Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Outlaw Pete · 28-10-2017 02:55PM

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

AFAIK the Met is looking into Lysette Anderson's allegations with a view to preparing a case.

It's Lysette Anthony. The chick from old Bryan Adams videos. Run To You, Summer of 69, Heaven etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TtwR2Dbjg

Sierra Oscar · 28-10-2017 02:59PM

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924214506187870208

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924215231894773761

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924216101252292608

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924217000230113280

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924217659545341953

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924218153768538112

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/924218525203431424

Watch this space.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 03:02PM

tara73 wrote: »

yes, sure there are some of these come to play. But I would guess there are a lot of recent incidences.

I'd be pretty confident there's loads.

But a lot of the specific allegations with named accusers are from the 90s.

And the story only broke this month. Multiple jurisdictions, multiple accusers, huge public attention, very powerful and rich accused. Even if there is some foot dragging, I'd imagine that building the case very slowly and carefully is the way to go. Even if he somehow had been charged by now he'd be on bail. It could be years before he sees the inside of a prison cell if he ever does.

Billy86 · 28-10-2017 03:04PM

So a male Irish celebrity/public figure who is both on Twitter and would have to be at least in their sixties...

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 03:05PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's Lysette Anthony. The chick from old Bryan Adams videos. Run To You, Summer of 69, Heaven etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TtwR2Dbjg

Oops, thanks I'll fix it. Before my time in my defence.

Outlaw Pete · 28-10-2017 03:11PM

Well, I did say old Bryan Adams videos

She was more recently in Hollyoaks, perhaps more your era.

scopper · 28-10-2017 04:31PM

tara73 wrote: »

why in gods name is this person still not in jail? Honest question, not just rhetorical. Isn't here anybody who's familiar with the law in the States? Is there any real reason from the legal side they can't arrest this man? Over 50 or how many cases came forward and still not enough to put him in imprisonment on remand?

It seems possible to do this, remember the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case? He was pulled out of a plane and put in solitary confinement on Rikers Island. Why can't this be applied to this piece of sh** Weinstein?

Not looking for discussion here, would like to know from anybody with real knowledge about the law if there's a reason they can't arrest him.

There are a few reasons why this happens with bigger cases. There might be debate over *where* to arrest him, this guy operated on a national scale, so they may be discussing where is best.

They likely know it's going to be a complicated case and that W will be lawyered up, so they need to consider who has the best skillset to break that down.

Then there is a 'celeb' issue, you don't want another spectacle like OJ, where he freaks out and goes on the run.

But I would not be too concerned. They are just being sensible and what is he going to do anyway, he's hugely famous, he's not going to be able to jump on a plane without being noticed.

Hammer89 · 28-10-2017 04:32PM

Ugh, utterly embarrasing.

Because of Ciara Kelly's revelation, this 'IrishWeinsteing' hashtag is going to pop up everywhere; from tweets about a female employee being complimented by a male employer, to some young lass getting her hole groped in Coppers by someone from Kilkenny. Suddenly there's going to be a lot of Weinstein-esque monsters in Ireland. Just watch.

I have no problem with speaking up, but I do have a problem with Ciara claiming there's an 'IrishWeinstein' on the basis that some celebrity invited her to Costa and continuously slid into her DMs when she refused. Everything else - the rape accusation, the broken passenger door, the wife-beating - isn't factual. It's her repeating rumours.

Plus, why was she so afraid of speaking out before this Weinstein thing broke? Was this mystery pervert going to get her medical license revoked? Was he going to have her kicked off her sh*tty radio show? If not then he's not an 'IrishWeinstein' because that's where his power comes from, the fact he can make or break a young woman's entire career if she didn't play ball. That's one of the reasons why it's such a massive, f*cked up story.

This Irish bloke, whoever he is, is just some sick f*ck if those rumours turn out to be a true, but there really is no need to link it to what's going on in Hollywood, just to try and make it a bigger story than it is. Ridiculous.

tara73 · 28-10-2017 04:54PM

scopper wrote: »

There are a few reasons why this happens with bigger cases. There might be debate over *where* to arrest him, this guy operated on a national scale, so they may be discussing where is best.

if so, they are discussing for a whole lot of time now, for 3 or 4 weeks.

scopper wrote: »

They likely know it's going to be a complicated case and that W will be lawyered up, so they need to consider who has the best skillset to break that down.

I hope so, but that could also be done with him behind bars already.

scopper wrote: »

Then there is a 'celeb' issue, you don't want another spectacle like OJ, where he freaks out and goes on the run.

celeb or not, it's about a dangerous, evil man who needs to be locked up. Taking preventive measure shouldn't be an issue for a developed country like the U.S.

scopper wrote: »

But I would not be too concerned. They are just being sensible and what is he going to do anyway, he's hugely famous, he's not going to be able to jump on a plane without being noticed.

It's exactly about this!! He's a serial rapist!! From all we know he could have raped another dozen women at his time in his nice 'Rehab place' and could be at it the moment I write this!!
But hey, who cares, it's just women and their lives and souls destroyed.

tara73 · 28-10-2017 05:05PM

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

Even if he somehow had been charged by now he'd be on bail.

I'm pretty sure there are also in the U.S. laws in place for criminals who are highly dangerous and where's the risk they commit these crimes again when on bail (or also trying to flee the country) to suspend the grant of bail.

I guess it comes all back to corruption. The 'big player'' i.e. his cronies don't want him to be arrested, so he is not arrested.
This world makes one sick again and again.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 05:17PM

tara73 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there are also in the U.S. laws in place for criminals who are highly dangerous and where's the risk they commit these crimes again when on bail (or also trying to flee the country) to suspend the grant of bail.

I guess it comes all back to corruption. The 'big player'' i.e. his cronies don't want him to be arrested, so he is not arrested.
This world makes one sick again and again.

There are, but there are also laws against assaulting, raping, and abusing your employees and anything with a nice face and 2 x chromosomes in your general vicinity and yet here we are. There are cases where the argument for why someone gets bail is that basically they're really rich so jail would be really hard. He could make a legitimate argument for his safety too seeing as the case is a high profile sexual crime one.

I'm sure there are people who are still stalling on his behalf, but I'm sure there are also people who are conscientiously working on the case and people for whom it's a career godsend. Where he's arrested and charged, what specifically he's charged with, how thoroughly the t's are crossed and i's dotted are all very important things to consider right now considering the legal defense he'll be able to afford. It'd be a tragedy if say, he's acquitted of a certain charge where he could have been convicted of others and in ten years people will be on here saying "well it's important to remember he was never actually convicted of anything".

If there's still no movement by the end of the year it'd be one thing, but 4 weeks for a process involving law enforcement agencies in different jurisdictions and different continents, with multiple accusers, accusations ranging across decades, NDAs, and an accused who's this rich and powerful doesn't seem unreasonable under the circumstances. The circumstances aren't great like, but they're there.

tara73 · 28-10-2017 05:22PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Ugh, utterly embarrasing.

Because of Ciara Kelly's revelation, this 'IrishWeinsteing' hashtag is going to pop up everywhere; from tweets about a female employee being complimented by a male employer, to some young lass getting her hole groped in Coppers by someone from Kilkenny. Suddenly there's going to be a lot of Weinstein-esque monsters in Ireland. Just watch.

I have no problem with speaking up, but I do have a problem with Ciara claiming there's an 'IrishWeinstein' on the basis that some celebrity invited her to Costa and continuously slid into her DMs when she refused. Everything else - the rape accusation, the broken passenger door, the wife-beating - isn't factual. It's her repeating rumours.

Plus, why was she so afraid of speaking out before this Weinstein thing broke? Was this mystery pervert going to get her medical license revoked? Was he going to have her kicked off her sh*tty radio show? If not then he's not an 'IrishWeinstein' because that's where his power comes from, the fact he can make or break a young woman's entire career if she didn't play ball. That's one of the reasons why it's such a massive, f*cked up story.

This Irish bloke, whoever he is, is just some sick f*ck if those rumours turn out to be a true, but there really is no need to link it to what's going on in Hollywood, just to try and make it a bigger story than it is. Ridiculous.

the only thing which is ridiculous and utterly embarrasing is your post.

so allegations from people in Hollywood are trustworthy and true but women in Ireland speaking up are not to bebelieved and making this up. What an utter embarrasing crap from you. And guess what, there are 'Weinstein Monsters' everywhere in the world, salso in Ireland

and you have no problem with people speaking up. wow, how honorable from you.
Who are you to know what happened to this woman and judge about it.
Your attitude is disgusting!

tara73 · 28-10-2017 05:31PM

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

If there's still no movement by the end of the year it'd be one thing, but 4 weeks for a process involving law enforcement agencies in different jurisdictions and different continents, with multiple accusers, accusations ranging across decades, NDAs, and an accused who's this rich and powerful doesn't seem unreasonable under the circumstances. The circumstances aren't great like, but they're there.

My question wasn't why there's not a trial on yet, my question was why he's not in jail in imprisonment on remand for example like every serial rapist would be, I guess.
Anyway, I answered this question to myself in my last post.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 05:36PM

tara73 wrote: »

My question wasn't why there's not a trial on yet, my question was why he's not in jail in imprisonment on remand for example like every serial rapist would be, I guess.
Anyway, I answered this question to myself in my last post.

Yeah but in a previous post you were saying three or four weeks was a long time for what should be happening.

And I addressed your point here in the rest of the post. Specific charges to be decided on. International co-operation needed. Jurisdiction to be argued over. Paperwork and due process to be exceedingly careful over. He can't be placed on remand until he's actually charged with something. And I doubt he'll be anywhere worse than under house arrest event then.

Him having money is part of it but it's not likely to be the sole reason.

Hammer89 · 28-10-2017 05:42PM

tara73 wrote: »

the only thing which is ridiculous and utterly embarrasing is your post.

so allegations from people in Hollywood are trustworthy and true but women in Ireland speaking up are not to bebelieved and making this up. What an utter embarrasing crap from you. And guess what, there are 'Weinstein Monsters' everywhere in the world, salso in Ireland

and you have no problem with people speaking up. wow, how honorable from you.
Who are you to know what happened to this woman and judge about it.
Your attitude is disgusting!

No there's not many people like Harvey Weinstein and that's precisely the point. There's many people who indulge in the same behaviour, but they don't routinely get away with it for DECADES. That's what separates him.

Whoever this chap is, he is NOT an Irish Harvey Weinstein. He won't have the same amount of money, power, network or profile as Harvey Weinstien. He wouldn't have been in the position to subtly blackmail women for decades like Harvey Weinstein. He won't have the same amount of collaboraters and complicit assistants as Harvey Weinstein.

Not every high-profile rapist or sexual abuser is akin to Harvey Weinstein and that's why the hashtag is so utterly idiotic.

Underground · 28-10-2017 05:43PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

Ugh, utterly embarrasing.

Because of Ciara Kelly's revelation, this 'IrishWeinsteing' hashtag is going to pop up everywhere; from tweets about a female employee being complimented by a male employer, to some young lass getting her hole groped in Coppers by someone from Kilkenny. Suddenly there's going to be a lot of Weinstein-esque monsters in Ireland. Just watch.

I have no problem with speaking up, but I do have a problem with Ciara claiming there's an 'IrishWeinstein' on the basis that some celebrity invited her to Costa and continuously slid into her DMs when she refused. Everything else - the rape accusation, the broken passenger door, the wife-beating - isn't factual. It's her repeating rumours.

Plus, why was she so afraid of speaking out before this Weinstein thing broke? Was this mystery pervert going to get her medical license revoked? Was he going to have her kicked off her sh*tty radio show? If not then he's not an 'IrishWeinstein' because that's where his power comes from, the fact he can make or break a young woman's entire career if she didn't play ball. That's one of the reasons why it's such a massive, f*cked up story.

This Irish bloke, whoever he is, is just some sick f*ck if those rumours turn out to be a true, but there really is no need to link it to what's going on in Hollywood, just to try and make it a bigger story than it is. Ridiculous.

She even threw in the old chestnut that she was "literally shaking" whilst writing the tweets.

Like you said, I'm all for speaking up, but this brand new hashtag will just trivialise an issue that deserves proper discussion.

tara73 · 28-10-2017 06:11PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

No there's not many people like Harvey Weinstein and that's precisely the point. There's many people who indulge in the same behaviour, but they don't routinely get away with it for DECADES. That's what separates him.

Whoever this chap is, he is NOT an Irish Harvey Weinstein. He won't have the same amount of money, power, network or profile as Harvey Weinstien. He wouldn't have been in the position to subtly blackmail women for decades like Harvey Weinstein. He won't have the same amount of collaboraters and complicit assistants as Harvey Weinstein.

Not every high-profile rapist or sexual abuser is akin to Harvey Weinstein and that's why the hashtag is so utterly idiotic.

again, who are you to have this great wisdom to know this and be so 100% sure? Are you this guy she's talking about or what:mad:

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 06:15PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

I have no problem with speaking up, but I do have a problem with Ciara claiming there's an 'IrishWeinstein' on the basis that some celebrity invited her to Costa and continuously slid into her DMs when she refused. Everything else - the rape accusation, the broken passenger door, the wife-beating - isn't factual. It's her repeating rumours.

This is exactly the kind of minimising that was going on in the days immediately after the Harvey Weinstein story broke. This is exactly the kind of minimising and dismissal which can prevent victims coming forward and speaking out. If there is an Irish media figure who has plenty of money, power and connections and abused his position to sexually assault women, negatively affect their careers and who did so with impunity, then the comparison is valid. There were nasty, vindictive rumours about HW for years. And Jimmy Saville. And Woody Allen.

Plus, why was she so afraid of speaking out before this Weinstein thing broke? Was this mystery pervert going to get her medical license revoked? Was he going to have her kicked off her sh*tty radio show? If not then he's not an 'IrishWeinstein' because that's where his power comes from, the fact he can make or break a young woman's entire career if she didn't play ball. That's one of the reasons why it's such a massive, f*cked up story.

If you honestly think the media and particularly the broadcast media in this country isn't largely run on handshakes, reputation, access journalism, family connections etc then good luck to you. An established person absolutely could break someone's career. Finding someone to report allegations can be difficult. You're very naive.

This Irish bloke, whoever he is, is just some sick f*ck if those rumours turn out to be a true, but there really is no need to link it to what's going on in Hollywood, just to try and make it a bigger story than it is. Ridiculous.

This is one of the biggest sex abuse stories in years. It's a busy few weeks for the rape crisis centres, same as it is after something like the Cloyne report comes out or there's a high profile rape case in the press. In my personal life, it's opened up conversations, I've learned some things I was horrified about and I've spoken about some things with friends which I would never normally have brought up. People don't like this fact for some reason, but things like this DO make people open up more and have the confidence to come forward. If what she's alleging is true, taking advantage of the social momentum that's there right now is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

CatFromHue · 28-10-2017 06:31PM

Kelly is looking for women who may have been sexually assaulted by this individual to contact her so as, I presume, she can help them get justice.

She's not got anything herself to go to the Gardai on but has heard others might.

Hammer89 · 28-10-2017 06:31PM

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

If there is an Irish media figure who has plenty of money, power and connections and abused his position to sexually assault women, negatively affect their careers and who did so with impunity, then the comparison is valid.

You're spot on but that's putting the cart way before the horse. We don't know about his profile, his money, his connections or whether he abused his position of power to subtly blackmail women for his sexual gains, do we? Only after we know these things can we gauge the Weinstein comparison and decide whether the 'IrishWeinstein' hashtag is valid. For me, it's completely stupid at the moment.

tara73 wrote: »

again, who are you to have this great wisdom to know this and be so 100% sure? Are you this guy she's talking about or what:mad:

Yes, it's me. She's only speaking up because I threatened to get her axed from Operation Transformation if she did.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 06:42PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

You're spot on but that's putting the cart way before the horse. We don't know about his profile, his money, his connections or whether he abused his position of power to subtly blackmail women for his sexual gains, do we? Only after we know these things can we gauge the Weinstein comparison and decide whether the 'IrishWeinstein' hashtag is valid. For me, it's completely stupid at the moment.

What she's alleging is similar to Weinstein's behaviour and happened in Ireland. What she's alleging is far far far more visible by making the comparison to Weinstein. I'd be a big believer in if it works, it's not stupid.

This thing of being more annoyed by the hashtag people choose to use to speak about sexual abuses than by the abuses themselves is stupid though.

Hammer89 · 28-10-2017 06:54PM

Sabrina Future Burger wrote: »

What she's alleging is similar to Weinstein's behaviour and happened in Ireland. What she's alleging is far far far more visible by making the comparison to Weinstein. I'd be a big believer in if it works, it's not stupid.

This thing of being more annoyed by the hashtag people choose to use to speak about sexual abuses than by the abuses themselves is stupid though.

The alleged behaviour is similar but it's not only the behaviour which determines whether he's in the Weinstein bracket: It's the profile, the level of corruption involved, the horrendous abuse of power, the frequency, the amount of victims, the length of time his behaviour has gone unexposed. That's the crux of it.

Weinstein is a different level of scumbag and I can't see a well-known Irish figure being in that level, ticking all the same boxes as HW does.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 28-10-2017 07:03PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

The alleged behaviour is similar but it's not only the behaviour which determines whether he's in the Weinstein bracket: It's the profile, the level of corruption involved, the horrendous abuse of power, the frequency, the amount of victims, the length of time his behaviour has gone unexposed. That's the crux of it.

Weinstein is a different level of scumbag and I can't see a well-known Irish figure being in that level, ticking all the same boxes as HW does.

Who died and made you boss of cruxes?

And it's a hashtag. On twitter. It's not written beside this man's face in a dictionary, it's not a news outlet reporting on him being charged. Which do you think will be more visible, #IrishWeinstein or #AllegedSerialHarasserInTheIrishMedia?

Twitter is an inherently reductive platform but it can be hugely useful for things like this.

strandroad · 28-10-2017 07:40PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

The alleged behaviour is similar but it's not only the behaviour which determines whether he's in the Weinstein bracket: It's the profile, the level of corruption involved, the horrendous abuse of power, the frequency, the amount of victims, the length of time his behaviour has gone unexposed. That's the crux of it.

Weinstein is a different level of scumbag and I can't see a well-known Irish figure being in that level, ticking all the same boxes as HW does.

Tweet at her to change it to #IrishMiniWeinstein if it helps you?
Is this really what you're taking away from her tweets?

strandroad · 28-10-2017 08:03PM

Billy86 wrote: »

So a male Irish celebrity/public figure who is both on Twitter and would have to be at least in their sixties...

Here's another thing unfolding:

https://twitter.com/gracedyas/status/923999107051655169

I’ve been thinking about Michael Colgan a lot lately. Michael ran The Gate theatre until recently.
...
After the Dublin Theatre Festival launch last year, the crowd retired to The Oak Bar on Dame St. Where I met Michael.
...
He started looking me up and down. He said “Have you lost weight?” I said “Yeah, I lost weight for my wedding. I just got married”. He said “You’ve lost so much weight, I’d almost have sex with you” I was taken aback, but not surprised. I said “Michael! You can’t say that to me!” He replied “What! I didn’t say I would **** you. You haven’t lost that much weight”.
...
I felt he was wrong to say that to me, and I felt I was wrong to let him. I started to think about confronting him. I bided my time. He was sitting too close to me. I asked my friend Jason Byrne to join us. I didn’t feel safe with Michael. I wanted a witness if I was going to confront him.
...
The conversation moved on to Waking The Feminists. Michael called someone a misogynist. I took my chance. I said “Michael, you can’t call him a misogynist. You are the biggest misogynist in Irish Theatre. All I need to say Michael, is to repeat what you said to me at the bar there 5 minutes ago, when you stated that you would have had sex with me, had I lost more weight. That is not appropriate Michael. It’s not an appropriate thing for a man in his sixties, a cultural leader, to say to a young female director at a professional occasion…” He said “Well Grace, as my mother always said, you won’t get very far in life if you can’t take a joke.” I said “That joke is not appropriate Michael.” My friend Jason asked “So hang on Michael, are you admitting that you said that?” He said “Yes I said it, but it was a joke.” I repeated that it was not appropriate.

Before I could finish talking Michael was up on his feet, roaring at me. He turned on a coin. He was now saying he never said any such thing. I gave as good as I got. He called me a liar. “I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. I never want to breathe the same air as you” he said. My friend Doireann asked him to calm down. “She’s a pig, she’s a pig, I’d never ever, ever want to have sex with her” he said. He was very angry. He screamed and shouted more. “I wouldn’t say that about that woman she’s a big woman I would never say that about a big woman.” Even in his denial, he was managing to insult me and shame me further. His defense? Of course I didn’t sexually harass her! I mean come on look at her. She’s fat.
...
I didn’t reply. I was spurred on by my moment of ‘calling him out’. I felt I was doing the right thing, like a good feminist. I wanted to complain to his board. I wanted to write an article like this. But more senior arts professionals told me not to, they warned me, he could ruin your life. Could this really be true? I didn’t want to find out. My peers bought me gin and tonics and asked if I was ok. Older women didn’t need to ask, they knew how I felt. They all had their Michael Colgan story. They shared them with me that night.

https://twitter.com/PlayFairIre/status/924043267011780609

https://twitter.com/lianbell/status/924190537539780608

Hammer89 · 28-10-2017 08:26PM

strandroad wrote: »

Tweet at her to change it to #IrishMiniWeinstein if it helps you?
Is this really what you're taking away from her tweets?

Or she could just, like, not mention Weinstein's name at all? We regularly bash the newspapers in Ireland for the exact same type of sensationalism. That's what it is.

RabbleRouser2k · 28-10-2017 10:03PM

strandroad wrote: »

Here's another (or the same?) thing unfolding:

https://twitter.com/gracedyas/status/923999107051655169

https://twitter.com/PlayFairIre/status/924043267011780609

https://twitter.com/lianbell/status/924190537539780608

The last tweet there is a bit too ambiguous for my liking-it's from behind the bar, the person grabbing an actress buttocks could be her boyfriend/ husband.
Not discounting it happened-just from behind the bar, one can assume a lot of things.

Mr.Wemmick · 28-10-2017 10:40PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

The last tweet there is a bit too ambiguous for my liking-it's from behind the bar, the person grabbing an actress buttocks could be her boyfriend/ husband.
Not discounting it happened-just from behind the bar, one can assume a lot of things.

I worked in a theatre bar years back and as staff you know all the actors/performers, who they're with etc. They are in the bar night after night end of the show, and you know them as they're often allowed to get seconds/ last drink to make up for the fact that they're in much later than the audience.

If a boyfriend or husband grabbed his girlfriend/wife, you would barely notice as being together, they are relaxed with each other. However, from behind the bar if you see someone being grabbed who immediately is not comfortable and becomes embarrassed, you notice. You notice a lot.. and you know who the disgusting creeps are because their behaviour remains the same, night after night.

Outlaw Pete · 28-10-2017 10:45PM

Annabelle Scorria (who played one of Tony's girlfriends in the Sopranos) says Harvey raped her also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jam8WMxi3rk

RabbleRouser2k · 28-10-2017 11:04PM

An interesting note by a journo on twitter-informing people that we don't have a first amendment like the US. If you name them on twitter, even if telling the whole truth, you could be sued. And as others note, you out them on twitter, it then makes it impossible to bring a case.

https://twitter.com/MarkPaulTimes/status/924359033498284032

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Interesting reading that and particularly that Rose donated the $100,000 to an abused shelter. Absolutely puts the settlement in a different context and one wonders why she herself didn't make that known before now given that she has taken criticism, both online and in articles, for having done so.

A few things though:

But yet this 2016 tweet would suggest a different narrative altogether:

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/786723576275664896

There's also a few other notes to the story that he doesn't include-again, to change the narrative. Casting McGowan might have been a big slap in the face to Harvey...but a bigger slap would have been a hit film.
But the film bombed. Rodriguez is a cheap filmmaker(always had small budgets-cos he does so much himself), it wasn't a huge loss to Miramax. But for everyone else, it was a career killer (Josh Brolin, Bruce Willis, and Kurt Russell were the only ones who survived, unscathed-but they were the most high profile in that film).
McGowan's image, at the time was of the 'homewrecker'-Rodriguez left his wife and 5 kids to be with her. And there was a lot of focus on their image. (It takes two to tango, btw-RR is as responsible as Rose).

Well, the film comes out-it bombs. There were questions about how it was promoted as well. (People watched Death Proof, and left the cinema-they didn't know Planet Terror was afterwards, and the movies were a double bill). And since Rose was the face of Planet Terror-she was attached to the bomb.
A proposed Red Sonya movie with her in the lead didn't happen-Rodriguez planned it with a 75 million budget. She had a supporting role in a Conan remake/ reboot (with Jason Mamoa) which cost 90 million-and that flopped. Rodriguez and her split up sometime around then.
And then she was involved in a car accident, which meant facial reconstruction...and that was all she wrote.

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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