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Eircode - Why did they bother?

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  • #332
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    National Ambulance Service uses it. Directions right to your front door, what more could you want. Makes life much easier finding one-off houses in the sticks.


  • #333
    flaneur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 955 ✭✭✭flaneur


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    Evidently it might work with younger generations who :
    a) order pizza
    b) go online
    c) are familiar with Paypal or Apple pay fingerprint
    d) do not face the challenge of aging brain matter
    e) live in an environment where for convenience, everything is simplified and not understanding is no longer an issue.

    Congratulations, use your young braincells for Eircode recall, enjoy your piping hot pizza, and don't worry about the understanding part, good for you.

    Well I suppose you can still do it by telegram and pay with a postal order like the old days.


  • #334
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    11 will be across the road you cheeky bastard :P

    10b then! :P


  • #335
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Effects wrote: »
    Virgin Media use it! They told me they can't provide me with a service as I don't have an Eircode.

    That's because UPC/Virgin don't know where anything is.

    Every letter I get from them has a An Post sticker on it telling me to update my address.

    They have my address as Terenure, Dublin 6W when it has always been Rathgar, Dublin 6. Mail goes to the wrong sorting office as a result.

    When you point it out to them.. No! They are right I am wrong even although I have lived in the house for over 15 years!!


  • #336
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    maccydoodies wrote: »
    Get this. Eir, who have the contract for the rollout of FTTH through the National Broadband plan dont have their eircode on their website. If they do its hard to find.

    They don't have a contract to rollout FTTH through the NBP because the 2 contracts haven't been awarded yet. The plan is to award the contracts next year.

    If or when they win any of the contracts is will be done through their open-eir wholesale division and as they don't deal directly with the general public, retailers only, no eircode required.

    open-eir maintain a unified-gateway (UG) for all their retail operators, including their retail division - eir, to place customer orders and report customer faults. The Address File in in the process of being matched to eircodes. The new FTTH network is an independent network recorded against addresses and assigned new separate ARD_IDs (address reference database IDs) and eircode linked, accessible only if the retail operator is eircode licensed, see sec.4 of this document.


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  • #337
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    snowflaker wrote: »
    10b then! :P

    B and D would be the other side of the road too. ;)


  • #338
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »
    The Eircodes could have been implemented a bit better.

    When I lived in the Netherlands, the postcodes made perfect sense! I won't post my exact code here, but the format was NNNNLL, where N is a number and L is a letter. Each successive number denotes a more precise location, the penultimate letter locates the street and the final letter locates the side of the road.

    For example, the fictitious postcode of 1234AB would be somewhere between Amsterdam and Hilversum (denoted by the 1), the 2,3 and 4 would narrow it down to a very specific neighbourhod. The A would denote the street and the B would denote the even numbers (if the postcode was 1234AC, then it would be the same street with uneven numbers).

    If you put your door number after the post code, then the postman can find you that way.

    For example, 1234AB-10 would be house number ten on that exact street. No other information would be needed on the envelope.

    As usual, it is implemented arseways in Ireland where Mary's Eircode could be J63QP98 and her neighbour is J63XY12. They should be sequential, there's no reason not to.

    But of course the people in Eircode did not evaluate which system works best abroad. And they went 20 million over budget.

    Bit like the voting machines fiasco, an expensive mistake.


  • #339
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    maryishere wrote: »
    But of course the people in Eircode did not evaluate which system works best abroad. And they went 20 million over budget.

    Bit like the voting machines fiasco, an expensive mistake.

    Oh come off it! You keep ignoring all the explanations given to you time and time again regarding the reasons for the numbering and about the actual costs.

    I'm putting you on ignore too.


  • #340
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • #341
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Jaylah Low Kidnapper wrote: »
    B and D would be the other side of the road too. ;)

    but B is even a is odd!


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  • #342
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    maryishere wrote: »
    But of course the people in Eircode did not evaluate which system works best abroad. And they went 20 million over budget.

    Bit like the voting machines fiasco, an expensive mistake.

    Why are you purposely ignoring people's replies to you correcting your incorrect/out of date facts?

    It's actually quite frustrating


  • #343
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    snowflaker wrote: »
    but B is even a is odd!

    That's the way the Dutch work. Odd Numbers with Even Letters and vice versa.


  • #344
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker




  • #345
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Jaylah Low Kidnapper wrote: »
    That's the way the Dutch work. Odd Numbers with Even Letters and vice versa.

    thats fcuked up man!


  • #346
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ted Plain wrote:
    They really, really, really should have ensured that the codes start with the initial of the county that the address is in, like it is with car registrations.


    It was deliberately random. The only reason they left the old Dublin districts was because there would have been an outcry from D4, D6 etc. They actually believe that house prices would fall.


  • #347
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    G_R wrote: »
    Why are you purposely ignoring people's replies to you correcting your incorrect/out of date facts?

    It's actually quite frustrating

    Frustrating? I don't know which will give way here first; the wall or my head.


  • #348
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Jaylah Low Kidnapper wrote: »
    Frustrating? I don't know which will give way here first; the wall or my head.

    the blood gushing forth


  • #349
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    snowflaker wrote: »
    thats fcuked up man!

    They are stoned most of the time. Hence the system.


  • #350
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭jca


    I had to find a house rural Kilkenny, I had Irish directions..... rang the house and asked them for the eircode, stuck it into Google maps I was there in minutes. I'd be still driving around the wilds of Kilkenny only for that eircode....


  • #351
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    maryishere wrote: »
    But of course the people in Eircode did not evaluate which system works best abroad. And they went 20 million over budget.

    Bit like the voting machines fiasco, an expensive mistake.

    To be fair, a good portion of the budget was spent on evaluating the many systems used abroad in conjunction with the unique Irish problem of having many non unique addresses, hence eircode.

    So, would you prefer they save the money and not evaluate the other systems, or spend the money and evaluate the other systems (which is what they did).

    As for use of Eircode, it's great, much better than the UK system, never have any problems finding anywhere now, the one time it wasn't used, the DHL driver was cursing the operations centre for not including it.

    It's also self funding going forward, so there's no financial reason to drop it (and only a complete and utter moron would advocate dropping it now).


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  • #352
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    astrofool wrote: »
    To be fair, a good portion of the budget was spent on evaluating the many systems used abroad in conjunction with the unique Irish problem of having many non unique addresses, hence eircode.
    Five star hotels do not come cheap around the world. Why do you think it went over budget so much ( roughly 20 million ).?


    "Companies such as FedEx, DHL, UPS, Pallet Express, and BOC Ireland have all publicly declared that they will not use Eircode due to its design."
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/eircode-postcodes-what-you-need-to-know-about-irelands-new-postcode-system-31371881.html

    I imagine the €25,000 Eircode is looking off each of them may have something to do with it too.;)
    The last DHL driver I met said he never uses Eircode. Perhaps other DHL drives do use it the odd time.


  • #353
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    G_R wrote: »
    Why are you purposely ignoring people's replies to you correcting your incorrect/out of date facts?

    I ignored nobody and unlike some others, I used links to back up claims.

    "We like to forget Eircode exists, like the time we spent all that money on out of date iodine tablets, or when they had to recycle the electronic voting machines into traffic cones. But the Irish postcode system, a year and a half into its existence, is still lingering like a bad smell."

    "This was, wait for it, €20 million more than was forecast. Plenty of things caused that massive leap in costs. The initial system planned was different to the Eircode we know and love today, which really inspires confidence in the Eircode vision. Then there was the hiring of those magic consultants, and €9 million to encode millions of records from public sector bodies that they forgot to put in at the start. Oops!"
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eircode-there-goes-another-38m-down-the-drain-1.2972751


  • #354
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Maryishere, do not post in this thread again.


  • #355
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Actually cone to think of it....insurance companies look for it now aswell (well they do for me?)


  • #356
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    maryishere wrote: »
    Ask a DHL or DPD delivery driver do they use Eircode and they will say no. I suppose seeing as the OP found the fire brigade do not use it, and only a few % of people even know their own Eircode, it is not surprising.

    Wrong, I use DPD daily and from talking to their drivers they definitey do use it, their dispatch doesn't integrate it yet but the drivers on the road do use it


  • #357
    smeal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭smeal


    We're fairly rural and I had to ring an ambulance for my dad a few weeks ago. The lady on the phone was unable to find us by eircode so I had to spend about 3 minutes over the phone giving directions and eventually had to meet the ambulance at the nearest crossroads.


  • #358
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    smeal wrote: »
    We're fairly rural and I had to ring an ambulance for my dad a few weeks ago. The lady on the phone was unable to find us by eircode so I had to spend about 3 minutes over the phone giving directions and eventually had to meet the ambulance at the nearest crossroads.

    Have you checked your code yourself? If it's correct then contact the ambulance service to have the error their end rectified. I had to use it for a neighbour. Gave the address (very rural) and the eircode. The ambulance got straight to us.


  • #359
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The high horse brigade wrote:
    Wrong, I use DPD daily and from talking to their drivers they definitey do use it, their dispatch doesn't integrate it yet but the drivers on the road do use it

    I agree with what the driver has told you but if you ring DPD they will tell you that they don't use it. Because it is random it is of no use when sorting or dispatch. I do believe that the drivers use it.

    Part of my business is mail order. I have had post returned from An Post with a valid eircode on it because they couldn't make out the county. I should be able to post with the eircode alone.

    On the plus side, I am in appliance repair and call to 20 to 30 homes per week between Balbriggan and Bray, putting up 400 to 500 miles per week. I have an app on my phone that takes eircodes. I then transfer this information to a Tom Tom app. From here I can send it to my Tom Tom sat nav and it brings me to the door. The complex way I have to do this is the big flaw with eircode. I have been in touch with Garmin and Tom Tom and both say that eircode is too large. By adding eircode on top of Tom Tom map of Ireland it would take as much storage and a map of Europe. This is with full compression.

    It's an overly complicated system but when it works it works well. I use it several times per day and I'd find it hard to live without it.


  • #360
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I agree with what the driver has told you but if you ring DPD they will tell you that they don't use it. Because it is random it is of no use when sorting or dispatch. I do believe that the drivers use it.

    Part of my business is mail order. I have had post returned from An Post with a valid eircode on it because they couldn't make out the county. I should be able to post with the eircode alone.

    On the plus side, I am in appliance repair and call to 20 to 30 homes per week between Balbriggan and Bray, putting up 400 to 500 miles per week. I have an app on my phone that takes eircodes. I then transfer this information to a Tom Tom app. From here I can send it to my Tom Tom sat nav and it brings me to the door. The complex way I have to do this is the big flaw with eircode. I have been in touch with Garmin and Tom Tom and both say that eircode is too large. By adding eircode on top of Tom Tom map of Ireland it would take as much storage and a map of Europe. This is with full compression.

    It's an overly complicated system but when it works it works well. I use it several times per day and I'd find it hard to live without it.

    This is exactly why I have a charger and a dock and just use Google maps on my phone. The day of a dedicated GPS like Tom Tom and Garmin is quickly fading away


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  • #361
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The high horse brigade wrote:
    This is exactly why I have a charger and a dock and just use Google maps on my phone. The day of a dedicated GPS like Tom Tom and Garmin is quickly fading away


    I have to stick with separate sat nav. I also take dozens of calls during the day. I found I was missing turns if the phone rang at the wrong time.


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