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New motorway

  • 12-10-2017 9:20pm
    #1
    jimbo1979
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭


    Does anybody have any information on the new Ross by-pass?will Waterford technically have two motorways to Dublin when it's completed.maybe Dublin might decentralize some investment into Waterford if we have two motorways running between the two cities


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  • #2
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    Does anybody have any information on the new Ross by-pass?will Waterford technically have two motorways to Dublin when it's completed.maybe Dublin might decentralize some investment into Waterford if we have two motorways running between the two cities

    It's definitely not "two motorways". The N25 will be a dual carriageway by pass of new ross. There'll still be approx 35km of single carriageway N30 to link with the M11 at Enniscorthy. You'd be halfway to Dublin on the M9 in the time you'd waste there alone. The main benefit is improved link to Rosslare and Wexford itself.


  • #3
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    there will be single lane national road between glenmore and the new ross bypass and then from a new ross to enniscorthy. So no there will not be another extra motorway nor will it be dual carraigeway the whole way to Enniscorthy - Dublin Motorway


  • #4
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I thought the New Ross - Enniscorthy boreen was getting proper treatment.


  • #5
    jimbo1979
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭jimbo1979


    I see limerick-cork motorway has just been announced.now when will they link waterford-cork waterford-limerick motorway so Waterford gets a fair status like our Munster neighbours


  • #6
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Rosslare to Limerick is the one most in need of building IMO.

    Anyone landing in Rosslare and wishing to go west is in for a most horrible time.

    The previous intention to bypass all those towns on the way through Tipperary has been abandoned apparently.


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  • #7
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    I see limerick-cork motorway has just been announced.now when will they link waterford-cork waterford-limerick motorway so Waterford gets a fair status like our Munster neighbours

    “Waterford not be forgotten”

    Building a motorway between Waterford and Limerick would have achieved the same things, spread the advantages over the entire Munster area and would have been more cost effective. So now the southeast which was a region which suffered very badly from the recession is again going to be left at a greater disadvantage. Where the hell are our TD’s? They should be shouting about this!


  • #8
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Rosslare to Limerick is the one most in need of building IMO.

    Anyone landing in Rosslare and wishing to go west is in for a most horrible time.

    The previous intention to bypass all those towns on the way through Tipperary has been abandoned apparently.

    Limerick to Cahir is back on the table. That's the worst section of the current N24 really


  • #9
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    BBM77 wrote: »
    “Waterford not be forgotten”

    Building a motorway between Waterford and Limerick would have achieved the same things, spread the advantages over the entire Munster area and would have been more cost effective. So now the southeast which was a region which suffered very badly from the recession is again going to be left at a greater disadvantage. Where the hell are our TD’s? They should be shouting about this!

    The argument for building an M24 instead of an M20 has been discredited, hence why the M20 is now being built. I suggest you have a read of the various threads on the topic in the Roads Forum to give you an outline of why this is.


  • #10
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I just want a decent 21st century N24 not a motorway.


  • #11
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    pat ticket wrote: »
    The argument for building an M24 instead of an M20 has been discredited, hence why the M20 is now being built. I suggest you have a read of the various threads on the topic in the Roads Forum to give you an outline of why this is.

    Discredited?.....just more political weight probably


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  • #12
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Discredited?.....just more political weight probably

    Yes the roads forum carries a lot weight politically :lol:


  • #13
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    No, the ministers in Cork and Limerick dummy! :)


  • #14
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    No, the ministers in Cork and Limerick dummy! :)

    They must have read Martin Cullens playbook


  • #15
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    pat ticket wrote: »
    Yes the roads forum carries a lot weight politically :lol:

    Don't be silly pat, you know the main reason the 20 is on the agenda and with decent chance happening soon and 24 not is political weight....from politicians that is....just to confirm the bleedingly obvious to everyone else.


  • #16
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    road_high wrote: »
    Limerick to Cahir is back on the table. That's the worst section of the current N24 really

    Back on for what?
    Just by-passing the towns & villages and joining into the existing road, or on the table for an improved road all the way?

    Any estimate on start date?

    It needs at minimum a dual carriageway from Limerick to Waterford, and probably all the way to Rosslare.


  • #17
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    pat ticket wrote: »
    The argument for building an M24 instead of an M20 has been discredited, hence why the M20 is now being built. I suggest you have a read of the various threads on the topic in the Roads Forum to give you an outline of why this is.

    Discredited by who? For god sake everything that involves spending government money that would benefit Waterford is discredited. Nobody with half a brain takes these arguments seriously at this stage.


  • #18
    jimbo1979
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭jimbo1979


    If Waterford and Tipperary politicians got there fingers out and propose the cork Limerick route goes through mitchelstown then Waterford could link a new motorway from Waterford to mitchelstown and that would give Waterford a motorway to both cork and Limerick and link up the 3 cities for the same price as building a whole new motorway from cork to Limerick


  • #19
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    I don't see the point in having a motorway between Cork & Waterford, while there remains no decent road (dual carriageway or motorway) between Waterford and Limerick.
    Motorways along coasts are nice to have, but thos inland serve a larger area.

    I can see the need for Cork to Limerick motorway, and help serve East Kerry too.


  • #20
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,472 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Discredited by who? For god sake everything that involves spending government money that would benefit Waterford is discredited. Nobody with half a brain takes these arguments seriously at this stage.

    If you want to link Cork and Limerick the M20 is the best and most direct way. The N24 requires separate investment also.


  • #21
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    If Waterford and Tipperary politicians got there fingers out and propose the cork Limerick route goes through mitchelstown then Waterford could link a new motorway from Waterford to mitchelstown and that would give Waterford a motorway to both cork and Limerick and link up the 3 cities for the same price as building a whole new motorway from cork to Limerick

    Precisely.


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  • #22
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    road_high wrote: »
    If you want to link Cork and Limerick the M20 is the best and most direct way. The N24 requires separate investment also.

    Yes, but common sense would tell you that the most cost effective, beneficial to the largest area and fairest way would be to link Waterford with the M8 and the M8 to Limerick. It would still achieve what they want in building a motorway between Cork and Limerick. Not that this is how these decisions are made in reality.


  • #23
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    If Waterford and Tipperary politicians got there fingers out and propose the cork Limerick route goes through mitchelstown then Waterford could link a new motorway from Waterford to mitchelstown and that would give Waterford a motorway to both cork and Limerick and link up the 3 cities for the same price as building a whole new motorway from cork to Limerick

    Politicians , councils and councillors from tipp and the south east have already done that .the cost benefits and sound reasons mean little if the likes of coveney,m.Martin, Noonan, etc want their own more expensive motorway with their name on it.


  • #24
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    Does anybody have any information on the new Ross by-pass?will Waterford technically have two motorways to Dublin when it's completed.maybe Dublin might decentralize some investment into Waterford if we have two motorways running between the two cities

    Oh no we won't!


  • #25
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Yes, but common sense would tell you that the most cost effective, beneficial to the largest area and fairest way would be to link Waterford with the M8 and the M8 to Limerick. It would still achieve what they want in building a motorway between Cork and Limerick. Not that this is how these decisions are made in reality.

    Again, I urge you to have a read of the threads in the Roads Forum on the benefits of an M20 vs M24/M513.

    Most current N20 traffic isnt end to end (4% of total journies iirc). The objective of the M20 isnt just to link Cork - Limerick, its to improve journey times from the various towns on the route which are in the commuter belt of both cities.

    Also on the cost effectiveness point, a spur from the current M20 to the M8 would require significant tunnelling through mountains which is extremely expensive, and the current N20 would still require significant upgrading, so your point about it being more cost effective doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.

    Before you respond I'd suggest you browse the threads referenced in the Roads forum where there's hundreds of posts on this exact topic, much food for thought.


  • #26
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    pat ticket wrote: »
    Again, I urge you to have a read of the threads in the Roads Forum on the benefits of an M20 vs M24/M513.

    Most current N20 traffic isnt end to end (4% of total journies iirc). The objective of the M20 isnt just to link Cork - Limerick, its to improve journey times from the various towns on the route which are in the commuter belt of both cities.

    Also on the cost effectiveness point, a spur from the current M20 to the M8 would require significant tunnelling through mountains which is extremely expensive, and the current N20 would still require significant upgrading, so your point about it being more cost effective doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.

    Before you respond I'd suggest you browse the threads referenced in the Roads forum where there's hundreds of posts on this exact topic, much food for thought.

    Motorway to cahir half the cost, most important stat ignored.


  • #27
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Motorway to cahir half the cost, most important stat ignored.

    As advised, a spur from M20 to M8 would be overly costly due to tunnelling.


  • #28
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    pat ticket wrote: »
    As advised, a spur from M20 to M8 would be overly costly due to tunnelling.

    They clearly said about half the cost if upgraded the n24 cahir to limerick, costly yes but half of other option


  • #29
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    Max Powers wrote: »
    They clearly said about half the cost if upgraded the n24 cahir to limerick, costly yes but half of other option

    Think we're getting projects mixed up, I'm referring to a potential spur from Mitchelstown M8 to the current M20 which was also suggested.

    For Cork - Limerick traffic, going M8 and then a potential M24 via Cahir doesn't make sense. I doubt there would be much if any time savings for end to end traffic using that route over the current N20.

    The M24 will be built eventually, it just has to wait its turn like the M20 has.


  • #30
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    pat ticket wrote: »
    Think we're getting projects mixed up, I'm referring to a potential spur from Mitchelstown M8 to the current M20 which was also suggested.

    For Cork - Limerick traffic, going M8 and then a potential M24 via Cahir doesn't make sense. I doubt there would be much if any time savings for end to end traffic using that route over the current N20.

    The M24 will be built eventually, it just has to wait its turn like the M20 has.

    They said cahir or potentially mitchelstowni think.if the existing road from cork to limerick is really that bad (not doubting it) then surely motorway to cahir/mitch'/limerick would make significant time savings.plus about 350m in savings too


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  • #31
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    pat ticket wrote: »
    Think we're getting projects mixed up, I'm referring to a potential spur from Mitchelstown M8 to the current M20 which was also suggested.

    For Cork - Limerick traffic, going M8 and then a potential M24 via Cahir doesn't make sense. I doubt there would be much if any time savings for end to end traffic using that route over the current N20.

    The M24 will be built eventually, it just has to wait its turn like the M20 has.

    Ahh, this is it. Screw you jack we are alright is what you are really getting at.

    Quite frankly I find this condescending and the same attitude that has Waterford people dying on the side of roads in ambulances. I’d love to know why we have to “wait our turn” in your self-appointed pecking order when there is a perfectly viable and fairer option.


  • #32
    pat ticket
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭pat ticket


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Ahh, this is it. Screw you jack we are alright is what you are really getting at.

    Quite frankly I find this condescending and the same attitude that has Waterford people dying on the side of roads in ambulances. I’d love to know why we have to “wait our turn” in your self-appointed pecking order when there is a perfectly viable and fairer option.

    Yes you'll have to wait for the M24, just like the people who will use the M20 have waited while the interurban programme was built, then the M18 and M17 and M11 upgrades. Consider that the M20 was supposed to be built by now but the aforementioned interurban programme and the recession got in the way.

    And seeing as you're bringing emotive reasoning into the discussion, what about the people who die regularly on the current sub-standard N20? what good is an M24 to people who travel the N20 goat track day after day? You and others seem to completely miss the very obvious point that most people who will use the M20 won't be driving Limerick to Cork and back again, but will be travelling from towns in between the 2 cities.


  • #33
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    If Waterford and Tipperary politicians got there fingers out and propose the cork Limerick route goes through mitchelstown then Waterford could link a new motorway from Waterford to mitchelstown and that would give Waterford a motorway to both cork and Limerick and link up the 3 cities for the same price as building a whole new motorway from cork to Limerick

    Cork to Limerick via Mitchelstown is not viable!

    If you have ever travelled the N20 you’d know this.

    Plus if your proposal went ahead the Dunkettle roundabout would have traffic from all of north Cork going into it.

    an M24 is viable in the long term.

    As is a bypass of Killeagh and Castlemartyr along the N25 route.


  • #34
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    Cork to Limerick via Mitchelstown is not viable!

    If you have ever travelled the N20 you’d know this.

    Plus if your proposal went ahead the Dunkettle roundabout would have traffic from all of north Cork going into it.

    an M24 is viable in the long term.

    As is a bypass of Killeagh and Castlemartyr along the N25 route.

    Dublin takes the m7,8&9 into the red cow, the dunkettle can take traffic from limerick and towns north of cork city.sure a separate motorway into cork in a different location maybe ,would be nice but in reality, money is tight,I don't think the rolls Royce option is prudent


  • #35
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Dublin takes the m7,8&9 into the red cow, the dunkettle can take traffic from limerick and towns north of cork city.sure a separate motorway into cork in a different location maybe ,would be nice but in reality, money is tight,I don't think the rolls Royce option is prudent

    Maybe not,however it is most likely the preferred option and one i favour myself.

    Join the discussion and express your feelings by all means, i'd be interested in seeing how many agree with you that it should branch off from Mitchelstown, the majority from what i've seen are in favour of it going from Blarney to Patrickswell.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055372963


  • #36
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Cork Truck Driver wrote: »
    Maybe not,however it is most likely the preferred option and one i favour myself.

    Join the discussion and express your feelings by all means, i'd be interested in seeing how many agree with you that it should branch off from Mitchelstown, the majority from what i've seen are in favour of it going from Blarney to Patrickswell.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055372963

    Wha!I don't think a thread dominated by people from cork/limerick are gonna be too happy or agree with my thoughts on how their two cities should be linked, and they should be by motorway, but I and others think there is a more sensible/prudent way/route.


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  • #37
    boardsuser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Wha!I don't think a thread dominated by people from cork/limerick are gonna be too happy or agree with my thoughts on how their two cities should be linked, and they should be by motorway, but I and others think there is a more sensible/prudent way/route.

    Hop over and voice your opinion regardless :D


  • #38
    Muttley79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Muttley79


    Anybody have any update on when new Ross by pass bridge will be open to the public


  • #39
    Tim the Enchanter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Tim the Enchanter


    Muttley79 wrote: »
    Anybody have any update on when new Ross by pass bridge will be open to the public

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056034388&page=72


  • #40
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Muttley79 wrote: »
    Anybody have any update on when new Ross by pass bridge will be open to the public

    They are saying July.


  • #41
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,272 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Nope. November at the earliest.


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  • #42
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Nope. November at the earliest.

    Where did you see or see that as according to the councils update and BAM themselves they are saying it is on time.


  • #43
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,272 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    It's in the New Ross bypass thread. If you travel to down to take a look at it, there's a LOT to be done still. It's currently 6 months behind schedule.


  • #44
    Teebor15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Teebor15


    alta stare wrote: »
    Where did you see or see that as according to the councils update and BAM themselves they are saying it is on time.

    BAM also said they could build the new children's hospital for 650m!


  • #45
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,272 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Teebor15 wrote: »
    BAM also said they could build the new children's hospital for 650m!

    Was that BAM too??


  • #46
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Azatadine wrote:
    Was that BAM too??


    Apparently so, they seem to doing well out of public projects


  • #47
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Azatadine wrote: »
    It's in the New Ross bypass thread. If you travel to down to take a look at it, there's a LOT to be done still. It's currently 6 months behind schedule.

    The councils updates are also in that. I know from reading and posting in that thread that some posters have mentioned it is behind as they supposedly heard so.

    I know there is a good bit to do especially with the bridge itself but the major overpasses and the likes are pretty much done.

    Id be surprised if it takes until November. Maybe they wont hit the July date but i cant see it going past September. Each week that i pass it you can see more being done.


  • #48
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Teebor15 wrote: »
    BAM also said they could build the new children's hospital for 650m!

    Well to be fair if the government are dumb enough to willingly throw money at BAM then of course BAM would start upping the cost. Contracts were signed off on in that hospital without proper consultation or planning. Typical Irish way of going about things.


  • #49
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    alta stare wrote:
    Well to be fair if the government are dumb enough to willingly throw money at BAM then of course BAM would start upping the cost. Contracts were signed off on in that hospital without proper consultation or planning. Typical Irish way of going about things.


    Or was it planned that way?


  • #50
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Or was it planned that way?

    Probably :D


  • #51
    Muttley79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Muttley79


    Thought I'd just bump this thread again.the cork or limerick crowd won't like the thought of sharing their beloved motorway with waterford.politics was winning out while economic sense is to link cork limerick and waterford through chair
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-40248434.html


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