Can someone explain to me why someone would kill a snow leopard for fun?

steddyeddy · 05-11-2017 05:04PM #1

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.

From the Journal.

INDISCRIMINATE POISONING, AND the shooting of birds are among the methods
used to illegally kill birds in Ireland.

According to a new European report Killing 2.0, which looks at which birds
are killed and how, an estimated 0.4 – 2.1 million individual birds are killed
per year across Europe and the Caucasus region – mostly for pest control or
hunting purposes.

The report shows that the bird group with the highest percentage of species
affected are birds of prey, or raptors. 51 out of 52 raptor species are affected
by illegal killing.

This is still relevant in Ireland, where it’s birds of prey are killed by
shooting and “indiscriminate” meat poisoning left out to kill animals such as
foxes and crows, says Niall Hatch of BirdWatch Ireland.

He says that the birds of prey they are most concerned about are red kites,
white-tailed eagles, golden eagles, buzzards and peregrine falcons.

But white-tailed eagles are of particular concern – in June 2007 Norway donated
15 eagles in an attempt to reintroduce the birds to Ireland.

From Unilad

A US trophy hunter is facing global criticism on social media after he shot a rare snow leopard and published this grinning picture online.

In the image, Hossein Golabchi – also known by the nickname Soudy – stands smiling from ear-to-ear as he stands with the stunning white and black animal draped across his shoulders.

The leopard appears to have been shot at least twice in the rear and blood can be seen seeping down its coat.

Golabchi, originally from Iran, came under fire after the so-called trophy hunting snap circulated online, according to the Mirror.
At the time of writing, more than 100,000 people have signed a petition calling for Golabchi to be brought to justice.
The appeal was originally launched by account user Amanda on Care2 – an online community which champions animal rights – on October 23, which was International Snow Leopard Day.
The non-profit organisation, Defenders of Wildlife, have reported there are only an estimated 3,500 to 7,000 snow leopards left in the wild, with 600 to 700 being in zoos.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 05-11-2017 05:04PM

Beats me. Senseless.

_Dara_ · 05-11-2017 05:07PM

Because they’re a cunt.

steddyeddy · 05-11-2017 05:08PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Because they’re a cunt.

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diomed · 05-11-2017 05:12PM

They have a gun to protect themselves?

vicwatson · 05-11-2017 05:25PM

What a scummer doing a very scummy thing

Worth signing the petition?

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/111/531/275/bring-hossein-quotsoldyquot-golabchi-the-us-snow-leopard-poacher-to-justice/?TAP=1724

steddyeddy · 05-11-2017 05:26PM

vicwatson wrote: »

What a scummer doing a very scummy thing

Worth signing the petition?

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/111/531/275/bring-hossein-quotsoldyquot-golabchi-the-us-snow-leopard-poacher-to-justice/?TAP=1724

Done!

Dr Crayfish · 05-11-2017 05:30PM

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

steddyeddy · 05-11-2017 05:31PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

Wailin · 05-11-2017 05:33PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

Yes, animals bred to eat, ie cattle, sheep, pigs etc. Not rare birds of pray or big cats nearly extinct, tiger, snow leopard etc.

Dr Crayfish · 05-11-2017 05:34PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

No but the fact we buy plastic bottles and pretty much everything we do in the developed world is destroying the planet and the habitat of all animals. Palm oil for example, it's in so many things we buy, and is grown in Indonesia after clearing jungle for it, jungle where many endangered species live. The world is f*cked, totally, so I find it ridiculous when people go crazy on Facebook about some dentist shooting a bear or whatever. Faux outrage. What's more outrageous is the fact we're doing nothing about the destruction of the planet.

tomwaterford · 05-11-2017 05:34PM

TBF of the killing of eagles etc....it's to do with livestock espially young lambs I'd imagine??

I do feel an awlful hypocrite at times....I hate the hunt of foxes by horses and hounds etc on cruelty grounds...but have no issue shooting them

wakka12 · 05-11-2017 05:37PM

Ahh

Animals really deserve a better world than the one we control

Synthol · 05-11-2017 05:43PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.

From the Journal.

From Unilad

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Why are you unnecessarily killing innocent animals by eating meat and supporting the meat industry which results in more animals getting slaughtered for taste pleasure.

Synthol · 05-11-2017 05:45PM

Wailin wrote: »

Yes, animals bred to eat, ie cattle, sheep, pigs etc. Not rare birds of pray or big cats nearly extinct, tiger, snow leopard etc.

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

wakka12 · 05-11-2017 05:47PM

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you unnecessarily killing innocent animals by eating meat and supporting the meat industry which results in more animals getting slaughtered for taste pleasure.

I dont support the meat industry it has some very cruel elements but its a completely different discussion. They are domestic animals that would die out in the wild, not that it makes it okay really but its just completely different. And it does feed people, keeps people alive. That is a valid purpose
These are rare animals, being shot for no reason, just no comparison in my eyes

Synthol · 05-11-2017 05:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

For taste pleasure. Eating animals is completely unnecessary and studies have shown that a vegan diet is healthier and adequate. You can start going off about vitamin b12 but realize that the animals have been supplemented with b12. Vegan diet wasn't adequate 20 years ago but currently it is and that's what matters.

Dr Crayfish · 05-11-2017 05:48PM

Synthol wrote: »

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

People see farm animals as food and don't care about their suffering but tigers, dogs etc, are fluffy cute beautiful things. I'd love to know how many people would become vegetarian if they had to visit a few abattoirs!

archer22 · 05-11-2017 05:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.

From the Journal.

From Unilad

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Because they can get away with it..simple as that.

wakka12 · 05-11-2017 05:49PM

Synthol wrote: »

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

More important yes as they are dying out. Once there are a lot/too many of certain animals then they arent really considered any more important pigs are. If fallow deers were endangered then there would be uproar if people shot them. But there are too many and are regularly culled

Its to do with how endangered the species is that shows importance

If there were millions of snow leoprds and they made nice tasting meat then snow leopards would be killed and eaten like pigs are. Its nothing against the animal species itself

Synthol · 05-11-2017 05:50PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont support the meat industry it has some very cruel elements but its a completely different discussion. They are domestic animals that would die out in the wild, not that it makes it okay really but its just completely different. And it does feed people, keeps people alive. That is a valid purpose
These are rare animals, being shot for no reason, just no comparison in my eyes

It's literally like saying white/black people are more superior than Asian therefore, if they die, it's not as important. Ohh it's humans now so it doesn't apply. Who are you to decide what's good for animals? Did you ask them yourself?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-11-2017 05:50PM

Because it's exclusive. The rarity of the animal enhances the value of the trophy. I'm assuming most 'trophy hunters' are very rich, which a) makes them more likely to be amoral assholes and b) brings them into "what to shoot for the man who's shot everything" territory. I don't agree with or relate to it, but it's not hard to understand the motivation in the abstract.

And yeah, the devices we're all typing on, the electricity that's powering them, the food we had for lunch are all brought to us courtesy of the destruction of the habitat or other indirect assaults on endangered species. And many of the species (especially marine and insect) which we're complicit in eradicating on a daily basis will have a fcuk of a lot more impact on the global ecosystem than a snow leopard.

This guys a dickhead, but we're all in glass houses here.

vicwatson · 05-11-2017 05:53PM

Synthol wrote: »

For taste pleasure. Eating animals is completely unnecessary and studies have shown that a vegan diet is healthier and adequate. You can start going off about vitamin b12 but realize that the animals have been supplemented with b12. Vegan diet wasn't adequate 20 years ago but currently it is and that's what matters.

Ah Jesus don’t start turning this into a meat eater/vegetarian/vegan debate

Synthol · 05-11-2017 05:53PM

wakka12 wrote: »

More important yes as they are dying out. Once there are a lot/too many of certain animals then they arent really considered any more important pigs are. If fallow deers were endangered then there would be uproar if people shot them. But there are too many and are regularly culled

Its to do with how endangered the species is that shows importance

Black people in this county are a minority, does that mean that they should be treated differently than white people?
The only reason domestic animals aren't endangered and never will be is because they are continuously bred for that purpose.

wakka12 · 05-11-2017 05:54PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

People see farm animals as food and don't care about their suffering but tigers, dogs etc, are fluffy cute beautiful things. I'd love to know how many people would become vegetarian if they had to visit a few abattoirs!

Its not just because theyre cute though. Lamps and piglets are among the cutest things Ive ever seen, and many other beautiful species are killed for their pelts

Dr Crayfish · 05-11-2017 05:57PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Its not just because theyre cute though. Lamps and piglets are among the cutest things Ive ever seen, and many other beautiful species are killed for their pelts

I suppose it's just our conditioning. I wonder how many of us would be ok with having a lamb killed in front of you to eat? I think we'd all eat a lot less meat if we weren't so disconnected with where it comes from.

archer22 · 05-11-2017 06:04PM

If we ever discover Aliens, they better kill us as soon as we land.Otherwise we will be eating skinning and experimenting on them in no time.
Lets face it Humans are a dreadful species...as Ghandi put it "you can tell how civilised a people are by the way they treat the Animals".

Just seen the Fox hunt passing down the road here now after their day's 'sport'.:(

wakka12 · 05-11-2017 06:05PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I suppose it's just our conditioning. I wonder how many of us would be ok with having a lamb killed in front of you to eat? I think we'd all eat a lot less meat if we weren't so disconnected with where it comes from.

It is completely social conditioning! I honestly cant think of any other reasons why some animals are eaten and others arent other than it just is the way it is. Why dont we eat insects? Because ew.Though theyre a great source of protein and would be a very viable food industry that doesnt damage the environment like meat indsutry does. BUt then giant prawns and ugly looking sea insects are fine and served with their heads and legs on in fancy restaurants. As I said before youll see plenty of cute videos on fb of lambs and piglets playing alongside puppies but then most people have no qualms over eating 2 out of those 3 species for dinner. Horses as food are completely taboo in many places..same as dogs and then both species are only pets in the west

it just seems to differ from culture to culture for no apparent reason

Harry Palmr · 05-11-2017 06:08PM

There is a mentality in the farming population that any animal, bird that could kill or injure livestock is fair game. Regardless of the likelihood of anything happening.

tomwaterford · 05-11-2017 06:13PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There is a mentality in the farming population that any animal, bird that could kill or injure livestock is fair game. Regardless of the likelihood of anything happening.

Because their livilhood depends on it?

I know of where ravans (not allowed shot)..kill young lambs,attack sheep lambing and pick them alive

greencap · 05-11-2017 06:13PM

Well, trophies are rarely kept hidden away. (best twink, or nazi medals aside).

So trophy hunters by definition are doing it for image related purposes.

A trophy being a display.

Sure there's probably one or two that do it to impress themselves, and of course there are times where a trophy is a secondary result to the joy of sport, but in the case of trophy hunters the idea is usually 'show people this, then they'll think I'm that'.

Which is needy, so these people are crying for affection as much as the loud exhaust car owner.

basically, look at me, I live an exotic and dangerous life, I have an average sized penis too.

Can someone explain to me why someone would kill a snow leopard for fun?

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