public services card

I love Sean nos · 23-10-2017 06:53PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I don't know. I just don't have a problem with it and I can see the logic behind.

So, you can see the logic behind spending millions of euro on a problem that you're not even aware of.

Care to share this logic?

Ipso · 23-10-2017 06:59PM

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

If anyone wants to access services from the State, then the State is entitled to verify the identity of the recipient. They have decided that this is the format which best fulfills their requirements. If it stops the usual suspects from defrauding us with multiple or bogus SW claims, then I'm all for it.

No. I want money, don't ask questions.

CalamariFritti · 23-10-2017 08:02PM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

So, you can see the logic behind spending millions of euro on a problem that you're not even aware of.

Care to share this logic?

Its somebody else doing their job, I trust they know how to do it. Most of the time anyway, on this occasion I do.

I love Sean nos · 23-10-2017 08:11PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Its somebody else doing their job, I trust they know how to do it. Most of the time anyway, on this occasion I do.

That's quite the change. Just over two hours ago you were saying that you could see the logic behind it or something like that.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I can see the logic behind.

Yeah, that was it.

Now it would appear that you don't have a scooby, but that's okay because you trust...someone.

In the interest of clarity, because there are a lot of parties involved in this, who exactly are you trusting to do their job?

CalamariFritti · 25-10-2017 06:46PM

You probably know more about it as I know very little, but forgive me everyone is an expert at everything these days. When I said what i said I meant that is some body doing what they think they need to be doing. And whats been said as a reason for it made enough sense to me. I'm doing my job and I know a bit about it. But I know fk all about administration. Reasons given sound reasonable enough at me. They are administrators doing administration things I can't be thinking automatically everything they do is malicious and they're only trying to suck more money out of the state. At some point I have to let people do their job and do what they think is right to do it properly.

Thats not me saying that you're like me. You've obviously put more thought into it than I do. Just saying where I was coming from.

I love Sean nos · 25-10-2017 07:04PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You probably know more about it as I know very little, but forgive me everyone is an expert at everything these days.

Thanks for your honesty in what you posted. I'm not an expert by any means. What I have done is asked some questions and read the questions that others have asked and the answers offered. It's nonsense.

I'm not against having a centralised place for all of our information. We're doing that more and more in our personal lives with smartphones and cloud computing. But it has to be done right and I have to have confidence it in. I'd also like there to be a tangible benefit to it, clearly communicated. If it's so good, such a good idea, I should be willing to get one myself. No fuss. It should also be robust enough to cope with errors.

That's not what's happened. The state has run off and signed a deal worth €61m and is now scrambling to make it worthwhile. It's exactly like the voting machines. We've agreed to hand over the money, the reason why can be drawn up later. Now, like the M3 motorway, there's a payment pending depending on card penetration. And the state is doing the usual job of threatening the usual people with cutoff of payments, their only source of income. Except that hasn't worked this time. They made one pensioner famous, but she got herself a solicitor and they backed down. The next stage is more difficult; convincing regular folks with jobs to get one.

We use this tactic so much, the government really needs a Minister for Threatening the Citizens.

Capt'n Midnight · 25-10-2017 11:54PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Why do you have to bring your mobile phone?

So they can match your face to the personal tracking device you carry.

The J Stands for Jay · 26-10-2017 07:49AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The public service card also is your free travel pass and has a code for accompanying spouse or carer .

So, for someone in their 20s or 30s, none. Free travel will be long gone by the time we're all 74, or whatever OAP age is needed to allow the funding of TD's pensions.

I love Sean nos · 26-10-2017 08:39AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So they can match your face to the personal tracking device you carry.

Don't give them your mobile number.

Pronto63 · 26-10-2017 03:14PM

The mobile phone is not a compulsory part of the process.
More and more services are moving online now - checking prsi record for pension and claiming tax back on medical expenses are 2 of the most recent.
When you log on with your e-mail and password the system sends a verification code to your phone, if you've verified it.
This 2 stage authentication further protects you the user.

uch · 26-10-2017 03:26PM

If people are worried about information being held about them and Big brother style crap, they are too late, as most have pasted everything about themselves on social media already and it's freely available, I work for a not so well liked Government Department, and they can find out almost anything about anybody in the country with the systems already in place, Don't get me wrong here I don't give 2 shíts either way about this card, but it's closing the gate when the Horse has bolted moaning about this, IMO

LordSutch · 26-10-2017 03:44PM

So what exactly is the card for?

Can it replace your passport or drivers licence as a form of ID for insurance companies and the like? Or is it only recognised by travel & Government services?

How restricted (or wide ranging) is it?

26-10-2017 03:47PM

LordSutch wrote: »

So what exactly is the card for?

Can it replace your passport or drivers licence as a form of ID for insurance companies and the like?

No, in fact it's illegal for them to even request it.

Only a small number of designated government departments and agencies, such as The Department of Social Protection, Gardaí, and Revenue, are entitled to ask for proof of identity using the Public Services Card.

Anyone asking for the card in a bank, or an insurance company, is breaking the law.

I love Sean nos · 26-10-2017 03:51PM

uch wrote: »

most have pasted everything about themselves on social media already and it's freely available

What about those who don't use social media for those same reasons?

LordSutch · 26-10-2017 03:51PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, in fact it's illegal for them to even request it.

Only a small number of designated government departments and agencies, such as The Department of Social Protection, Gardaí, and Revenue, are entitled to ask for proof of identity using the Public Services Card.

Anyone asking for the card in a bank, or an insurance company, is breaking the law.

Indeed, but can you offer it as a proof of ID, and would of be accepted (in place of a passport/driving licence).

Dravokivich · 26-10-2017 03:54PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Indeed, but can you offer it as a proof of ID, and would of be accepted (in place of a passport/driving licence).

All that visible is my photo, name and an expiration date, with PPSN on the back. I don't think it'll work too well in place of passport / drivers license, which have extra details.

26-10-2017 03:58PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Indeed, but can you offer it as a proof of ID, and would of be accepted (in place of a passport/driving licence).

The organisation that I work for (a financial institution) doesn't accept it as ID, and I don't know of any that does.

That's partly because staff dealing with customers cannot request it.

Partially also cos it's new and (presumably) scary to some.

I love Sean nos · 26-10-2017 04:00PM

We're going to end up with a running-the-electricity-off-the-gas-and-the-gas-off-the-electricity situation where you have to present a drivers licence or passport to get the PSC, but then you'll need the PSC to get a drivers licence or passport.

Ridiculous.

Dravokivich · 26-10-2017 04:06PM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

We're going to end up with a running-the-electricity-off-the-gas-and-the-gas-off-the-electricity situation where you have to present a drivers licence or passport to get the PSC, but then you'll need the PSC to get a drivers licence or passport.

Ridiculous.

When I went in for my appointment to get one, I only had a learners permit on me as ID. The person processing it was unsure if it could be taken, i told her I needed to go through a process for it and when I pass my drivers test, all I have to do is present this, nothing more. So if that'll get me a drivers licence, it should be considered the same level of identification as a drivers license.

That was the least of my worries though, For some reason my Da's middle name was down as my surname in the CSO database being referenced. I insisted on waiting there until they fixed their admin error.

ohnonotgmail · 26-10-2017 04:12PM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

We're going to end up with a running-the-electricity-off-the-gas-and-the-gas-off-the-electricity situation where you have to present a drivers licence or passport to get the PSC, but then you'll need the PSC to get a drivers licence or passport.

Ridiculous.

at least make an effort to educate yourself on what is involved in getting a PSC before making stupid statements like the above.

Dravokivich · 26-10-2017 04:15PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

at least make an effort to educate yourself on what is involved in getting a PSC before making stupid statements like the above.

When I went to get it last year, identification was required, either a Passport or a driving licence. What has changed since?

ohnonotgmail · 26-10-2017 04:19PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

When I went to get it last year, identification was required, either a Passport or a driving licence. What has changed since?

if you have neither of those they can verify who you are with the General Register Office. failing that you can use a birth cert.

Dravokivich · 26-10-2017 04:20PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if you have neither of those they can verify who you are with the General Register Office. failing that you can use a birth cert.

Which I had, but they still challenged for Photo ID, before they realised they couldn't find me for the reasons outlined a couple of posts back.

ohnonotgmail · 26-10-2017 04:26PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Which I had, but they still challenged for Photo ID, before they realised they couldn't find me for the reasons outlined a couple of posts back.

well yours isnt a typical situation so asking for additional confirmation is to be expected.

I love Sean nos · 26-10-2017 04:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

at least make an effort to educate yourself on what is involved in getting a PSC before making stupid statements like the above.

The below is taken from here.

1.Evidence of identity:

Irish citizens born in the Republic of Ireland Current Irish passport or current Irish or UK driving licence or Irish learner driver permit. If you are adopted, please bring your adoption certificate with you. * Irish citizens via naturalisation or Foreign Birth Registration Current Irish passport or Certificate of Naturalisation or Foreign Birth Registration certificate and Irish or UK driving licence or Irish learner driver permit. * Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland and UK citizens Current passport, or your birth or adoption certificate and current driving licence EU citizens (other than Irish and UK) Current passport or national identity card Non-EU citizens Current passport or 1951 travel document

* If you are an Irish or UK citizen and do not have a Passport or Driving licence as identification, you may still be issued with a PSC. When you attend you will have an in-depth interview and additional information gathered during this interview will be verified in order to confirm your identity.
For Irish citizens born in the Republic of Ireland, birth details can be verified online in most cases with the General Register Office. However, in some cases, it is not possible to locate the birth registration, so the person will need to return with a copy of his/her birth certificate.
If you wish to get a copy of your Irish birth certificate for SAFE registration purposes, you can get it from the Registrar at a reduced rate when you show your SAFE invitation letter.
The Department does not have access to the adoption register, so adopted people should bring their adoption certificate with them when attending their appointment.

So, you are correct that you can use a birth cert, but that's not what I meant and you know it. They will still strive to see a photo ID.

ohnonotgmail · 26-10-2017 04:38PM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

The below is taken from here.

1.Evidence of identity:

Irish citizens born in the Republic of Ireland Current Irish passport or current Irish or UK driving licence or Irish learner driver permit. If you are adopted, please bring your adoption certificate with you. * Irish citizens via naturalisation or Foreign Birth Registration Current Irish passport or Certificate of Naturalisation or Foreign Birth Registration certificate and Irish or UK driving licence or Irish learner driver permit. * Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland and UK citizens Current passport, or your birth or adoption certificate and current driving licence EU citizens (other than Irish and UK) Current passport or national identity card Non-EU citizens Current passport or 1951 travel document

* If you are an Irish or UK citizen and do not have a Passport or Driving licence as identification, you may still be issued with a PSC. When you attend you will have an in-depth interview and additional information gathered during this interview will be verified in order to confirm your identity.
For Irish citizens born in the Republic of Ireland, birth details can be verified online in most cases with the General Register Office. However, in some cases, it is not possible to locate the birth registration, so the person will need to return with a copy of his/her birth certificate.
If you wish to get a copy of your Irish birth certificate for SAFE registration purposes, you can get it from the Registrar at a reduced rate when you show your SAFE invitation letter.
The Department does not have access to the adoption register, so adopted people should bring their adoption certificate with them when attending their appointment.

So, you are correct that you can use a birth cert, but that's not what I meant and you know it. They will still strive to see a photo ID.

no you tried to invent some nonsense chicken and egg situation where one does not exist.

Dravokivich · 26-10-2017 04:39PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well yours isnt a typical situation so asking for additional confirmation is to be expected.

it was before that happened though.

The J Stands for Jay · 26-10-2017 04:44PM

Pronto63 wrote: »

The mobile phone is not a compulsory part of the process.
More and more services are moving online now - checking prsi record for pension and claiming tax back on medical expenses are 2 of the most recent.

The new Revenue online service is terrible. I'm now unable to do as much online as I was under the previous system.

ohnonotgmail · 26-10-2017 04:46PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

it was before that happened though.

before what happened?

Dravokivich · 27-10-2017 10:26AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

before what happened?

I was challenged for ID, with my birth cert, before the issue of my name came up.

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