you there. I was at that u21 game.

As was i, O'Callaghan would have brought some leadership & confidence to the Dublin team lacking belief, they had as much possession that day as Kilkenny except they hit a lot of wides, Burke could have played in the corner as Kilkenny were weak there and could have cleaned out the Kilkenny fullback line as he had Delaney in all sorts of trouble, O Callgahan could easily have finished up with 2-2 or 2-3 against that Kilkenny defence, he had a hand in easily 2-6 or 2-7 yesterday and that standard is higher that that of u21.

danganabu · 06-11-2017 03:54PM

Village87 wrote: »

, he had a hand in easily 2-6 or 2-7 yesterday and that standard is higher that that of u21.

Ummm don't think I would agree with that now. A top intercounty U21 team will always beat a top club team imo.

Village87 · 06-11-2017 04:16PM

danganabu wrote: »

Ummm don't think I would agree with that now. A top intercounty U21 team will always beat a top club team imo.

Id rate teams who win All Ireland clubs higher than an u21 team. Samrocks won a few all ireland senior in there pomp and would usually beat the Kilkenny u21 team without there full team

danganabu · 06-11-2017 04:22PM

Village87 wrote: »

Id rate teams who win All Ireland clubs higher than an u21 team. Samrocks won a few all ireland senior in there pomp and would usually beat the Kilkenny u21 team without there full team

I wouldn't have seen any club team beating the recent Clare team or the Limerick three in a row team or say the Tipp team of 2010. Interesting debate though!

Topcat32 · 06-11-2017 06:52PM

Village87 wrote: »

Fair point, but why is he getting that option over players like Jackie Tyrell & Michael Rice were told to retire or be dropped ?

Michael Rice was an excellent player for Kilkenny but was never the dominant player Fennelly was, id imagine the feeling was that Jackie Tyrell legs were gone at intercounty level and unlike Fennelly you cant really stick him in at a centre forward or full forward to cause some trouble with his size and strength and reasonably good scoring ability. So two valid reasons in my opinion for Michael to stay on longer than the two players you have mentioned.

Topcat32 · 06-11-2017 07:02PM

Village87 wrote: »

Lucky for Kilkenny u21's that Con O Callaghan wasnt let play u21 this year for Dublin. Kilkenny probably would have lost to Dublin in that game if he was

Id say possible rather than probable, its hard to think that this year could possibly have been more dissapointing. If you going to include Con and level of fitness and movement he has developed playing football with Dublin you would also need to include Darragh Joyce who obviously isnt as good as Con but looked pretty decent in the county championship last year and from what I hear has seriously bulked up over there.

PeterCasey · 06-11-2017 08:36PM

Village87 wrote: »

Fair point, but why is he getting that option over players like Jackie Tyrell & Michael Rice were told to retire or be dropped ?

What are you talking about Rice was dropped off the panel after the league 2016 with Brian Kennedy.

usualstripes · 06-11-2017 10:57PM

1 Eoin Murphy
2 Paul Murphy
3 Joey Holden
4 Joe Lyng
5 Padraig walsh
6 Cillian Buckley
7 Jason Cleere
8 Conor Fogarty
9 Paddy Deegan
10 Walsh Walsh
11 TJ Reid
12 Richie leahy
13 Billy Ryan
14 Colin Fennelly
15 Richie hogan
16 Michael Fennelly
17 Darren Mullen
18 Conor Delaney
19 John Donnelly
20 James Maher
21 Sean Morrissey
22 Michael Aylward
23 Tommy Walsh
24 Simon Aylward
25 Luke Scanlon
26 Pat Lyng
27 Michael Cody
28 Alan Murphy
29 Shane Walsh
30 Oisin Hough
31 Eoin Hough
32 Martin Gaffney
33 Bill Sheet an
34 Michael Mansfield
35 Michael Malone
36 Chris Bolger
37 Lester Ryan
38 Joe Cuddihy
39 Ronan Corcoran
40 Kevin Kelly
41 Ollie Walsh
42 Mark Bergin
43 Richie Reid
44 Conor O shea
45 Conor Martin

Panel for 2018 on no particular order.
Who else could we possibly and reasonably expect to be part of the initial panel from this week on. No point in looking at 17 or 18 year old as I dont think they will be considered.

Topcat32 · 06-11-2017 11:06PM

usualstripes wrote: »

1 Eoin Murphy
2 Paul Murphy
3 Joey Holden
4 Joe Lyng
5 Padraig walsh
6 Cillian Buckley
7 Jason Cleere
8 Conor Fogarty
9 Paddy Deegan
10 Walsh Walsh
11 TJ Reid
12 Richie leahy
13 Billy Ryan
14 Colin Fennelly
15 Richie hogan
16 Michael Fennelly
17 Darren Mullen
18 Conor Delaney
19 John Donnelly
20 James Maher
21 Sean Morrissey
22 Michael Aylward
23 Tommy Walsh
24 Simon Aylward
25 Luke Scanlon
26 Pat Lyng
27 Michael Cody
28 Alan Murphy
29 Shane Walsh
30 Oisin Hough
31 Eoin Hough
32 Martin Gaffney
33 Bill Sheet an
34 Michael Mansfield
35 Michael Malone
36 Chris Bolger
37 Lester Ryan
38 Joe Cuddihy
39 Ronan Corcoran
40 Kevin Kelly
41 Ollie Walsh
42 Mark Bergin
43 Richie Reid
44 Conor O shea
45 Conor Martin

Panel for 2018 on no particular order.
Who else could we possibly and reasonably expect to be part of the initial panel from this week on. No point in looking at 17 or 18 year old as I dont think they will be considered.

Is that the actual training panel mentioned in the Kilkenny people last week?

usualstripes · 06-11-2017 11:08PM

No its not but I presume all above or something like it will be around

Topcat32 · 06-11-2017 11:16PM

usualstripes wrote: »

1 Eoin Murphy
2 Paul Murphy
3 Joey Holden
4 Joe Lyng
5 Padraig walsh
6 Cillian Buckley
7 Jason Cleere
8 Conor Fogarty
9 Paddy Deegan
10 Walsh Walsh
11 TJ Reid
12 Richie leahy
13 Billy Ryan
14 Colin Fennelly
15 Richie hogan
16 Michael Fennelly
17 Darren Mullen
18 Conor Delaney
19 John Donnelly
20 James Maher
21 Sean Morrissey
22 Michael Aylward
23 Tommy Walsh
24 Simon Aylward
25 Luke Scanlon
26 Pat Lyng
27 Michael Cody
28 Alan Murphy
29 Shane Walsh
30 Oisin Hough
31 Eoin Hough
32 Martin Gaffney
33 Bill Sheet an
34 Michael Mansfield
35 Michael Malone
36 Chris Bolger
37 Lester Ryan
38 Joe Cuddihy
39 Ronan Corcoran
40 Kevin Kelly
41 Ollie Walsh
42 Mark Bergin
43 Richie Reid
44 Conor O shea
45 Conor Martin

Panel for 2018 on no particular order.
Who else could we possibly and reasonably expect to be part of the initial panel from this week on. No point in looking at 17 or 18 year old as I dont think they will be considered.

Liam Blanchfield, Ger Aylward, Conor Doheny, Robert Lennon will be on the training panel at least id imagine

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