Halligan to visit grumpy Kim?

tomwaterford · 03-11-2017 10:18pm #1

Seems John Haligan wants to be an International minister of peace

Swear I taught this was waterford whispers when I heard this earlier :pac:

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2017/1103/917218-halligan-korea/

exaisle · 03-11-2017 10:18pm

I hope he stays there for all the good he does here.

tomwaterford · 03-11-2017 10:26pm

Come to think of it....Isn't Haligan ex workers party? ?

boombang · 03-11-2017 10:30pm

He can travel on his own account if he wants, but this would have to be one of the most stupid wastes of public money if he goes as a Parliamentary visit.

Harry Palmr · 04-11-2017 12:05am

****ing embarrassing.

marlin vs · 04-11-2017 9:50am

He's making a right laughing stock of himself, he has to be pitied at this stage.

deandean · 04-11-2017 10:00am

The Only Good Thing That will come out of this, will be the brilliant storylines from Waterford Whispers.

Wailin · 04-11-2017 10:03am

The man is an embarrassment....and for a long time now. Waterfords version of Healy Rae.

MRnotlob606 · 04-11-2017 10:13am

Workers party had links with the North Koreans, possibly why Halligan stepped in being ex-worker party himself. Perhaps one of the most bizarre suggestions to ever come out of the state.

Harry Palmr · 04-11-2017 12:11pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Workers party had links with the North Koreans, possibly why Halligan stepped in being ex-worker party himself. Perhaps one of the most bizarre suggestions to ever come out of the state.

Maybe he knows a way to turn all those fake Dollars into actual money! :pac:

Royal Legend · 04-11-2017 12:16pm

And Shane Ross is going as well, more important for Shane to talk to Kim than to the transport unions

p.s. I don't think Ross is ex-Workers Party

Deiseen · 04-11-2017 2:06pm

Wailin wrote: »

The man is an embarrassment....and for a long time now. Waterfords version of Healy Rae.

That's a bit harsh, aside from believing in aliens (don't we all?) what has he said that's anything like the fairy believing, climate change denying healy rays?
He's fought hard for the region and used strong words indeed but that was over the very serious matter of the hospital which, was and is, costing lives.

Cabaal · 04-11-2017 2:31pm

Deiseen wrote: »

That's a bit harsh, aside from believing in aliens (don't we all?) what has he said that's anything like the fairy believing, climate change denying healy rays?
He's fought hard for the region and used strong words indeed but that was over the very serious matter of the hospital which, was and is, costing lives.

Yeah I'd tend to agree, he is no where near on the same low level as Healy-Rae's. Though the whole idea of traveling to North Korea is idiotic as hell and I hope to hell such a silly trip is not approved as it would be a utter waste of money.

Taxburden carrier · 04-11-2017 2:38pm

Comical Halli !

Beechwoodspark · 04-11-2017 2:43pm

you would think Halligan has enough on his plate representing the people of waterford without publicity stunts like this.

Heading over to NK with his 2 best buddies.

Is he a headbanger or what?

irishgrover · 04-11-2017 2:51pm

Is this the chain smoking anti-vaxer fella who wants to run the Dept of health?

Harry Palmr · 04-11-2017 2:53pm

Cabaal wrote: »

I hope to hell such a silly trip is not approved as it would be a utter waste of money.

They say they'll pay out of their own pockets - ie ours.

Wanderer78 · 04-11-2017 4:29pm

It's not gonna happen folks, mellow out and enjoy your weekend

zurbfoundation · 04-11-2017 6:13pm

Yeah but that's irrelevant - the fact that these lads want to go there and medal rather than excersise the parish pump politics they were elected for is the astounding thing. Lord Ross is getting his Garda station back and has no interest in actually solving any transport issues - has halligan deliver the hospital amendment yet that he threaten to pull his support over?

DanMurphy · 04-11-2017 6:25pm

Could there be a Nobel Peace Prize in it?
Though it's not polite to speculate on another persons ambitions, but O' Bama won it for less.

Wanderer78 · 04-11-2017 7:14pm

DanMurphy wrote: »

Could there be a Nobel Peace Prize in it?
Though it's not polite to speculate on another persons ambitions, but O' Bama won it for less.

must be an orwellian award!

Max Powers · 04-11-2017 7:23pm

If anybody listened to halligan on the radio, he was on about cultural exchanges and the likes, he or no one thinks he's gonna walk into a meeting with Kim and persuade him to abandon his nukes.I do believe things like cultural exchanges are a good place to start if you are trying to bridge a gap so let's not all dismiss it like the tabloid media who like to portray halligan as a nutter.
They did similar exchanges up north..catholic kid stays with protestant family and visa versa, it was big success, I'm not saying it caused the peace process but one thing never does solve big problems.

Taxburden carrier · 04-11-2017 8:30pm

Max Powers wrote: »

If anybody listened to halligan on the radio, he was on about cultural exchanges and the likes, he or no one thinks he's gonna walk into a meeting with Kim and persuade him to abandon his nukes.I do believe things like cultural exchanges are a good place to start if you are trying to bridge a gap so let's not all dismiss it like the tabloid media who like to portray halligan as a nutter.
They did similar exchanges up north..catholic kid stays with protestant family and visa versa, it was big success, I'm not saying it caused the peace process but one thing never does solve big problems.

If that means John goes to stay with Kim for a few years then I'm all for it .:rolleyes:

Cabaal · 04-11-2017 8:32pm

Max Powers wrote: »

They did similar exchanges up north..catholic kid stays with protestant family and visa versa, it was big success, I'm not saying it caused the peace process but one thing never does solve big problems.

They did similar exchanges up the north of Ireland but North Korea is NOTHING like Northern Ireland ever was. So in anyway trying to compare them is rather silly.

North Korea is basically like somebody read the book 1984 and decided to style the entire country on it, you will be murdered for being disrespectful to a picture of their dear leader. The government cares little about murdering or sending entire family's to camps in retribution for a family member illegally leaving the country.

If anybody visits from NK they'll be approved vetted government shills, nothing more, they won't be the avg Joe by any stretch of the imagination.

It won't be a cultural exchange, it'll be a channel for the NK government to channel their message about their great leader.

Max Powers · 04-11-2017 9:15pm

Cabaal wrote: »

They did similar exchanges up the north of Ireland but North Korea is NOTHING like Northern Ireland ever was. So in anyway trying to compare them is rather silly.

North Korea is basically like somebody read the book 1984 and decided to style the entire country on it, you will be murdered for being disrespectful to a picture of their dear leader. The government cares little about murdering or sending entire family's to camps in retribution for a family member illegally leaving the country.

If anybody visits from NK they'll be approved vetted government shills, nothing more, they won't be the avg Joe by any stretch of the imagination.

It won't be a cultural exchange, it'll be a channel for the NK government to channel their message about their great leader.

All fair enough cabaal, agree its different to NI but the example i gave about NI is just an example , different ideas required for NK, but anything that opens up communication has potential to be positive in some tiny way, little acorns...as the saying goes, can't recall it.
Do I think the independents could change NK..I seriously doubt

Gardner · 06-11-2017 11:58am

Don’t see anything wrong with it. Their going off their own backs i.e. paying for flights and accom and going while the government is on holidays. Be interesting to see the outcome of their visit.

Wanderer78 · 06-11-2017 12:37pm

Gardner wrote: »

Don’t see anything wrong with it. Their going off their own backs i.e. paying for flights and accom and going while the government is on holidays. Be interesting to see the outcome of their visit.

trip wont happen but nk would be an interesting country to visit.

theoneeyedman · 06-11-2017 1:08pm

Gardner wrote: »

Don’t see anything wrong with it. Their going off their own backs i.e. paying for flights and accom and going while the government is on holidays. Be interesting to see the outcome of their visit.

I agree.
If they let Minister Ross to organise the trip, they won't get far.... It's not like he knows anything about transport!

backspin. · 06-11-2017 1:12pm

The pair of them will end up smashing rocks in some north Korean gulag.

Chiparus · 06-11-2017 1:46pm

If he was going to saudi arabia, we would not bat an eyelid, a country with no democracy , where all other religions are banned , where half of society has no basic human rights,

So when the king of this medieval kingdom dies , we fly all government flags at half mast.

Wake up and question the propaganda you are being fed.

Junior · 06-11-2017 3:00pm

irishgrover wrote: »

Is this the chain smoking anti-vaxer fella who wants to run the Dept of health?

No that's Finian McGrath.

gw80 · 06-11-2017 11:13pm

Wasn't there some, eh, unpleasantness with waterford whispers and NK a few years back, maybe John should not mention waterford if he actually goes there:)

tomwaterford · 08-11-2017 6:33pm

A potential reason why he wanted to get a ridcolus story out about himself

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/union-describes-junior-minister-john-halligans-marital-interview-question-as-shameful-813277.html

He's the gift that keeps giving!

storker · 08-11-2017 9:06pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

A potential reason why he wanted to get a ridcolus story out about himself

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/union-describes-junior-minister-john-halligans-marital-interview-question-as-shameful-813277.html

He's the gift that keeps giving!

Some are calling for his resignation over this. On the plus side from his point of view, it would free up his calendar for that North Korea trip...

mooseknunkle · 09-11-2017 9:51am

A quick stop off in Thailand on his way?

https://twitter.com/IrlEmbBangkok/status/928437197321093121

Harry Palmr · 09-11-2017 10:47am

Imagine asking a woman if she is a mother (the married bit is irrelevant these days)? I'm shocked! We all know she'll be the one who looks after Ophelia when she has a runny nose.

Deiseen · 09-11-2017 10:52am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Imagine asking a woman if she is a mother (the married bit is irrelevant these days)? I'm shocked! We all know she'll be the one who looks after Ophelia when she has a runny nose.

I think its actually unbelievable he got pulled up on it. Ya literally can't say anything these days.

He didn't help his case by saying "i probably shouldn't ask you this" that makes everything sound dodgey!

noby · 09-11-2017 11:13am

Deiseen wrote: »

I think its actually unbelievable he got pulled up on it. Ya literally can't say anything these days.

Ya Literally can't say anything that contravenes the Employment Equality act these days *rolls eyes*

People are making it out to be so benign, but historically it is such a loaded question, and that's why the law is there.

Deusexmachina · 09-11-2017 11:20am

Sean Sherlock on RYE radio now calling for Halligan to lose his job over asking a woman if she is married in an interview.

While the question was not correct or legally appropriate - for God's sake - lose his job??

I once met Sherlock - thought he was okay. I was wrong - vindictive little prick

Deiseen · 09-11-2017 11:21am

noby wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

I think its actually unbelievable he got pulled up on it. Ya literally can't say anything these days.

Ya Literally can't say anything that contravenes the Employment Equality act these days *rolls eyes*

People are making it out to be so benign, but historically it is such a loaded question, and that's why the law is there.

Look, I understand it was inappropriate, but on the "inappropriate scale" it is way the pecking order.
He got done for discrimination but surely discrimination would only have occurred if he didn't give her the job based on being married with kids. Have they proven this?

noby · 09-11-2017 11:29am

It's illegal on the "inappropriate scale".

It's not proven that this was a deciding factor (as was said in the judgement), but she was the only one asked this question, and she didn't get the job. That obviously left it open enough for the WRC to find against him.

Look, I'm no expert on employment law, but if I was a junior minister, and was asked to sit in on an interview panel I'd be keeping my mouth shut unless I'm quite sure of what I'm saying. I don't think there was any malice in his question, but it did show naivety from him.

I think calling for his job might be excessive, but it's been a bad week for him, publicity-wise. I think if I was him I would be flying back to Ireland, and paying the fine out of my own pocket.

Max Powers · 09-11-2017 11:35am

He's been absolutely useless for Waterford, he's well intentioned but embarrassing IMO...I like his stance on assisted dying, the 8th, etc and to be fair is a decent person, but more of a liability at this stage possibly.end of day, first point is all that is important and has totally failed to deliver.hopefully voters will learn that the shouters or table bangers are still in nearly all cases useless.on this latest thing it is incredible that anyone would ask a question like that in interview, everyone knows this for decades.

Add....Agree with noby above, especially last point.

Deiseen · 09-11-2017 3:04pm

Max Powers wrote: »

He's been absolutely useless for Waterford, he's well intentioned but embarrassing IMO...I like his stance on assisted dying, the 8th, etc and to be fair is a decent person, but more of a liability at this stage possibly.end of day, first point is all that is important and has totally failed to deliver.hopefully voters will learn that the shouters or table bangers are still in nearly all cases useless.on this latest thing it is incredible that anyone would ask a question like that in interview, everyone knows this for decades.

Add....Agree with noby above, especially last point.

In fairness Max, if john is useless then what are the others? At least John makes a bit of noise, Callinan was more vocal when unelected!

Max Powers · 09-11-2017 4:02pm

Deiseen wrote: »

In fairness Max, if john is useless then what are the others? At least John makes a bit of noise, Callinan was more vocal when unelected!

Agree 100%,cullinane and others aren't in govt or junior ministers though.re:cullinane,I have seen him on the likes of Vincent brown thing and he comes across as politician like, measured and , clear, well spoken and forceful with his opinions.he has gone up in my opinion, he could bang tables when he was a councillor,I think he knows if ever to get in govt, that course not the best and has wizened up.it's that weird situation where I think he's good, not much of a fan of his party for now at least....not that im overly enthused about any party

Wanderer2010 · 09-11-2017 5:10pm

These Independents change their tune so often when they get into the Dail. Halligan had no intention of ever resigning his post over any issue and now he is just the laughing stock of Leo etc. I was actually surprised at how quickly Shane Ross completely turned his back on the electorate, he was a fine and accomplished speaker for opposition but Enda rang him up and gave him 30 shillings to throw the people to the kerb and now he has turned into John Deasy-nowhere to be seen or found even in the middle of a strike!

Then you have that other Independent guy who demanded an enquiry into the StarDust tragedy, banging his fists and now meekly accepting the Judges ruling and not a peep from any of them. Turncoats the lot of them.

Harry Palmr · 09-11-2017 5:17pm

Given his portfolio he could be a good friend to WIT but obviously playing local favourites should be frowned upon eh?

Cabaal · 09-11-2017 5:36pm

Deiseen wrote: »

I think its actually unbelievable he got pulled up on it. Ya literally can't say anything these days.

He didn't help his case by saying "i probably shouldn't ask you this" that makes everything sound dodgey!

Seriously worrying that you see no issue with this being asked during an interview.

A question such as he asked or similar questions like "are you planning to have kids or do you gave kids" or "are you gay or are you married to a man or woman" are bang out of order for any employer to ask during an interview.

It's simply none of their business what goes on in your personal life

mooseknunkle · 09-11-2017 8:31pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Seriously worrying that you see no issue with this being asked during an interview.

You've little to be worrying about if you're seriously worried about this!

Johnboy1951 · 10-11-2017 4:31pm

Is it not common for a person's CV to have a 'Marital Status' entry any more?

...... maybe this is now dispensed with in our rush to political correctness .....

I will add that 'marital status' always had a bearing on whether I employed someone or not.
When looking for stability in an employee it was preferred that he should be married.

Most businesses are employing a 'whole person' and not just a robot or part of a person.
Every aspect of a person's character and life is relevant to the decision.

OK, Halligan should not have asked the question ...... but he probably should have found the information by other means in order to make the best informed decision he could.

zurbfoundation · 10-11-2017 5:26pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Is it not common for a person's CV to have a 'Marital Status' entry any more?

not since the 80's -

Cant believe folks think its acceptable to ask questions of this nature in a job interview - where should it stop? Are you married? Kids? Any relatives in jail? any time-consuming hobbies? History of Family illness? etc

Halli should have kept going with the interogation.

He says he is gonna hang in there, but if he was in the UK, he would be out the door.

He better watch what he says in North Korea :pac:

MRnotlob606 · 10-11-2017 8:06pm

Anybody who goes anywhere near North Korea must be rightly out of their mind. They basically killed a student for ripping down a poster...

Halligan to visit grumpy Kim?

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