Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

Falthyron · 20-09-2017 10:37PM

david75 wrote: »

You've seen nothing to base that opinion in at all. None of us have. As you said you want these films to fail. So you're hardly going to give them a fair appraisal. Even a year out without seeing anything of it. Will say that guy better bring it as Han. It's all hanging on him. Nothing else.

Harrison Ford is Han Solo. We don't need to know where he came from or how he met Chewbacca. Its superfluous to the overall Skywalker Saga.

Personally, there is no point to this film. It will be filled with self-referencing nods to mannerisms shown by Ford in the Old Trilogy so the fans can all smile and nod at each other in unison. Moreover, you can bet we will get the 'Greedo Shot First' version of Han. We won't be given the grizzled, ruthless Han that existed up until that moment in A New Hope.

I'll still go and see it, but its the very idea of the film that comes across as lazy and money-grabbing. Another 'safe' and 'profitable' film, but bereft of substance. Years from now, people will think back fondly on the Skywalker Saga and their first experience of Star Wars, (unsure about the newest ones, yet) but they won't reminisce about the Han Solo film.

david75 · 20-09-2017 11:12PM

The spokesman or the drug though?
https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/910629203665702912

david75 · 20-09-2017 11:14PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Harrison Ford is Han Solo. We don't need to know where he came from or how he met Chewbacca. Its superfluous to the overall Skywalker Saga.

Personally, there is no point to this film. It will be filled with self-referencing nods to mannerisms shown by Ford in the Old Trilogy so the fans can all smile and nod at each other in unison. Moreover, you can bet we will get the 'Greedo Shot First' version of Han. We won't be given the grizzled, ruthless Han that existed up until that moment in A New Hope.

I'll still go and see it, but its the very idea of the film that comes across as lazy and money-grabbing. Another 'safe' and 'profitable' film, but bereft of substance. Years from now, people will think back fondly on the Skywalker Saga and their first experience of Star Wars, (unsure about the newest ones, yet) but they won't reminisce about the Han Solo film.

'I'll still go see it'

Tony EH · 21-09-2017 01:03AM

david75 wrote: »

You've seen nothing to base that opinion in at all. None of us have. As you said you want these films to fail. So you're hardly going to give them a fair appraisal. Even a year out without seeing anything of it. Will say that guy better bring it as Han. It's all hanging on him. Nothing else.

Everything I've seen so far has suggested that this is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. From the fact that the entire project is just a cash in on a famous name, to a Han Solo film without Han Solo, to the hiring of Lord+Miller, to the firing of Lord+Miller...ad nauseum.

And yes, I want THIS FILM to fail, because it deserves to fail.

Frankly, its failure harbours a much better outcome than its success.

Falthyron · 21-09-2017 01:29AM

david75 wrote: »

'I'll still go see it'

Yeah, no more than I support my football team even when the manager is terrible, the players can't be arsed, and the board of directors are only interested in making money. :P

eviltimeban · 21-09-2017 08:51AM

They'd have been better off having Harrison Ford in the movie, de-aged. Why not? It worked for Kurt Russell in GOTG 2, which was pretty mind blowing to look at. And Michael Douglas in Ant Man. Sure, it might have gotten a bit uncanny valley but it would've been the "real" Han Solo.

My guess is they thought of that but Ford didn't want to do it. Don't blame him, I think the OT gave as much Han story as we needed, from cynic to hero. Why do we need to see more cynic?

Saying that, I will go and see it. It could be great. Han Solo was my hero as a kid, and I could be pleasantly surprised.

Oh and I don't think that was Boba Fett in the picture. The shadow looks a bit wrong, and the aerial on the helmet too long.

Tony EH · 21-09-2017 08:58AM

It would never work for a major character that spends almost the entire film on the screen though.

That kind of tech can work with quick cuts and scenes that don't linger too long. But, you couldn't have a close up with the "magic" being revealed and in a bad way too.

david75 · 17-10-2017 04:36PM

Well we have a title.

Will they stick to may 2018 though? I hope so

Burgo · 17-10-2017 08:53PM

david75 wrote: »

Well we have a title.

Will they stick to may 2018 though? I hope so

Why would you hope so?
Anyway on a reddit thread someone came up with an excellent title, seems a bit more inspired than the one chosen; "Han Solo and the Smugglers of Kessel"

pixelburp · 17-10-2017 09:20PM

Yeah, it's an utterly utilitarian film title. Nothing to see here really and seemed like a missed opportunity - I do like that above Reddit one, definitely invokes the spirit of Indiana Jones which would have been pretty inspired.

Slydice · 17-10-2017 09:26PM

david75 wrote: »

Will they stick to may 2018 though? I hope so

Is there a competitor film? Who shot first?

J Mysterio · 18-10-2017 12:37AM

That is ****. 'Solo'. Its like focus groups said 'yeah, people liked when Finn called Han 'Solo'. The art style is off too, it looks like the type more suited to the cartoons.

Hooks Golf Handicap · 18-10-2017 08:07AM

How they picked han for a backstory is beyond me.
What we all want to see is a Vader piece covering the years while the Death Star is being built.
Basically him going around ****ing things up like the end of Rogue One,

Drumpot · 18-10-2017 08:11AM

Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »

How they picked han for a backstory is beyond me.
What we all want to see is a Vader piece covering the years while the Death Star is being built.
Basically him going around ****ing things up like the end of Rogue One,

A Vader back story? Sounds awesome but in reality I think Vader is best used sparingly in movies.... after 30 minutes of Vader mowing down cannon fodder it would lose its shock factor. His appearance at the end of R1 was breathtaking for anybody who loves the universe and didn’t see it coming...

NIMAN · 18-10-2017 08:18AM

I beat there was a team of people sitting around a table for a week to come up with the title of the film.

Drumpot · 18-10-2017 08:48AM

NIMAN wrote: »

I beat there was a team of people sitting around a table for a week to come up with the title of the film.

Yeh , wracking their brains, I can imagine a boardroom for the studio where ty have spent days just trying to come up with an awesome name:

Studio exec (SE)?“Ok guys, after 7 days of 40 people coming up with ideas for the name we have narrowed it down to 2 - Han goes it solo or solong Han! ..... now before we vote.....”

Quiet intern (QI) “Waittttttt. I’ve got one more suggestion ....”

SE: “You couldn’t possibly have any better an idea then 40 of the best minds in the business! Sure you are only in the door newbie, what makes you think your idea is worth even mentioning ? Ok, Come on then, share your idea, I’m sure we are all dieing to have a good laugh”.

QI: “ well what about just calling it Solo?”

Gasps in room!!!

SE “Dear lord Jesus, how did you do that?!!!”

david75 · 18-10-2017 08:54AM

For anyone with doubts about the art/title card, I hope they keep it and would ask you to remember the god awful clip art that was used for the rogue one title card.

Tony EH · 18-10-2017 10:55AM

I'd say those boardroom execs who came up with that title are like the smug twats in 'The Simpsons' that came up with 'Police Cops'.

Falthyron · 18-10-2017 11:20AM

'So Low: Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel - A Star Wars Story'

:rolleyes:

david75 · 18-10-2017 11:22AM

If we're very lucky it could do for the character what rogue one did for a new hope which is enhance it and add new layers. If we're very lucky.

Falthyron · 18-10-2017 11:29AM

david75 wrote: »

If we're very lucky it could do for the character what rogue one did for a new hope which is enhance it and add new layers. If we're very lucky.

It won't.

It will give us the backstory as to how Han and Chewie met (which isn't needed), it will show us why Obi Wan Kenobi gave the reaction he did in A New Hope when Han mentions running the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, and it will provide a number of examples that go on to explain Han's later behaviour and characteristics.

I won't be half surprised if Emilia Clarke's role in the film is that of a princess - hence why Han is suddenly so interested in rescuing Leia in A New Hope.

pixelburp · 18-10-2017 11:30AM

Forget Star Wars, when has a 'before they were famous' / 'the college years' style prequel ever improved or expanded a character from fiction? They're almost always hot garbage that sometimes retroactively erode fan support . Few Disney films ever hit that depth, but 'Solo' is answering a question nobody (bar hardcore obsessives) ever asked.

david75 · 18-10-2017 11:32AM

Sure has a mountain to climb, even within hardcore Star Wars fandom.

Falthyron · 18-10-2017 11:35AM

Just thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene where someone shoots at Han first, followed by a quip from Han saying: "I never shoot first" with a wink to the camera... :rolleyes:

david75 · 18-10-2017 12:24PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Just thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene where someone shoots at Han first, followed by a quip from Han saying: "I never shoot first" with a wink to the camera... :rolleyes:

Pretty sure that's where Lord and Miller were taking it. That's why they got fired.

Speaking of.

https://twitter.com/david75donovan/status/920623578604888065

J Mysterio · 18-10-2017 12:51PM

Will Greedo be in it? Almost guaranteed. Jabba the Hut?

eviltimeban · 18-10-2017 01:39PM

Jabba for definite. And maybe some of the other bounty hunters. Boba Fett will probably also be in it too.

While the purist in me is on the fence about seeing someone else play Han Solo, I'm interested in seeing the result. No one seems to have an issue with Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan right? (crappy dialogue and direction overlooked). Most SW fans would be happy to see him come back as Obi-Wan.

Tony EH · 18-10-2017 01:42PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Jabba for definite. And maybe some of the other bounty hunters. Boba Fett will probably also be in it too.

While the purist in me is on the fence about seeing someone else play Han Solo, I'm interested in seeing the result. No one seems to have an issue with Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan right? (crappy dialogue and direction overlooked). Most SW fans would be happy to see him come back as Obi-Wan.

That's because McGregor plays Kenobi decades before Alec Guinness's old man version.

This nonsense is taking place in the same decade as Harrison Ford's.

It's a woeful idea.

eviltimeban · 18-10-2017 01:54PM

Tony EH wrote: »

This nonsense is taking place in the same decade as Harrison Ford's.

Is it? Alden E could play him as a late-teenager. Ford's Solo would've been in his thirties (Ford was 35 when SW was released).

Goodshape · 18-10-2017 01:55PM

Just seems like they're failing to create a sustainable universe here. Or, really, not even trying.

Two 'Star Wars Story' films so far and they lean heavily on characters and events we've seen before.

It may well be a fun movie, but that galaxy far far away seems like an oddly small place.

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