Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:47PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Best guess at the first choice 23 from that:

McGrath Best Furlong
Toner Henderson
POM Stander SOB

Murray Sexton
Henshaw Aki
Stockdale Kearney Earls

Herring, Healy, Ryan, Ryan, Ruddock, Marmion, Carbery, D Kearney

Ah Sweetnam or Conway should be in there ahead of Dave Kearney.

phog · 26-10-2017 02:47PM

If dropping Zebo is the right call then Beirne should be named in the squad.

26-10-2017 02:48PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Would it be fair to say that other than Sexy, Keatley and Carbery none of those backs are particularly good at passing the ball.

I really hope Carbs gets a run at 15, otherwise we're here for Warren Ball.

I mean they are primary distributors so it's expected that they have a variety and depth to their passes but others are capable. Adam Byrne actually has as many assists as tries last season if not more so which would be an obvious indicator but guys like Stockdale and McCloskey have a decent passing game also with plenty of subtlety and accuracy.

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 02:49PM

Shocked at the call to drop Zebo. Wouldn't agree with it myself either. Think swiwi is right re the nose and the face. Cronins absence is also a big surprise given the lack of both quality and experience outside of Best.

The more I think of it the more I wonder if Carbery will be utilised at FB. We've had Zebo there and utilised his distribution there a fair bit in the last year or so. Unless Carbery is playing FB we don't have anyone who can fulfil that role in this squad.

arsebiscuits1 · 26-10-2017 02:49PM

phog wrote: »

If dropping Zebo is the right call then Beirne should be named in the squad.

The same Beirne who has never been in an Ireland camp? Extended or otherwise?

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:49PM

phog wrote: »

If dropping Zebo is the right call then Beirne should be named in the squad.

I agree, although I imagine Beirne doesn't have release for the usual camps outside the international window.

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

The same Beirne who has never been in an Ireland camp? Extended or otherwise?

That's one reason why you would get him in now instead of new year. We are stacked at lock though, it's arguably the strongest position in the squad.

26-10-2017 02:50PM

phog wrote: »

If dropping Zebo is the right call then Beirne should be named in the squad.

I agree - but what is his contract situation with Scarlett's in terms of being available for squad meet ups and the international windows?

Buer · 26-10-2017 02:50PM

phog wrote: »

If dropping Zebo is the right call then Beirne should be named in the squad.

He's not available for any training camps or meet ups. Therefore, he is not considered. Plus he doesn't deserve it particularly on his form of the past few weeks (neither does Dillane though).

There really isn't much ambiguity about the selection policy for players who are contracted outside of Ireland.

Former Former · 26-10-2017 02:51PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Shocked at the call to drop Zebo. Wouldn't agree with it myself either. Think swiwi is right re the nose and the face. Cronins absence is also a big surprise given the lack of both quality and experience outside of Best.

The more I think of it the more I wonder if Carbery will be utilised at FB. We've had Zebo there and utilised his distribution there a fair bit in the last year or so. Unless Carbery is playing FB we don't have anyone who can fulfil that role in this squad.

The last person to start a test for Ireland at full-back is named in the squad.

Re: TOH; the writing was on the wall for him in the summer tour.

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 02:51PM

aloooof wrote: »

I've only just realised that Rory Scannell hasn't been picked either?

Actually you're right. Curveballs galore today!

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ah Sweetnam or Conway should be in there ahead of Dave Kearney.

Meh, don't have any strong feeling one way or the other there. Dave covers more positions than Sweetnam so if I were to replace him with anyone it'd be Conway.

26-10-2017 02:51PM

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

The same Beirne who has never been in an Ireland camp? Extended or otherwise?

No, the same Beirne who is joining Munster.

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:52PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Actually you're right. Curveballs galore today!

Meh, don't have any strong feeling one way or the other there. Dave covers more positions than Sweetnam so if I were to replace him with anyone it'd be Conway.

Sweetnam has played fullback a lot at B&I level.
(Yes I know..B&I level)

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:53PM

Chris Farrell in there and no Rory Scannell suggests Henshaw will remain at 12.

Buer · 26-10-2017 02:54PM

molloyjh wrote: »

The more I think of it the more I wonder if Carbery will be utilised at FB. We've had Zebo there and utilised his distribution there a fair bit in the last year or so. Unless Carbery is playing FB we don't have anyone who can fulfil that role in this squad.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if Carbery doesn't start a game at 15. Aside from the fact he is in excellent form there, he hasn't played a single game anywhere else this season.

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 02:54PM

Former Former wrote: »

The last person to start a test for Ireland at full-back is named in the squad.

Re: TOH; the writing was on the wall for him in the summer tour.

Conway? Against Japan?

If you go back to the last competitive game we played (England in the 6Ns) we had Zebo on the wing. Probably phrased what I meant badly, which was that we've had a second distributor in the back field generally. Is there one there other than Carbery now?

26-10-2017 02:54PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Chris Farrell in there and no Rory Scannell suggests Henshaw will remain at 12.

Yeah, he's two of each centre position in the squad.

Dog Botherer · 26-10-2017 02:54PM

Great to see Leavy in there. Anyone know if he’s fit?

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 02:55PM

Buer wrote: »

To be honest, I'd be surprised if Carbery doesn't start a game at 15. Aside from the fact he is in excellent form there, he hasn't played a single game anywhere else this season.

Oh yeah, he'll definitely start there against Fiji at least. I'm more wondering about 1 of the other 2 games.

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:55PM

Buer wrote: »

To be honest, I'd be surprised if Carbery doesn't start a game at 15. Aside from the fact he is in excellent form there, he hasn't played a single game anywhere else this season.

Keatley at 10 and Carbery at 15 against Fiji perhaps?

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 02:56PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Keatley at 10 and Carbery at 15 against Fiji perhaps?

Based on today we might see Carbery at 10 and Keatley at 15!

awec · 26-10-2017 02:57PM

Kearney Jnr, Conway and Carbery for the Fiji game.

Earls, Stockdale and Kearney Snr for Australia and Argentina. Conway on the bench.

TBH Kearney Snr will be a ****e selection but it seems to be the only one available. Distinct lack of full backs in this squad.

Former Former · 26-10-2017 02:57PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Conway? Against Japan?

If you go back to the last competitive game we played (England in the 6Ns) we had Zebo on the wing. Probably phrased what I meant badly, which was that we've had a second distributor in the back field generally. Is there one there other than Carbery now?

Ah, I see.

Joe doesn't seem to care too much about having a playmaker at 15, it's not something I'd associate with Kearney and for all Zebo's qualities, he never came close to displacing RK.

I would expect RK to start and Carbery to fill the 22 jersey.

thomond2006 · 26-10-2017 02:58PM

I don't think there's much point to picking Dave Kearney against Fiji over a Sweetnam or Byrne who would benefit more from the cap.

Buer · 26-10-2017 02:58PM

With Zebo gone, I would put the house on RK starting at 15 against SA if he proves his fitness in the next two weeks.

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 03:00PM

Are people forgetting that Conway is primarily a FB?

awec · 26-10-2017 03:02PM

molloyjh wrote: »

Are people forgetting that Conway is primarily a FB?

He is? Does he play there for Munster? Always thought he played on the wing?

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 03:03PM

awec wrote: »

He is? Does he play there for Munster? Always thought he played on the wing?

He's played both wing and FB for Munster and Leinster. I'm not sure the breakdown at Munster though tbh.

swiwi_ · 26-10-2017 03:04PM

Buer wrote: »

With Zebo gone, I would put the house on RK starting at 15 against SA if he proves his fitness in the next two weeks.

No picture no post.

irishbucsfan · 26-10-2017 03:05PM

awec wrote: »

He is? Does he play there for Munster? Always thought he played on the wing?

Correct, plays on the wing. Also plays FB, but not primarily a 15 really since he was in school.

molloyjh · 26-10-2017 03:07PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Correct, plays on the wing. Also plays FB, but not primarily a 15 really since he was in school.

Was he not FB in the JRWC?

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