Eircode - Why did they bother?

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 08:45PM

maryishere wrote: »

Read the article, I gave you the link earlier.

That was an opinion piece, that initially blamed An Post, for Eircode, and had to remove it.

Opinion pieces, from Una Mullally to David Quinn, are just that, opinions, with little evidence of fact.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 08:46PM

maryishere wrote: »

And hundreds of millions have not.

What? If you mean deliveries, then of course. An Post don't need or use it - as already explained to you.

server down · 22-10-2017 08:48PM

maryishere wrote: »

You thought wrong.

You miss the point. "Freight and supermarket companies were expected to use it widely, yet in the run up to its launch hauliers repeatedly expressed reservations about it. A survey showed 96 per cent don’t use Eircode. The Freight Transport Association Ireland said the random nature of the code system (adjacent properties have no numerical correlation with each other’s Eircodes) means it’s unsuitable for a delivery system."

The run up to the launch isn’t now. PDVerse is giving the stats now.

As to why the random nature of the code system makes it unsuitable - that makes no sense. It’s geolocated.

maryishere · 22-10-2017 08:50PM

Ask a DHL or DPD delivery driver do they use Eircode and they will say no. I suppose seeing as the OP found the fire brigade do not use it, and only a few % of people even know their own Eircode, it is not surprising.

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 08:50PM

An Post do use Eircode, just not in the final part of delivery.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/an-post-confirms-staff-do-not-use-eircode-system-for-local-deliveries-1.3104577

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 08:51PM

snowflaker wrote: »

An Post do use Eircode, just not in the final part of delivery.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/an-post-confirms-staff-do-not-use-eircode-system-for-local-deliveries-1.3104577

I know, but in relation to the spurious comments from Mary it's moot. If you know what I mean

maryishere · 22-10-2017 08:52PM

But only 5% of An Post customers use Eircode or have an Eircode on their address. Link given already.

"A year into Eircode, last July, An Post had no information about the system’s uptake. I’m not going to blame An Post for this, because I doubt they have time to deviate from their main current function, which is seems to be spending money on posting people glossy colour flyers about how a postal service exists in Ireland. An Post later said that less than 5 per cent of mail customers are using Eircode."

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/eircode-there-goes-another-38m-down-the-drain-1.2972751

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 08:53PM

Fire services DO use Eircode, but not exclusively, that would be foolish you need an address to cross reference it with

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 08:53PM

maryishere wrote: »

But only 5% of An Post customers use Eircode or have an Eircode on their address. Link given already.

Una's piece?

tomwaterford · 22-10-2017 08:53PM

maryishere wrote: »

Ask a DHL or DPD delivery driver do they use Eircode and they will say no. I suppose seeing as the OP found the fire brigade do not use it, and only a few % of people even know their own Eircode, it is not surprising.

Surly if the people getting stuff delivered only put down the code,they'd have to use it??

I find dpd very good to deliver parts etc....but I often end up having to give directions to neighbours etc as they can't find it

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 08:54PM

maryishere wrote: »

But only 5% of An Post customers use Eircode or have an Eircode on their address. Link given already.

Denis Naughton's reply to Una's piece:

Sir, – Contrary to some of the assertions by Una Mullally, the use of Eircode is widespread among the public, business and the public sector (Opinion & Analysis, February 13th).
First, it must be stated that we face a unique challenge in that 35 per cent of all residences in Ireland share the same address, ie the addresses are non-unique within the area. This is the highest figure in the OECD and one which has a particularly negative impact for people living in rural Ireland who rely on various kinds of services. The Eircode design successfully solves this problem of non-unique addresses and is future-proofed so that the Eircode doesn’t need to change ,unlike the postcode design in Britain, which has changed many times.
The figure of €38 million quoted in the article is the amount allocated for the full 10 years of the contract. So far €21.3 million has been spent on the implementation phase and Eircode service operations, which began in July 2015.
The Eircode Finder app has been popular with the public with just under 10 million look-ups since July 2015. Google has already integrated Eircode with Google maps, while TomTom and other location-based service providers are currently integrating Eircodes within their products. Eircode has also been adopted by the National Ambulance Services.
Many companies ask for and have adopted Eircodes for the benefit of their business and their customers, including Tesco, Musgrave, Domino’s Pizza, Campus Oil, PowerCity, Currys PC World, Boots, OpenEir and Electric Ireland.
Eircodes support the development of e-commerce and online deliveries and are used by the Nightline Group and Fastway Couriers. It’s not just bigger companies either. Free mobile apps and the online Eircode Finder app have opened up Eircode to smaller businesses in the courier market.
An Post has formed a new division, Post Logistics, that incorporates Eircode’s unique design to ensure reliable shipment and freight forwarding services from Ireland to locations in the UK and Europe.
Eircode is also being used by Student Universal Support Ireland and the CSO launched the new Residential Property Price Index covering all market purchases of houses and apartments, including rural Ireland. Eircodes provide the necessary addition of better quality location information, allowing the register to measure prices with greater accuracy by using the Eircode Routing Key. –Yours, etc,
DENIS NAUGHTEN TD,

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 08:55PM

maryishere wrote: »

Ask a DHL or DPD delivery driver do they use Eircode and they will say no. I suppose seeing as the OP found the fire brigade do not use it, and only a few % of people even know their own Eircode, it is not surprising.

You are determined to keep spouting untruths. They do use them now. I have asked their drivers how they can now find out house without the old phone call and talking them in and they said they are using it for any house they don't know from the basic postal address. And again you are, I suspect deliberately, ignoring all that has corrected the OP. It is a fact that the Emergency Services use it.

I'm done evening my wit to your attempts to just drag this down.q

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2017 08:59PM

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Karangue · 22-10-2017 09:00PM

Jaylah Low Kidnapper wrote: »

You are determined to keep spouting untruths. They do use them now. I have asked their drivers how they can now find out house without the old phone call and talking them in and they said they are using it for any house they know from the basic postal address. And again you are, I suspect deliberately, ignoring all that has corrected the OP. It is a fa t that the Emergency Services use it.

I'm done evening my wit to your attempts to just drag this down.q

Stop watching Fair City.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 09:00PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Not at all. Mary says otherwise.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 09:02PM

Karangue wrote: »

Stop watching Fair City.

You've lost me. I've never seen it, so don't know what you mean.

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 09:03PM

http://donegalnews.com/2017/03/haemorrhaging-patient-saved-postcode-doctor/

Here's some more anecdotal evidence seeing as how this seems preferred

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 09:04PM

Jaylah Low Kidnapper wrote: »

You've lost me. I've never seen it, so don't know what you mean.

D09 5HTY FC's postcode for McCoys

maryishere · 22-10-2017 09:07PM

When only 1 million out of 20 million deliveries use Eircode, an awful lot of parcels are being delivered without Eircode.

Even the post office admit only 5% of their mail delivered uses Eircode.

22-10-2017 09:09PM

maryishere wrote: »

When only 1 million out of 20 million deliveries use Eircode, an awful lot of parcels are being delivered without Eircode.

Even the post office admit only 5% of their mail delivered uses Eircode.

Of course not, because An Post never wanted it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 22-10-2017 09:10PM

Karsini wrote: »

Of course not, because An Post never wanted it.

Save your breath.

Effects · 22-10-2017 09:14PM

Virgin Media use it! They told me they can't provide me with a service as I don't have an Eircode.

Gerrup Outta Dat! · 22-10-2017 09:20PM

The Eircodes could have been implemented a bit better.

When I lived in the Netherlands, the postcodes made perfect sense! I won't post my exact code here, but the format was NNNNLL, where N is a number and L is a letter. Each successive number denotes a more precise location, the penultimate letter locates the street and the final letter locates the side of the road.

For example, the fictitious postcode of 1234AB would be somewhere between Amsterdam and Hilversum (denoted by the 1), the 2,3 and 4 would narrow it down to a very specific neighbourhod. The A would denote the street and the B would denote the even numbers (if the postcode was 1234AC, then it would be the same street with uneven numbers).

If you put your door number after the post code, then the postman can find you that way.

For example, 1234AB-10 would be house number ten on that exact street. No other information would be needed on the envelope.

As usual, it is implemented arseways in Ireland where Mary's Eircode could be J63QP98 and her neighbour is J63XY12. They should be sequential, there's no reason not to.

Then there's pandering to D-scum. Of course the **** in D4 had to be accommodated and the whole nation on 4.5 million had to work the eircode around these pretentious losers.

irishgeo · 22-10-2017 09:21PM

maryishere wrote: »

When only 1 million out of 20 million deliveries use Eircode, an awful lot of parcels are being delivered without Eircode.

Even the post office admit only 5% of their mail delivered uses Eircode.

:rolleyes:

i am going to set you to ignore because your just trolling now.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2017 09:21PM

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22-10-2017 09:24PM

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

As usual, it is implemented arseways in Ireland where Mary's Eircode could be J63QP98 and her neighbour is J63XY12. They should be sequential, there's no reason not to.

Of course there are. I can think of two.

If a new building is added between two existing buildings, it would throw the whole system off.

It also helps to avoid errors, a non-sequential system would clearly show that there's an error somewhere by displaying a building in another location.

Gerrup Outta Dat! · 22-10-2017 09:25PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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One off housing outside of planned developments should be banned. But that's for another thread. I don't know how they cope with it in the Netherlands.

I didn't mean the codes should be sequential by house (apologies if it came across that way), but they should be sequential by street, like the Dutch system I explained. If a house is built in between 10 and 12 isn't it usually 10a?

snowflaker · 22-10-2017 09:26PM

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

One off housing outside of planned developments should be banned. But that's for another thread. I don't know how they cope with it in the Netherlands.

I never said the codes should be sequential by house, but they should be sequential by street, like the Dutch system I explained. If a house is built in between 10 and 12 isn't it usually 10a?

11?

Gerrup Outta Dat! · 22-10-2017 09:28PM

snowflaker wrote: »

11?

:rolleyes:

11 will be across the road you cheeky bastard :P

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2017 09:28PM

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Eircode - Why did they bother?

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