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Budget 2018 - Mod note in post #1

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  • #302
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,965 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    myshirt wrote: »
    Jack O'Connor is off again if anyone is watching Primetime. This man is unreal.

    Absolute hypocrite, he's earning some insane money compared to his union's members


  • #303
    VinLieger
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    FG are in the driving seat, you can claim otherwise all you wish. If of course FG are unhappy with the budget they can vote against. It would be interesting to see a government collapse itself.

    Do you understand how limited a minority govenrment is? They have to get FF to agree to everything or nothing happens. FG may be in power but unless they have FF on board they dont get anywhere.


  • #304
    server down
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    BoatMad wrote: »
    what a bizarre confusion , given that FF wrote half this budget and largely the half that increased spending



    when a country is in " good shape" thats precisely the time NOT to give any tax cuts, surely 2000+ has shown you that . All you do is overheat the economy and drive up prices and then wage demands



    its in grand shape , steady as she goes ...

    If you don’t give tax cuts during a boom you need to have reserves to give tax cuts during a recession. Otherwise you don’t get the Keynesian counter cyclical policies working correctly. And taxes only ever go up.


  • #305
    Hitman3000
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    VinLieger wrote:
    Do you understand how limited a minority govenrment is? They have to get FF to agree to everything or nothing happens. FG may be in power but unless they have FF on board they dont get anywhere.


    So eventhough FG is in government, it's FF fault. Sound so. It was Labour's fault 2 years ago.


  • #306
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,468 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »
    Even with this second consecutive increases the dole is still lower than it was 11 years ago. Cost of living has gone up massively in that time.

    We're nowhere near full employment, if we were then the government wouldn't have needed another silly scheme like Jobpath.

    If you want my weekly fiver idbatterim, I'll give it to ya, it's clearly causing you more distress than it will do to improve my life.



    Not intended as a pop at you personally - but the first sentence sums up one of the biggest problems we have with the public attitude in this country.

    Comparing the welfare rates to what they were at the height of the boom is completely ridiculous (same goes for comparing wage rates - as every high profile wage dispute at the minute is trying to do).

    There seems to be a huge cohort in the country who seem to think that the highly inflated spending of the Celtic Tiger was actually a good thing, and should be taken as a baseline level for spending levels.

    The reason the crash hit this country so badly was that, as well as massive borrowings, we had inflated so many elements of our public spending to excessive levels.

    That so many people still haven't learned the lessons from this, and think that those excessive levels are the baseline that should be taken as a starting point for spending, is a poor reflection on the Irish electorate.


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  • #307
    VinLieger
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    So eventhough FG is in government, it's FF fault. Sound so. It was Labour's fault 2 years ago.

    You need to learn to read what people are saying. They are both equally responsible for the mess in that the budget is all over the place


  • #308
    Hitman3000
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    VinLieger wrote:
    You need to learn to read what people are saying. They are both equally responsible for the mess in that the budget is all over the place


    They're not though. FG is ultimately responsible as they are the main governing party. If they are unhappy with their mess collapse the government and go to the people. Simple.


  • #309
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,965 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They're not though. FG is ultimately responsible as they are the main governing party. If they are unhappy with their mess collapse the government and go to the people. Simple.

    Similarly FF could collapse the government by voting down the budget or proposing a vote of no confidence which they would get the support of the rest of the opposition for. They don't and therefore are responsible for the government staying in power.

    I dont know why you are so adamant to refuse to accept that FF have a modicum of responsibility and control here too.


  • #310
    lawred2
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    The lack of investment in infrastructure is chronic. I'd happily give up my cup of coffee every week for the start of MN

    I'd like to see a Dublin city tax paid by all workers in Dublin.. €1 a week from everyone working in Dublin city and county regardless of income levels. Solely for the purposes of funding infrastructure in Dublin.


  • #311
    server down
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    blackwhite wrote: »
    Not intended as a pop at you personally - but the first sentence sums up one of the biggest problems we have with the public attitude in this country.

    Comparing the welfare rates to what they were at the height of the boom is completely ridiculous (same goes for comparing wage rates - as every high profile wage dispute at the minute is trying to do).

    There seems to be a huge cohort in the country who seem to think that the highly inflated spending of the Celtic Tiger was actually a good thing, and should be taken as a baseline level for spending levels.

    The reason the crash hit this country so badly was that, as well as massive borrowings, we had inflated so many elements of our public spending to excessive levels.

    That so many people still haven't learned the lessons from this, and think that those excessive levels are the baseline that should be taken as a starting point for spending, is a poor reflection on the Irish electorate.

    I mean wages have to go past boom levels sometime. Or else it’s decades of stagnation.


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  • #312
    One_Of_Shanks
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    Was there nothing done for inheritance tax? I thought FG had said they would increase it to 500,000 from parent to child but seems they didn't change it at all in this budget or did I miss something?


  • #313
    VinLieger
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    I'd like to see a Dublin city tax paid by all workers in Dublin.. €1 a week from everyone working in Dublin city and county regardless of income levels. Solely for the purposes of funding infrastructure in Dublin.

    Good luck with getting something like that past the socialists


  • #314
    Hitman3000
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    VinLieger wrote:
    Similarly FF could collapse the government by voting down the budget or proposing a vote of no confidence which they would get the support of the rest of the opposition for. They don't and therefore are responsible for the government staying in power.


    Not in FF's interests to collapse the government, the electorate won't take kindly to whatever party does that. Better for FF to let FG catch it in the neck for this mess (as you put it) of a budget.


  • #315
    boardsuser1
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    I'd like to see a Dublin city tax paid by all workers in Dublin.. €1 a week from everyone working in Dublin city and county regardless of income levels. Solely for the purposes of funding infrastructure in Dublin.
    Ssshhhhhhh

    This could catch on for everywhere else in the future.


  • #316
    VinLieger
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    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Was there nothing done for inheritance tax? I thought FG had said they would increase it to 500,000 from parent to child but seems they didn't change it at all in this budget or did I miss something?

    Im gonna guess FF may have taken an axe to that for some reason, its the only thing that makes sense considering how gung ho FG have been about it


  • #317
    Hitman3000
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    VinLieger wrote:
    I dont know why you are so adamant to refuse to accept that FF have a modicum of responsibility and control here too.


    They don't though, it's entirely up to FG to allow that control. FG has an option which you refuse to recognise.


  • #318
    VinLieger
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    They don't though, it's entirely up to FG to allow that control. FG has an option which you refuse to recognise.

    No im not im saying both have control, you are actually the one refusing to recognise FF have control and responsibility, you are going around in circles here and making zero sense


  • #319
    [Deleted User]
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Why doesn't everyone do then? Sounds great.

    Oh I know, cos it's bollocks.

    I, too, know people who are surviving on social welfare and your little scenario doesn't fit and if it did, the whole bloody country would go on the dole and stay there.

    Self respect, drive, a determination to provide for yourself and contribute to society and not to be a bum all your life.


  • #320
    Geuze
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    Straffan1979 wrote: »
    not the 'many' I know- want to win the next election get rid of USC; its toxic - it constantly reminds people we're paying for the Celtic Tiger every week u open the payslip.

    Grand.

    Merging USC with PRSI means USC is gone, that should appease people.

    Note that does not mean that overall taxes will fall, as they can't, as we have an ageing pop to support.

    All it means is that one deduction disappears from the payslip.


  • #321
    blackwhite
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    server down wrote: »
    I mean wages have to go past boom levels sometime. Or else it’s decades of stagnation.

    Indeed they do - at some time, but not necessarily now. The point where levels pass the boom rates should happen based on sensible annual growth rates, in line with cost of living increases. The constant screaming about how people want things to go back to Celtic Tiger levels just shows a lack of understanding as to how out of control public spending was in the Bertie years.

    Using the boom numbers - which any sane personal can see were outliers - as the benchmark is insane.

    Much more meaningful to look at growth in wages, welfare, and other spending from a benchmark before the Celtic Tiger threw things askew, and see how that compares to the growth in the cost of living, the CPI, etc.


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  • #322
    Hitman3000
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    Augeo wrote:
    Self respect, drive, a determination to provide for yourself and contribute to society and not to be a bum all your life.


    Yeah but it's still bollix aswell.


  • #323
    Geuze
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    Trampas wrote: »
    Why do social protection department need more money when there are more people working?

    Where's all that money gone?

    DSP exp to fall next year, I heard.


  • #324
    boardsuser1
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    Geuze wrote: »
    DSP exp to fall next year, I heard.

    After the election is it ;)


  • #325
    [Deleted User]
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Yeah but it's still bollix aswell.

    I know lots of lots of folk in their mid to late 30s and older who have nice accommodation for very little and they've been unemployed for 10/15 years plus..... a kid or two is par for the course too.

    A decent proportion of folk on SW are milking it.


  • #326
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Originally Posted by Tony EH viewpost.gif
    Why doesn't everyone do then? Sounds great.

    Oh I know, cos it's bollocks.

    I, too, know people who are surviving on social welfare and your little scenario doesn't fit and if it did, the whole bloody country would go on the dole and stay there.
    Augeo wrote: »
    Self respect, drive, a determination to provide for yourself and contribute to society and not to be a bum all your life.


    Bullshit.

    The REAL reason is that they know that it's a terrible way to exist and making ends meet on the dole is extremely difficult, if not impossible in some cases.

    They know that it's nowhere near the stupid scenario that some bitter clowns want to portray it as, as a life of leisure, with free gaffs, holidays to foreign shores, cars, drink, drugs and whatever you're having yourself.


  • #327
    draiochtanois
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  • #328
    [Deleted User]
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Bullshit.

    The REAL reason is that they know that it's a terrible way to exist and making ends meet on the dole is extremely difficult, if not impossible in some cases.

    They know that it's nowhere near the stupid scenario that some bitter clowns want to portray it as, as a life of leisure, with free gaffs, holidays to foreign shores, cars, drink, drugs and whatever you're having yourself.

    I know quite a few single ladies with sprogs who live in nice enough houses, have cars and go on foreign holidays every year or so and DO NOT work.


  • #329
    keane2097
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    People have a large issue with the welfare increases. Voting for any of the alternatives is now a blatant waste of time. The Irish version of the torries i.e. Fg, would probably be deemed left of centre in U.K.!!!

    Anyone pissec off about he situation and there are a serious number all over social media and under comments section on newspapers, well, if you havent woken up and smelled the coffee fool me once ... we've been taken for a ride too many times...

    Re:Renua - I think the majority of the electorate wouldn't see the idea of handing the country back to the church as a fair exchange for getting a fiver back off supposed dole scroungers.


  • #330
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,755 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Says you.

    The dept of Welfare says it isn't.

    1 person actually caught in the first six months of this year. It cost more money to institute a campaign of catching supposed welfare fraudsters, than it was worth.


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  • #331
    draiochtanois
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