Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

dastardly00 · 17-10-2017 02:44PM

blackcard wrote: »

So only 13 from tbe Boro?

You don't need to say it 13 times

:pac:

Village87 · 17-10-2017 02:49PM

Boro and the village had the best young Hurlers on display, Ballyhale invested in the youth this year and they are not up to the races yet, poor attitude from some of the younger Ballyhale contingent, Darren Mullen struggled on Luke Scanlon, Adrian Mullen seems to lack something, seems to lack pace and ability to win hard ball, Kevin Mullen got roasted corner back, Conor Phelan, Gavin Butler & Ronan Corcoran all struggled

tbiggertycome · 17-10-2017 03:08PM

MfMan wrote: »

Evan Cody a son of Brian? Related?

No relation AFAIK

For blackcard
No I don't think there should or will be 13 Boro lads on the panel I was listing out those I thought could possibly have a case. I would hope they might have 4 or 5 as there are lads who have the talent. As I pointed out most have an issue that I think will prevent the current management from trying or using them. Their either not Codys type of player or not the right physique that Cody has been picking the last 10 years. If his thoughts on the game change then there will be plenty of new lads in to try out for the panel this year but I don't see that happening.

What I would hope the Boro would have on the senior panel next year,
3 already there Buckley, Ollie and Cody
2 extra maybe drafted in- probably C Doheny and one of Aidan Nolan, Robbie Fitzpatrick.
Very outside chance for Bill Sheehan, Tom Kenny (both probably too young) and Andy Gaffney depending on U21 performances.

I think others are good enough to be given a trial but for some like M Fagan that boat has sailed he had his chance but most others probably won't get called thats just the way it works.

Most of the lads I've named out have all been part of Kilkenny panels at different levels over the years so a step up to senior is not beyond the bounds of possibility for any of them but will 13 lads from the Boro get called into a trail, not in a month of Sundays. Neither should they all there's plenty of talent in the county that deserve a chance ahead of them.

brookville · 17-10-2017 04:03PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

No relation AFAIK

For blackcard
No I don't think there should or will be 13 Boro lads on the panel I was listing out those I thought could possibly have a case. I would hope they might have 4 or 5 as there are lads who have the talent. As I pointed out most have an issue that I think will prevent the current management from trying or using them. Their either not Codys type of player or not the right physique that Cody has been picking the last 10 years. If his thoughts on the game change then there will be plenty of new lads in to try out for the panel this year but I don't see that happening.

What I would hope the Boro would have on the senior panel next year,
3 already there Buckley, Ollie and Cody
2 extra maybe drafted in- probably C Doheny and one of Aidan Nolan, Robbie Fitzpatrick.
Very outside chance for Bill Sheehan, Tom Kenny (both probably too young) and Andy Gaffney depending on U21 performances.

I think others are good enough to be given a trial but for some like M Fagan that boat has sailed he had his chance but most others probably won't get called thats just the way it works.

Most of the lads I've named out have all been part of Kilkenny panels at different levels over the years so a step up to senior is not beyond the bounds of possibility for any of them but will 13 lads from the Boro get called into a trail, not in a month of Sundays. Neither should they all there's plenty of talent in the county that deserve a chance ahead of them.

I think robbie fitz has benefited from his move out of the backs,I thought he was full of movement against the vat the 2nd day,I remember him doing a good job on henry in the last final the boro were in.would I be correct in saying he has struggled with injury the last few years?
I like doheny but I thought gortha caued him few problems last sunday but his still young and I hope he can make it

Kkcitylover12 · 17-10-2017 04:36PM

MfMan wrote: »

Evan Cody a son of Brian? Related?

Pretty sure that he is no relation to Brian, very strong and solid full back. Deserves more chances this year as he only got little game time last year after his game against Clare.

tbiggertycome · 17-10-2017 05:10PM

brookville wrote: »

I think robbie fitz has benefited from his move out of the backs,I thought he was full of movement against the vat the 2nd day,I remember him doing a good job on henry in the last final the boro were in.would I be correct in saying he has struggled with injury the last few years?
I like doheny but I thought gortha caued him few problems last sunday but his still young and I hope he can make it

Yeah Robbie has played LC and LW back, up along. He is a solid back and I like him going forward he has definitely given the Boro extra solidity in midfield. I can't remember any serious injuries he's had but i could be completely wrong on that.

Conor Doheny would actually be very similar to Robbie Fitz but he's normally played at 5. He's playing in the corner the last few games but I prefer him at 5 he influences the game more. I think he's struggling a bit not in the corner against, an on-fire John Walsh and Gorta purely on size. I think he'll improve he has the skill and has great vision and picks out lovely passes when on the half back line. While he struggled a bit his man didn't get massive scores either day when he was on them. He was targeted both days against Dublin and Westmeath for the U21's and I think he played really well against both of them. He went off injured in both games after getting nasty slaps because he was so determined to win the ball. I think he was sorely missed later in the campaign although he couldn't have prevented the final result, his presence may have helped a bit.

tbiggertycome · 17-10-2017 05:12PM

Kkcitylover12 wrote: »

Pretty sure that he is no relation to Brian, very strong and solid full back. Deserves more chances this year as he only got little game time last year after his game against Clare.

Totally agree he deserves more game time. I'm almost 100% sure that he got no more game time after his 35mins on Aaron Cunningham down in Clare.

brookville · 17-10-2017 07:11PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Totally agree he deserves more game time. I'm almost 100% sure that he got no more game time after his 35mins on Aaron Cunningham down in Clare.

On a day when the whole team was blown away,that day will stand to him and he'll be stronger next year hopefully.I think it's important padraig moves out I'd see delaney and cody as both lads to be tried next spring in the full back line

dastardly00 · 17-10-2017 08:21PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Totally agree he deserves more game time. I'm almost 100% sure that he got no more game time after his 35mins on Aaron Cunningham down in Clare.

You are correct, 35 minutes.
He was an unused sub for 3 other games

Noddy33 · 17-10-2017 08:27PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

I think robbie fitz has benefited from his move out of the backs,I thought he was full of movement against the vat the 2nd day,I remember him doing a good job on henry in the last final the boro were in.would I be correct in saying he has struggled with injury the last few years?
I like doheny but I thought gortha caued him few problems last sunday but his still young and I hope he can make it

Yeah Robbie has played LC and LW back, up along. He is a solid back and I like him going forward he has definitely given the Boro extra solidity in midfield. I can't remember any serious injuries he's had but i could be completely wrong on that.

Conor Doheny would actually be very similar to Robbie Fitz but he's normally played at 5. He's playing in the corner the last few games but I prefer him at 5 he influences the game more. I think he's struggling a bit not in the corner against, an on-fire John Walsh and Gorta purely on size. I think he'll improve he has the skill and has great vision and picks out lovely passes when on the half back line. While he struggled a bit his man didn't get massive scores either day when he was on them. He was targeted both days against Dublin and Westmeath for the U21's and I think he played really well against both of them. He went off injured in both games after getting nasty slaps because he was so determined to win the ball. I think he was sorely missed later in the campaign although he couldn't have prevented the final result, his presence may have helped a bit.

Robbie Fitz has had serious hamstring problems that plagued all of his underage county career. The same injury started off at minor and caused havoc for about 3-4 yrs meaning he got very little chance to make impact at county minor and U21. He a very neat and tidy player that can operate in numerous positions.

What impresses me most about the Boro is their strength and conditioning . Liam Egan is the fitness man here for Boro and has had alot of success with teams including Clara senior county title teams and should take well deserved credit. As neural I will have a preference for a Boro win as would love to see Buckley getting kk captaincy and think their consistency throughout the full year deserves reward

citykat · 17-10-2017 08:51PM

Interesting point. Afaik Egan has no formal qualification in S & C. I heard he runs a creche in Callan.

northern lad · 17-10-2017 09:20PM

Noddy33 wrote: »

Robbie Fitz has had serious hamstring problems that plagued all of his underage county career. The same injury started off at minor and caused havoc for about 3-4 yrs meaning he got very little chance to make impact at county minor and U21. He a very neat and tidy player that can operate in numerous positions.

What impresses me most about the Boro is their strength and conditioning . Liam Egan is the fitness man here for Boro and has had alot of success with teams including Clara senior county title teams and should take well deserved credit. As neural I will have a preference for a Boro win as would love to see Buckley getting kk captaincy and think their consistency throughout the full year deserves reward

In 2014 Niall Lacey put a fine gym in the Boro and with Willie Cuddihy put the senior panel on a strength and conditioning programme. Liam Egan has continued that fine work and the Boro boys have all the appearances of 4 years conditioning. Buckley remaining fit , unlike 2015 and 2016,along with the return of Eoin Gough, the acquisition of Shane Stapleton and the emergence of youngsters Tom Kenny, Oisin Gough and Bill Sheehan from their minor team of 2015 has allowed the Boro within touching distance of the Tom Walsh Cup but they will have to put in their best performance of the year to win it. James Stephens have real momentum and several of the team who won in 2011. Tradition is sometimes overrated but it could carry the Village over the line. It'll be a real tight game and is very hard to call. Buckley has been immense for the last three years ( not withstanding his crucial absences in 15/16) and if he can produce a huge performance , Palmerstown may be rocking next Sunday week.

northern lad · 17-10-2017 09:25PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

They were all around at the start of the year and hurling wise they all have it. I'm fairly sure they all had some form of injury last year or earlier this year. I don't think any of them got to the new higher required level of fitness the new management were looking for.

I'm fairly sure some lads lost their place on the team at different times from not turning up to training or matches without giving management the proper and agreed upon notice. Very impressed with the management team and the difference they have made with the players both physically and mentally.

Shane Maher and Oisin walsh last played senior with Dicksboro in 2014 when St. Martins beat them. Enda Malone has been struggling with injuries for a couple of years.

blackcard · 17-10-2017 09:53PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

So only 13 from tbe Boro?

blackcard wrote: »

So only 13 from tbe Boro?

blackcard wrote: »

So only 13 from tbe Boro?

You don't need to say it 13 times :pac:

Apologies. Phone acting up

tbiggertycome · 18-10-2017 12:04AM

northern lad wrote: »

Shane Maher and Oisin walsh last played senior with Dicksboro in 2014 when St. Martins beat them. Enda Malone has been struggling with injuries for a couple of years.

I meant they were around the senior club set up at the start of the year. Shane has been out for the last two years AFAIK think it was a cruciate, has been doing lots of rehab and fitness but obviously hasn't got far enough yet. Not sure what Oisin's injury is (think it's his back?) but he's been in and out of training with the Boro for the last two years.
Ends Malone played most games last year for the Boro often coming off with injuries to I think he's hammy again not fit enough this year I assume. Was playing a bit of junior I think.

Shane and Oisin had call ups to the KK senior panel a few years ago but don't think they were interested in that level along with Mick Fagan.
I've seen Oisin destroy JJ Delaney at centre back in 25mins back a few years ago in a relegation semi, he dragged us over the line. Shane is a brilliant forward love his touch and power at club level and deceptively fast for such a big man. To be honest if we had him playing all year I'd be very confident next week as he used to really lead the line so we'll. Guzzy is a really hard, skilful back who never let us down on the field and was on the KK intermediate panel last year. They'll all be missed but we've been without them all year and have learned to win without them. With any luck they'll get back next year and drive us on further.

brookville · 18-10-2017 08:19PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I meant they were around the senior club set up at the start of the year. Shane has been out for the last two years AFAIK think it was a cruciate, has been doing lots of rehab and fitness but obviously hasn't got far enough yet. Not sure what Oisin's injury is (think it's his back?) but he's been in and out of training with the Boro for the last two years.
Ends Malone played most games last year for the Boro often coming off with injuries to I think he's hammy again not fit enough this year I assume. Was playing a bit of junior I think.

Shane and Oisin had call ups to the KK senior panel a few years ago but don't think they were interested in that level along with Mick Fagan.
I've seen Oisin destroy JJ Delaney at centre back in 25mins back a few years ago in a relegation semi, he dragged us over the line. Shane is a brilliant forward love his touch and power at club level and deceptively fast for such a big man. To be honest if we had him playing all year I'd be very confident next week as he used to really lead the line so we'll. Guzzy is a really hard, skilful back who never let us down on the field and was on the KK intermediate panel last year. They'll all be missed but we've been without them all year and have learned to win without them. With any luck they'll get back next year and drive us on further.

It's unfortunate these lads have suffered with injuries,shane maher had great hands while oisin walsh was a hardy bit of stuff,both were brought into the senior setup a few years ago,is danny kenny finished altogether?
It's suprising no kilkenny players on the senior or 21 shinty panels,conor phelan is involved he had success with camogie.
Any news on the minor management team are they staying on?
The seniors are supposed to be back next month,I suppose most teams are putting panels together for next season.as others have said it's hard to see mick fennelly putting in another year.Will cody cull a few fringe players or lads he no longer trusts,lads like michael walsh have being on the panel years,lads like pender/joyce/john joe are on and off.there's a rebuild on he'll have to try find 4 or 5 starters which won't be easy.

sc86 · 18-10-2017 08:51PM

i see your junior champions are playing our inter champions saturday in navan
what are John Lockes like compared to previous years champions?

brookville · 18-10-2017 09:02PM

sc86 wrote: »

i see your junior champions are playing our inter champions saturday in navan
what are John Lockes like compared to previous years champions?

They won the junior about 5 years ago stayed intermediate for bout 2 years and came back down.
They produced a few county minors over the last few years mostly defenders,2×mcgraths,bill mcdowell and jason corcoran and ryan bergin played a few matches u21 corner back for the county but plays in the fowards for callan,james power has being good at center foward and takes the frees.I'd expect them to go well in leinster unless they extend their celebrations and get caught at the first hurdle

sc86 · 18-10-2017 09:13PM

when was the junior final?
navan are a decent team so should be good game
mooncoin beat last years meath champions in the junior final in nolan park , how did they get on at inter level this year?

brookville · 18-10-2017 09:22PM

sc86 wrote: »

when was the junior final?
navan are a decent team so should be good game
mooncoin beat last years meath champions in the junior final in nolan park , how did they get on at inter level this year?

Junior final was last saturday,they beat oloughlins junior team who had a few older lads who would of played senior last year against cuala mixed with some good young lads,I didn't see the match but it was a very good match with james power getting a late point to win it.
Mooncoin avoided relegation which would of being probably their aim.They started slowly losing there first 3 matches I think but beat ballyragget who are in the intermediate final this sunday in the league.I would of said callan have more to offer than mooncoin with a good few of there youngsters wearing county colours at different stages but a week turnaround mightnt help as I'm sure they celebrated the week well

sc86 · 18-10-2017 10:45PM

might even things up a bit ha!

Kkcitylover12 · 18-10-2017 11:28PM

brookville wrote: »

It's unfortunate these lads have suffered with injuries,shane maher had great hands while oisin walsh was a hardy bit of stuff,both were brought into the senior setup a few years ago,is danny kenny finished altogether?
It's suprising no kilkenny players on the senior or 21 shinty panels,conor phelan is involved he had success with camogie.
Any news on the minor management team are they staying on?
The seniors are supposed to be back next month,I suppose most teams are putting panels together for next season.as others have said it's hard to see mick fennelly putting in another year.Will cody cull a few fringe players or lads he no longer trusts,lads like michael walsh have being on the panel years,lads like pender/joyce/john joe are on and off.there's a rebuild on he'll have to try find 4 or 5 starters which won't be easy.

You would have to wonder will pat o Grady stay with the u17/minor team, they did with the arrabawn u16 last year so obv a good team available to whoever wants them.

Yeah Mick fennelly looked to be struggling towards the end of the year with both club and county. Will be a huge loss when he does call it a day. You would have to question how long a guy should be on the panel if he's not lucky enough to make the breakthrough to the starting 15 or 26 panel for games. Mick Walsh has had a number of set backs with injuries too.

Alot of this year's u21s were already in training with the senior so won't be any surprise if alot of them are in again next year. Has there been any guys standing out for clubs this year esp in the senior ranks? Clubs like rower/carrickshock/danesfort/village/mullinavat ? Martin gaffney has been very consistent during the year. Conor Browne looked good last Sunday for the village. Calls up even for winter training with the seniors will definitely develop some of the fringe players

brookville · 19-10-2017 09:41AM

As mentioned above most of this year's u21 crop will be part of the panel next year but most of them will need a year or 2 to be physical enough as the match against limerick proved we were blown away in the physical stakes.
Conor browne has benefited from the summer off I'd expect mick malone to get another call up,he might not be the most stylish but his a cody type player;enda morrissey will probably get a call up

Village87 · 19-10-2017 09:45AM

How old is Enda Morrissey ? Much better prospect than Jason Cleere. Michael Malone is not up to the standard required skillfully, we have enough players that are "Cody type"

brookville · 19-10-2017 10:22AM

Village87 wrote: »

How old is Enda Morrissey ? Much better prospect than Jason Cleere. Michael Malone is not up to the standard required skillfully, we have enough players that are "Cody type"

Morrissey is the same age as conor martin/chris bolger so about 23,john wallsh gave him a tough time in ballyhale in the relegation semi but walsh can do that when on form,I think there's something in morrissey.

blackcard · 19-10-2017 06:11PM

brookville wrote: »

Village87 wrote: »

How old is Enda Morrissey ? Much better prospect than Jason Cleere. Michael Malone is not up to the standard required skillfully, we have enough players that are "Cody type"

Morrissey is the same age as conor martin/chris bolger so about 23,john wallsh gave him a tough time in ballyhale in the relegation semi but walsh can do that when on form,I think there's something in morrissey.

As far as I know, he was called in last year but kept failing the beep test. Great at catching a ball

brookville · 19-10-2017 10:43PM

So am I right in saying we've dublin and galway away and wexford and offally at home?

dastardly00 · 19-10-2017 11:02PM

brookville wrote: »

So am I right in saying we've dublin and galway away and wexford and offally at home?

Yep. It's a tough draw for us in terms of playing Dublin & Galway away. But having Wexford in Nowlan Park and having no match in the previous round is a positive.

Round 1 - Dublin v Kilkenny; Offaly v Galway

Round 2 - Kilkenny v Offaly; Wexford v Dublin

Round 3 - Offaly v Wexford; Galway v Kilkenny

Round 4 - Dublin v Offaly; Wexford v Galway

Round 5 - Kilkenny v Wexford; Galway v Dublin

Noddy33 · 20-10-2017 08:31AM

Village87 wrote: »

How old is Enda Morrissey ? Much better prospect than Jason Cleere. Michael Malone is not up to the standard required skillfully, we have enough players that are "Cody type"

Always thought Enda with his really strong running game and touch had more inter count potential than Sean Morrissey. It a hugely important year for Jason Cleere in my opinion as he has to up his game to the levels we know he capable off if he serious about nailing a starting team position. Michael Malone is not going to make it senior inter county and a good club hurler is his standard.
I have been to a alot of club games this year and really worrying the drop in standard in club hurling in Kilkenny. I know we were blessed with the likes of the Ballyhale team at their peak......... but just general skill levels at all grades has dropped. I know it is a game where nerves play a huge part for both teams but the intermediate relegation match last week was woeful but more worryingly is was the 'old brigade' on both teams who played best on each team

citykat · 20-10-2017 12:07PM

Spotted in the grounds of @KieransCollege - you know a county is sports-mad when the pedestrian signs feature walking hurlers! https://t.co/6mTYOHKuEo

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