Can someone explain to me why someone would kill a snow leopard for fun?

steddyeddy

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.


From the Journal.

INDISCRIMINATE POISONING, AND the shooting of birds are among the methods
used to illegally kill birds in Ireland.

According to a new European report Killing 2.0, which looks at which birds
are killed and how, an estimated 0.4 – 2.1 million individual birds are killed
per year across Europe and the Caucasus region – mostly for pest control or
hunting purposes.

The report shows that the bird group with the highest percentage of species
affected are birds of prey, or raptors. 51 out of 52 raptor species are affected
by illegal killing.

This is still relevant in Ireland, where it’s birds of prey are killed by
shooting and “indiscriminate” meat poisoning left out to kill animals such as
foxes and crows, says Niall Hatch of BirdWatch Ireland.

He says that the birds of prey they are most concerned about are red kites,
white-tailed eagles, golden eagles, buzzards and peregrine falcons.


But white-tailed eagles are of particular concern – in June 2007 Norway donated
15 eagles in an attempt to reintroduce the birds to Ireland.

From Unilad

A US trophy hunter is facing global criticism on social media after he shot a rare snow leopard and published this grinning picture online.

In the image, Hossein Golabchi – also known by the nickname Soudy – stands smiling from ear-to-ear as he stands with the stunning white and black animal draped across his shoulders.

The leopard appears to have been shot at least twice in the rear and blood can be seen seeping down its coat.

Golabchi, originally from Iran, came under fire after the so-called trophy hunting snap circulated online, according to the Mirror.
At the time of writing, more than 100,000 people have signed a petition calling for Golabchi to be brought to justice.
The appeal was originally launched by account user Amanda on Care2 – an online community which champions animal rights – on October 23, which was International Snow Leopard Day.
The non-profit organisation, Defenders of Wildlife, have reported there are only an estimated 3,500 to 7,000 snow leopards left in the wild, with 600 to 700 being in zoos.

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Beats me. Senseless.

_Dara_

Because they’re a cunt.

steddyeddy

_Dara_ wrote: »

Because they’re a cunt.

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diomed

They have a gun to protect themselves?

vicwatson

What a scummer doing a very scummy thing

Worth signing the petition?

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/111/531/275/bring-hossein-quotsoldyquot-golabchi-the-us-snow-leopard-poacher-to-justice/?TAP=1724

steddyeddy

vicwatson wrote: »

What a scummer doing a very scummy thing

Worth signing the petition?

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/111/531/275/bring-hossein-quotsoldyquot-golabchi-the-us-snow-leopard-poacher-to-justice/?TAP=1724

Done!

Dr Crayfish

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

steddyeddy

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

Wailin

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Most of us are responsible for the killing of animals every day

Yes, animals bred to eat, ie cattle, sheep, pigs etc. Not rare birds of pray or big cats nearly extinct, tiger, snow leopard etc.

Dr Crayfish

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

No but the fact we buy plastic bottles and pretty much everything we do in the developed world is destroying the planet and the habitat of all animals. Palm oil for example, it's in so many things we buy, and is grown in Indonesia after clearing jungle for it, jungle where many endangered species live. The world is f*cked, totally, so I find it ridiculous when people go crazy on Facebook about some dentist shooting a bear or whatever. Faux outrage. What's more outrageous is the fact we're doing nothing about the destruction of the planet.

tomwaterford

TBF of the killing of eagles etc....it's to do with livestock espially young lambs I'd imagine??



I do feel an awlful hypocrite at times....I hate the hunt of foxes by horses and hounds etc on cruelty grounds...but have no issue shooting them

wakka12

Ahh
Animals really deserve a better world than the one we control

Synthol

steddyeddy wrote: »

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.


From the Journal.




From Unilad


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Why are you unnecessarily killing innocent animals by eating meat and supporting the meat industry which results in more animals getting slaughtered for taste pleasure.

Synthol

Wailin wrote: »

Yes, animals bred to eat, ie cattle, sheep, pigs etc. Not rare birds of pray or big cats nearly extinct, tiger, snow leopard etc.

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

wakka12

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you unnecessarily killing innocent animals by eating meat and supporting the meat industry which results in more animals getting slaughtered for taste pleasure.

I dont support the meat industry it has some very cruel elements but its a completely different discussion. They are domestic animals that would die out in the wild, not that it makes it okay really but its just completely different. And it does feed people, keeps people alive. That is a valid purpose
These are rare animals, being shot for no reason, just no comparison in my eyes

Synthol

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

For taste pleasure. Eating animals is completely unnecessary and studies have shown that a vegan diet is healthier and adequate. You can start going off about vitamin b12 but realize that the animals have been supplemented with b12. Vegan diet wasn't adequate 20 years ago but currently it is and that's what matters.

Dr Crayfish

Synthol wrote: »

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

People see farm animals as food and don't care about their suffering but tigers, dogs etc, are fluffy cute beautiful things. I'd love to know how many people would become vegetarian if they had to visit a few abattoirs!

archer22

steddyeddy wrote: »

While you're at it can anyone tell me why shooters are killing white tailed eagles donated to us by Norway? Something we made the Norway headlines for. I don't understand this. I'm not against hunting, but why kill animals that are endangered? The need to kill something rare is something alien to me.


From the Journal.




From Unilad


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Because they can get away with it..simple as that.

wakka12

Synthol wrote: »

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? If you were are a pig would you be happy with that? Hmm let's try and compare the same with humans...

More important yes as they are dying out. Once there are a lot/too many of certain animals then they arent really considered any more important pigs are. If fallow deers were endangered then there would be uproar if people shot them. But there are too many and are regularly culled

Its to do with how endangered the species is that shows importance

If there were millions of snow leoprds and they made nice tasting meat then snow leopards would be killed and eaten like pigs are. Its nothing against the animal species itself

Synthol

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont support the meat industry it has some very cruel elements but its a completely different discussion. They are domestic animals that would die out in the wild, not that it makes it okay really but its just completely different. And it does feed people, keeps people alive. That is a valid purpose
These are rare animals, being shot for no reason, just no comparison in my eyes

It's literally like saying white/black people are more superior than Asian therefore, if they die, it's not as important. Ohh it's humans now so it doesn't apply. Who are you to decide what's good for animals? Did you ask them yourself?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Because it's exclusive. The rarity of the animal enhances the value of the trophy. I'm assuming most 'trophy hunters' are very rich, which a) makes them more likely to be amoral assholes and b) brings them into "what to shoot for the man who's shot everything" territory. I don't agree with or relate to it, but it's not hard to understand the motivation in the abstract.

And yeah, the devices we're all typing on, the electricity that's powering them, the food we had for lunch are all brought to us courtesy of the destruction of the habitat or other indirect assaults on endangered species. And many of the species (especially marine and insect) which we're complicit in eradicating on a daily basis will have a fcuk of a lot more impact on the global ecosystem than a snow leopard.

This guys a dickhead, but we're all in glass houses here.

vicwatson

Synthol wrote: »

For taste pleasure. Eating animals is completely unnecessary and studies have shown that a vegan diet is healthier and adequate. You can start going off about vitamin b12 but realize that the animals have been supplemented with b12. Vegan diet wasn't adequate 20 years ago but currently it is and that's what matters.

Ah Jesus don’t start turning this into a meat eater/vegetarian/vegan debate

Synthol

wakka12 wrote: »

More important yes as they are dying out. Once there are a lot/too many of certain animals then they arent really considered any more important pigs are. If fallow deers were endangered then there would be uproar if people shot them. But there are too many and are regularly culled

Its to do with how endangered the species is that shows importance

Black people in this county are a minority, does that mean that they should be treated differently than white people?
The only reason domestic animals aren't endangered and never will be is because they are continuously bred for that purpose.

wakka12

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

People see farm animals as food and don't care about their suffering but tigers, dogs etc, are fluffy cute beautiful things. I'd love to know how many people would become vegetarian if they had to visit a few abattoirs!

Its not just because theyre cute though. Lamps and piglets are among the cutest things Ive ever seen, and many other beautiful species are killed for their pelts

Dr Crayfish

wakka12 wrote: »

Its not just because theyre cute though. Lamps and piglets are among the cutest things Ive ever seen, and many other beautiful species are killed for their pelts

I suppose it's just our conditioning. I wonder how many of us would be ok with having a lamb killed in front of you to eat? I think we'd all eat a lot less meat if we weren't so disconnected with where it comes from.

archer22

If we ever discover Aliens, they better kill us as soon as we land.Otherwise we will be eating skinning and experimenting on them in no time.
Lets face it Humans are a dreadful species...as Ghandi put it "you can tell how civilised a people are by the way they treat the Animals".

Just seen the Fox hunt passing down the road here now after their day's 'sport'.:(

wakka12

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I suppose it's just our conditioning. I wonder how many of us would be ok with having a lamb killed in front of you to eat? I think we'd all eat a lot less meat if we weren't so disconnected with where it comes from.

It is completely social conditioning! I honestly cant think of any other reasons why some animals are eaten and others arent other than it just is the way it is. Why dont we eat insects? Because ew.Though theyre a great source of protein and would be a very viable food industry that doesnt damage the environment like meat indsutry does. BUt then giant prawns and ugly looking sea insects are fine and served with their heads and legs on in fancy restaurants. As I said before youll see plenty of cute videos on fb of lambs and piglets playing alongside puppies but then most people have no qualms over eating 2 out of those 3 species for dinner. Horses as food are completely taboo in many places..same as dogs and then both species are only pets in the west

it just seems to differ from culture to culture for no apparent reason

Harry Palmr

There is a mentality in the farming population that any animal, bird that could kill or injure livestock is fair game. Regardless of the likelihood of anything happening.

tomwaterford

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There is a mentality in the farming population that any animal, bird that could kill or injure livestock is fair game. Regardless of the likelihood of anything happening.

Because their livilhood depends on it?

I know of where ravans (not allowed shot)..kill young lambs,attack sheep lambing and pick them alive

greencap

Well, trophies are rarely kept hidden away. (best twink, or nazi medals aside).

So trophy hunters by definition are doing it for image related purposes.

A trophy being a display.

Sure there's probably one or two that do it to impress themselves, and of course there are times where a trophy is a secondary result to the joy of sport, but in the case of trophy hunters the idea is usually 'show people this, then they'll think I'm that'.

Which is needy, so these people are crying for affection as much as the loud exhaust car owner.

basically, look at me, I live an exotic and dangerous life, I have an average sized penis too.

steddyeddy

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

No but the fact we buy plastic bottles and pretty much everything we do in the developed world is destroying the planet and the habitat of all animals. Palm oil for example, it's in so many things we buy, and is grown in Indonesia after clearing jungle for it, jungle where many endangered species live. The world is f*cked, totally, so I find it ridiculous when people go crazy on Facebook about some dentist shooting a bear or whatever. Faux outrage. What's more outrageous is the fact we're doing nothing about the destruction of the planet.

The difference is we acknowledge the destruction of the planet. I'm personally involved in a project to engineer bacteria to digest polyethylene terephthalate (PET plastics). It's working. People are also working on cheaper and more ecological methods to generate palm mixtures.

There's large public support for these environmental problems and a lot of research underway. The difference between those problems and someone killing a rare animal for fun is that there's people actually defending this by calling it "faux outrage".

EPAndlee

Imagine how amazing this planet would be without humans

steddyeddy

archer22 wrote: »

Because they can get away with it..simple as that.

I know why they get away with it in developing countries, but not Ireland. A colleague at UCD's ecology department is trying to shed light on the killing of the endangered sea eagles and not getting anywhere. Gun clubs actively refuse to help him, insisting they don't want to get involved.

steddyeddy

EPAndlee wrote: »

Imagine how amazing this planet would be without humans

That's debatable. Of course we have climate change and pollution, but look at the wonderful civilisations. cultures and languages we developed.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

steddyeddy wrote: »

The difference is we acknowledge the destruction of the planet. I'm personally involved in a project to engineer bacteria to digest polyethylene terephthalate (PET plastics). It's working. People are also working on cheaper and more ecological methods to generate palm mixtures.

There's large public support for these environmental problems and a lot of research underway. The difference between those problems and someone killing a rare animal for fun is that there's people actually defending this by calling it "faux outrage".

We do acknowledge it but nobody gets upset or angry about it to the degree that they do about things like this or that lion. There is massive destruction of unique habitats on a daily basis, habitats that are either crucial for endangered species or the destruction of which will likely endanger other species. The destruction of the ocean driven by commercial fishing and transport is making life hell or impossible for dozens of species. People care about that in a "oh gee that's awful" way, but not in a "someone should be jailed!" way or even a "maybe I won't eat fish anymore" way, by and large. People who are full-time engaged with it or make lifestyle adjustments are dismissed as hippies and idealists.

But shoot one nice looking large mammal, and people go nuts. There's a big element of cognitive dissonance or downright hypocrisy there.

Dr Crayfish

steddyeddy wrote: »

I know why they get away with it in developing countries, but not Ireland. A colleague at UCD's ecology department is trying to shed light on the killing of the endangered sea eagles and not getting anywhere. Gun clubs actively refuse to help him, insisting they don't want to get involved.

We wiped out any wilderness here and most of our wild animals a long time ago, for farming purposes mostly. We are the lowest forested country in Europe.

B.A._Baracus

Was just watching some random YouTube videos about ocean life and the viciousness in nature is something else. Then came across this thread and thought is this any different?

Like we are meant to be civilised, we are meant to be intelligent etc so it does not make sense to just kill an animal for no reason except for the sport of it. But look to nature.... How dog eat dog it is so to speak. It's cruel. It's vicious.

Then again look to ourselves as a species. We have created weapons to kill each other. Mass weapons to kill each other. We breed animals destined to be slaughtered. We went to war with each other countless times. So does any of this story surprise us? Is it that bad when we step back?

On one hand I say it's wrong he shot the leopard. I do mean that... But on the other I say it is what it is. The world keeps turning.

steddyeddy

Aliana Repulsive Tenet wrote: »

We do acknowledge it but nobody gets upset or angry about it to the degree that they do about things like this or that lion. There is massive destruction of unique habitats on a daily basis, habitats that are either crucial for endangered species or the destruction of which will likely endanger other species. The destruction of the ocean driven by commercial fishing and transport is making life hell or impossible for dozens of species. People care about that in a "oh gee that's awful" way, but not in a "someone should be jailed!" way or even a "maybe I won't eat fish anymore" way, by and large. People who are full-time engaged with it or make lifestyle adjustments are dismissed as hippies and idealists.

But shoot one nice looking large mammal, and people go nuts. There's a big element of cognitive dissonance or downright hypocrisy there.

It would only be cognitive dissonance if two opposing views were held. I completely agree with the destruction of the planet, loss of life and pollution being unacceptable. Everyone's actions contribute to this unfortunately. There's a world of difference between indirect destruction of the planet and directly going out and reducing one of the world's rarest species for fun.

The fact that a trophy hunter resulted in -1 rare species isn't what bothers me the most. It's the psychology of deliberately killing a rare animal like this for fun.

steddyeddy

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Was just watching some random YouTube videos about ocean life and the viciousness in nature is something else. Then came across this thread and thought is this any different?

Like we are meant to be civilised, we are meant to be intelligent etc so it does not make sense to just kill an animal for no reason except for the sport of it. But look to nature.... How dog eat dog it is so to speak. It's cruel. It's vicious.

Then again look to ourselves as a species. We have created weapons to kill each other. Mass weapons to kill each other. We breed animals destined to be slaughtered. We went to war with each other countless times. So does any of this story surprise us? Is it that bad when we step back?

On one hand I say it's wrong he shot the leopard. I do mean that... But on the other I say it is what it is. The world keeps turning.

Humans aren't homogeneous in our nature. Some people, like this man are less civilised than others.

B.A._Baracus

steddyeddy wrote: »

Humans aren't homogeneous in our nature. Some people, like this man are less civilised than others.

True. Very true.
Not everyone is the same. However what's that old saying.... If their was a war on tomorrow but I guess that's for another topic.

Ahhh to be honest. It's wrong. But feck it. It don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

steddyeddy wrote: »

It would only be cognitive dissonance if two opposing views were held.

But there are. One man shoot one leopard = worst thing, so bad, outrageous, it's endangered. Me contribute daily to destruction of endangered species = that vaguely is bad, but I care ten times more about Stranger Things.

If the argument is that it's worse to kill something that's endangered, by what processes did those species become endangered? Generally as a result of globalisation and neoliberal capitalism, from which every person here materially benefits at the expense of those animals and other human beings. Why is endangering a species worse than shooting 1/7000th of that species? You say going out and shooting something directly is a world of difference, why and how is it worse?

If the argument is that his motivations (the thrill and exlcusivity of it) are not a good enough justification to kill the animal, who are we to say that when most of us eat animals, several times a day, for pleasure and convenience. The feeding and slaughter and transport of those animals very directly contribute to the degradation of the planet, and a pig is every bit as intelligent and capable of feeling pain and distress as a leopard.

Wailin

Synthol wrote: »

Black people in this county are a minority, does that mean that they should be treated differently than white people?
The only reason domestic animals aren't endangered and never will be is because they are continuously bred for that purpose.

You speak utter nonsense.

Nabber

I’m all in favor of allowing people to hunt wild animals. Any animal they’d like.

But on 2 conditions
1. They eat all the meat
2. They do it bare handed or with a flint spear. That they must make.

I get that the human brain is our weapon. But we have gone past the hunter gatherer. So anyone who wants to go back to it, should do so on a fair playing field.

A bullet to the animal from 200m away is cowardly.
If a man or woman can jump a lion and punch it to death, then go for it!

I find people get dis-proportionally irate about this kind of thing. Reminds of that ridiculous furor over that dentist who wanted to hunt a lion.

Grayson

steddyeddy wrote: »

Very true, but not for fun and not rare ones. It isn't black or white.

but snow leopards are both

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

Why are you unnecessarily killing innocent animals by eating meat

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I'd love to know how many people would become vegetarian if they had to visit a few abattoirs!

I myself have never been shown any arguments against the eating of meat in and of itself. All the arguments are against how we currently farm it. Which are two different subjects for me.

So I continue to eat meat - but I do make more efforts than anyone I know to do so as ethically as possible within my time - money - and resources budget.

Where possible I eat meat I have hunted and killed myself. I fish for one example. And I catch wild rabbit for another. 2 of a few examples.

Where possible after that I keep my own animals. So I have a few of those. The Xmas Geese for some years now for example have been geese that have grown and lived on my land.

I also have a good friendship with some local farmers and butchers - so when I do have to go the route of purchasing meat I do so as ethically as my budget allows. It costs significantly more to buy the meat I do compared to just dropping into the local Supermarket.

So I do my bit to eat meat ethically. But the arguments for never eating it at all appear to be thin on the ground for me.

Are Am Eye

Animals are people too you know.

gramar

I know a fella who shot a def leppard once. He didn't hear it coming.

Kermit.de.frog

Playing devils advocate here.

Just because it's violent and painful end for the victim does not mean it is not fun for the perpetrator?

I'd imagine it could be quite fun.

Also just an observation; it's interesting to note the rush to jump to the defence of an animal against a human perpetrator in Ireland...

..yet in this country victims of crime don't seem to see their human perpetrators recieve the same venom and outcomes in our justice system.

Bizarre.

Odhinn

Synthol wrote: »

So you're saying tigers are more important than pigs? Why? I..

Because there's fuck all Tigers left, and pigs are a prey animal. A tasty prey animal at that.