Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Shurimgreat · 13-10-2017 02:49PM

I think you can take it as a given that many of the very rich actors and actresses in Hollywood got there by working with a lot of unsavoury characters such as Weinstein.

And those who had principles and refused to play the same game ended up unemployed and impoverished.

Turning a blind eye or keeping quiet seems to have been the key to success in Hollywood.

Venom · 13-10-2017 02:55PM

anna080 wrote: »

All it would have taken is someone with enough prominence and power to say something in an editorial or an interview, instead of talking about lipstick or some stupid sh!t that doesn't even matter, maybe make a comment about how the industry isn't all as it seems; lord knows they get enough opportunity to talk about themselves and their art.

Something like this coming from the right person could have gotten the ball rolling and would have got people talking. You wouldn't even have to name names, something like "I'm really grateful to be doing what I love but there are a lot of misconceptions about this industry and as wonderful as it is at times there is also a lot of rot that needs to be exposed". But no. It's much easier to spew self indulgent nonsense and pat yourself on the back while painting a false picture of la la land.

This is what I just don't get. You have women like Jolie, Paltrow and now Jane Fonda who have more money and fame than god, have the attention of the worlds media at their feet yet never once choose to speak up until now?

Seriously, at what point when you become so insanely rich and so world famous, don't you feel like its pay back time on people like Weinstein who abused you and other actors you know and continues to abuse new actors entering the industry?

I know not every actor would be in a position to spill the beans so to speak on such horrid practices, but many, many were yet choose to do nothing and let the abuse continue.

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 02:57PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Everyone is friends if you can benefit their career - association with Weinstein will be a hindrance from now on given the amount of stories spewing out now and nobody will want him anywhere near them. He'll be the sacrificial lamb, prosecuted to show the world how Hollywood is now changing its ways but the same old shít will still keep happening under the surface.

Gotta say, I’m okay with him being a sacrificial lamb.

Venom · 13-10-2017 03:03PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Gotta say, I’m okay with him being a sacrificial lamb.

And once he's out of the picture it will be back to business as usual and nothing will have changed.

marienbad · 13-10-2017 03:05PM

Venom wrote: »

This is what I just don't get. You have women like Jolie, Paltrow and now Jane Fonda who have more money and fame than god, have the attention of the worlds media at their feet yet never once choose to speak up until now?

Seriously, at what point when you become so insanely rich and so world famous, don't you feel like its pain back time on people like Weinstein who abused you and other actors you know and continues to abuse new actors entering the industry?

I know not every actor would be in a position to spill the beans so to speak on such horrid practices, but many, many were yet choose to do nothing and let the abuse continue.

As regards the suppression and fear engendered by the establishment Hollywood we have been here before but in a different context .

All you need do is read the history of the HUAC blacklists in the 50's to see how the studio heads destroyed the lives of many and the bulk of stars were nowhere to be seen even as their friend and colleagues went down in flames .

Another thing to consider is that we as a nation are not much good at speaking out ourselves , we left undisturbed a swamp of offenders for well over half a century .

brooke 2 · 13-10-2017 03:08PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think you can take it as a given that many of the very rich actors and actresses in Hollywood got there by working with a lot of unsavoury characters such as Weinstein.

And those who had principles and refused to play the same game ended up unemployed and impoverished.

Turning a blind eye or keeping quiet seems to have been the key to success in Hollywood.

How many of those 'poor victims' have been pictured wrapped around Weinstein, gazing adoringly at him, especially after they had won their Oscar?! :rolleyes:
Gwyneth Paltrow, Meryl Streep, Nicole Kidman, among others, come to mind!

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 03:13PM

Venom wrote: »

And once he's out of the picture it will be back to business as usual and nothing will have changed.

We don’t know that. Things have changed for the better in the film industry before. For example, animal welfare standards are so much better than they used to be. I don’t get the defeatist attitudes here - how are they helping anything?

Ulysses Gaze · 13-10-2017 03:16PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

We don’t know that. Things have changed for the better in the film industry before. For example, animal welfare standards are so much better than they used to be. I don’t get the defeatist attitudes here - how are they helping anything?

I would love nothing more than every abuser of men, women and children, no matter how famous, was exposed in Hollywood.

There is just far too much money swimming around though so what may happen is this stuff is driven further underground and the hush money payments get much larger.

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 03:22PM

None of this is a reason for Weinstein not to be held responsible. Don’t want to be a “sacrificial lamb”? How about, you know, not being a fucking degenerate and stuff?

Ulysses Gaze · 13-10-2017 03:26PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

None of this is a reason for Weinstein not to be held responsible. Don’t want to be a “sacrificial lamb”? How about, you know, not being a fucking degenerate and stuff?

Personally, I find the phrase "sacrificial lamb" to be troubling.

It hints at one person being punished and the rest of the degenerates getting away with it.

I'd love to see the whole diseased, corrupt temple fall down on all their heads.

Venom · 13-10-2017 03:28PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

None of this is a reason for Weinstein not to be held responsible. Don’t want to be a “sacrificial lamb”? How about, you know, not being a fucking degenerate and stuff?

Not one person in this thread has said he shouldn't be held accountable. Some just believe it won't change anything in the industry when he's out of the picture and the media has moved onto the next big thing.

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 03:30PM

Venom wrote: »

Not one person in this thread has said he shouldn't be held accountable. Some just believe it won't change anything in the industry when he's out of the picture and the media has moved onto the next big thing.

Then that brings me back to “I’m very happy for him to be a sacrificial lamb”. Better one person than nobody at all.

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 03:31PM

Also note, I was not the person who brought up the phrase “sacrificial lamb”.

Outlaw Pete · 13-10-2017 03:37PM

Oliver Stone the latest to be accused.

https://twitter.com/HotpageNews/status/918847926734065666

Hande hoche! · 13-10-2017 03:40PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oliver Stone the latest to be accused.

https://twitter.com/HotpageNews/status/918847926734065666

He might have to flee to Russia.

backspin. · 13-10-2017 03:43PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think you can take it as a given that many of the very rich actors and actresses in Hollywood got there by working with a lot of unsavoury characters such as Weinstein.

And those who had principles and refused to play the same game ended up unemployed and impoverished.

Turning a blind eye or keeping quiet seems to have been the key to success in Hollywood.

I can't help think of them all sitting in their finery at the Golden Globes or the Oscars talking down to the trump supporters and lambasting trump himself. How many of them have been abusers or have known about the abusers and said nothing. Sitting there as if they are the pillars of morality. Sickening really.

kunst nugget · 13-10-2017 03:45PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Then that brings me back to “I’m very happy for him to be a sacrificial lamb”. Better one person than nobody at all.

Not if it means Hollywood can whitewash over everything else by saying 'Look how good we are! We brought down Weinstein! We're all okay now. Nothing more to see!' when at its core, nothing has changed and young people are still being exploited. Sadly, I think that's what's going to happen.

AllGunsBlazing · 13-10-2017 03:51PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Personally, I find the phrase "sacrificial lamb" to be troubling.

It hints at one person being punished and the rest of the degenerates getting away with it.

I'd love to see the whole diseased, corrupt temple fall down on all their heads.

There's a school of thought that all of Weinstein's past advances on women are only coming fully into the public domain as the result of a power play by his brother. No sympathy for the sleazey git either way - but if that is the case then this will likely begin and end with him.

It is odd that one of the most protected sexual predators in Hollywood all of a sudden finds himself under the bus.

_Dara_ · 13-10-2017 03:52PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Not if it means Hollywood can whitewash over everything else by saying 'Look how good we are! We brought down Weinstein! We're all okay now. Nothing more to see!' when at its core, nothing has changed and young people are still being exploited. Sadly, I think that's what's going to happen.

Who knows?

But for his victims, this could be a good thing. And we don't know if it will be business as usual.

Crea · 13-10-2017 03:53PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Not if it means Hollywood can whitewash over everything else by saying 'Look how good we are! We brought down Weinstein! We're all okay now. Nothing more to see!' when at its core, nothing has changed and young people are still being exploited. Sadly, I think that's what's going to happen.

Sadly I think you're right. Once Weinstein has been dealt with they'll convince themselves that all is right in Hollywood again whereas it's common knowledge from the testimony of Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood that child abuse is systematic in the Hollywood system.

Venom · 13-10-2017 03:54PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

There's a school of thought that all of Weinstein's past advances on women are only coming fully into the public domain as the result of a power play by his brother. No sympathy for the sleazey git either way - but if that is the case then this will likely begin and end with him.

I'v seen similar stories pop up regard this all coming to light due to his brother wanting to take over the company and leaking details to certain media sources.

cnocbui · 13-10-2017 03:55PM

backspin. wrote: »

I can't help think of them all sitting in their finery at the Golden Globes or the Oscars talking down to the trump supporters and lambasting trump himself. How many of them have been abusers or have known about the abusers and said nothing. Sitting there as if they are the pillars of morality. Sickening really.

Would you rack off with this disgusting nonsense of equating those cognisant of a rumour with the actual abusers. The really complicit culprits are the DA's, Police and others in authority positions whos jobs are to see that laws are complied with and enforced, and who have not done their job down through the decades.

Penn · 13-10-2017 04:01PM

Venom wrote: »

I'v seen similar stories pop up regard this all coming to light due to his brother wanting to take over the company and leaking details to certain media sources.

I'd doubt it to be honest. The blowback on The Weinstein Company has been huge and wouldn't have been unforeseen. They moved quickly to try and distance themselves from him but it's definitely a stink that will stick to them going forward, and to Bob especially.

kunst nugget · 13-10-2017 04:02PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Personally, I find the phrase "sacrificial lamb" to be troubling.

It hints at one person being punished and the rest of the degenerates getting away with it.

I'd love to see the whole diseased, corrupt temple fall down on all their heads.

Which is why I used the phrase in the first place. Call me a cynic but I don't see this changing anything about the practices going on Hollywood. They'll throw Harvey Weinstein under the bus, wipe themselves down and keep doing what they're doing.

AllGunsBlazing · 13-10-2017 04:07PM

Penn wrote: »

I'd doubt it to be honest. The blowback on The Weinstein Company has been huge and wouldn't have been unforeseen. They moved quickly to try and distance themselves from him but it's definitely a stink that will stick to them going forward, and to Bob especially.

They'll change the name of the company and undergo a PR makeover. Probably appointing a female CEO will be the first step. Hollywood is fickle and has a notoriously short memory. One box office success and you're back in the game.

Crea · 13-10-2017 04:20PM

No mention of the rampant child sex abuse as highlighted by Coey Feldman and Elijah Wood

Outlaw Pete · 13-10-2017 04:43PM

Venom wrote: »

This is what I just don't get. You have women like Jolie, Paltrow and now Jane Fonda who have more money and fame than god, have the attention of the worlds media at their feet yet never once choose to speak up until now?

Seriously, at what point when you become so insanely rich and so world famous, don't you feel like its pay back time on people like Weinstein who abused you and other actors you know and continues to abuse new actors entering the industry?

Agree 100% and it's the elephant in the room really isn't it.

Rose McGowan is on Twitter all week posting tweets directed at men, such as the following:

https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/918622636485124096

But why is she only addressing men?? Why not the women of Hollywood too.

Or indeed, why doesn't she look in the mirror. Rose claims that Harvey raped her in 1997 and yet what did SHE do about it? And don't give that crap about her being a young naive starlet who feared she'd never work again or that nobody would believe her. I mean, I don't doubt she may never have worked for the Weinsteins again (she did by the way) or that people may have doubted her but so what, surely this was a serious situation and worth risking all that if there was a producer raping vulnerable actresses. She was a big star on the back of being in Scream at that stage and so had some clout. Yet instead of going to the Police and saying she was raped, even if just to prevent him doing it to another girl.... she accepted a payment of $100,000 to say nothing more of it.

Oh and she wasn't alone. Let's carve another slice of this all too present elephant shall we.

In 2013 28-year-old Lauren O’Connor became an assistant to the Weinsteins. She began to witness a plethora of the type of incidents we are all now aware of. She suspected that she and other female Weinstein employees were being used to facilitate liaisons with “vulnerable women who hope he will get them work.” Overtime (roughly two years) she began feeling more and more compelled to do something about it.... so she did and in 2015 she wrote a stinging 'memo' to the board, however.................

After reaching a settlement with Mr. Weinstein, Ms. O’Connor withdrew her complaint and thanked him for the career opportunity he had given her.

So why did SHE not go public or to the Police? Why does Rose McGowan expect a standard from men that she's seems perfectly happy to overlook when it's lacking in a female.

Any of these people that took settlements should be ashamed of themselves.

al87987 · 13-10-2017 04:44PM

The hush money angle really pisses me off too.

retro:electro · 13-10-2017 04:53PM

al87987 wrote: »

The hush money angle really pisses me off too.

Rose is also pictured with Harvey at events, smiling with him almost 10 years after taking money from him. She most likely would still be silent even now, only for his own brother was the one to throw him under the bus. She took the money and kept her mouth shut, yet is now shaming others who did the same.
I feel for her, I really do- but there's so much about this whole fcuking thing that I do not understand.

Billy86 · 13-10-2017 04:54PM

Crea wrote: »

Sadly I think you're right. Once Weinstein has been dealt with they'll convince themselves that all is right in Hollywood again whereas it's common knowledge from the testimony of Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood that child abuse is systematic in the Hollywood system.

I'd expect a small handful of others to go to, at most 1-2 high profile names but likely maybe 6-12 people we've barely/never heard of who are more on the 'off the camera' side of things. Makes it a bit easier to declare "problem solved!" even though it clearly won't be.

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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