Why so many diesel-engined cars for sale?

colbarr · 11-10-2017 04:36AM #1

I'm looking to upgrade my car in the new year and I've been looking up used car websites for the past few weeks on and off to get an idea of whats out there. (I know it'll more than likely be different cars come the new year.) I've been filtering the search to only include saloon cars, 2010 and newer and under €10000. What I've noticed is, is that there seems to be an majority in favour of diesel cars for sale in that bracket. Is there any particular reason for this?

HonalD · 11-10-2017 04:56AM

They are currently banned from some urban areas and the UK is moving towards banning them so there's a glut of them on the market.

colbarr · 11-10-2017 05:02AM

Good to know, I'll add a new filter for fuel type then so!

colm_mcm · 11-10-2017 07:32AM

HonalD wrote: »

They are currently banned from some urban areas and the UK is moving towards banning them so there's a glut of them on the market.

That's a tad misleading.

Ash.J.Williams · 11-10-2017 07:42AM

Irish tax system has forced people to buy diesel cars and now the first generation are up for sale?

Ash.J.Williams · 11-10-2017 07:42AM

colbarr wrote: »

Good to know, I'll add a new filter for fuel type then so!

I'd look into that statement first

elperello · 11-10-2017 07:53AM

In the sector you are looking at the majority of sales new were diesels therefore the second hand market reflects that.

Nonoperational · 11-10-2017 07:55AM

HonalD wrote: »

They are currently banned from some urban areas and the UK is moving towards banning them so there's a glut of them on the market.

It’s gas how people post complete nonsense here as fact.

Kenny Logins · 11-10-2017 07:58AM

"Cheap tax" from 2008 and everybody went mad for daysel.

CiniO · 11-10-2017 08:40AM

HonalD wrote: »

They are currently banned from some urban areas and the UK is moving towards banning them so there's a glut of them on the market.

Can you point even one urban area where they are banned?

gctest50 · 11-10-2017 08:52AM

CiniO wrote: »

Can you point even one urban area where they are banned?

Not yet - soon though

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

grogi · 11-10-2017 08:53AM

colbarr wrote: »

What I've noticed is, is that there seems to be an majority in favour of diesel cars for sale in that bracket. Is there any particular reason for this?

Since 2008, the tax regime in Ireland heavily favours diesel cars.

Gorgeousgeorge · 11-10-2017 08:56AM

market saturated with ex fleet and company cars all of which are diesel. and the post 2008 cheap tax

dil999 · 11-10-2017 09:29AM

HonalD wrote: »

They are currently banned from some urban areas and the UK is moving towards banning them so there's a glut of them on the market.

Are you sure its not just you that's banned from some urban areas?

Its also unlikely the OP will be driving their car in central London

grogi · 11-10-2017 10:16AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Not yet - soon though

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

ULEZ is very very very central London, not really relevant to majority of motorist.

R.O.R · 11-10-2017 10:16AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Not yet - soon though

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

I'm not quite sure we were looking at the same thing, as this link says that all vehicles except Ultra Low Emissions vehicles, will have to pay an additional charge to drive in the centre of London (same area as the London congestion charges apply to).

That is a very long way from Diesels being banned.

grogi · 11-10-2017 10:17AM

R.O.R wrote: »

I'm not quite sure we were looking at the same thing, as this link says that all vehicles except Ultra Low Emissions vehicles, will have to pay an additional charge to drive in the centre of London (same area as the London congestion charges apply to).

That is a very long way from Diesels being banned.

Unfortunately it only one journalist looking for a headline that is needed to start a mass-hysteria.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8 · 11-10-2017 10:29AM

colbarr wrote:

Good to know, I'll add a new filter for fuel type then so!

Hope you're only looking for a small car because family sized cars from that era are predominately diesel. That's due to the tax incentive introduced in 2008 and nothing to do with diesels been banned.

grogi · 11-10-2017 10:45AM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

"Cheap tax" from 2008 and everybody went mad for daysel.

Cheap motortax, cheaper VRT and ability to deduct VAT for diesel. It would be mad to buy petrols for any kind of fleet, regardless of mileage they do.

elperello · 11-10-2017 10:51AM

If you buy a good diesel sub 10k now you should get value out of it before things get silly.
The biggest worry will be the revision of motor tax probably in 2019.

grogi · 11-10-2017 10:56AM

elperello wrote: »

If you buy a good diesel sub 10k now you should get value out of it before things get silly.
The biggest worry will be the revision of motor tax probably in 2019.

Any change made will be made only to newly registered cars. No government is suicidal...

bazz26 · 11-10-2017 12:28PM

You got to love some people's predictions - wild hysteria generated from saying they were going to screw diesel cars in this years budget. Nothing came of that so now same people are moving to predict the same in 2019. I suppose the law of averages state they are bound to be right one of these years.

Reality is that taxing motorists is a steady stream of revenue, won't matter what fuel or energy propels vehicles, they will continue to keep that steady stream flowing as that revenue goes towards the cost of the country's infrastructure. They will just shift the taxes to whatever becomes the popular/trendy choice at the time. People are deluded if they think they will be driving around in electric vehicles in years to come and cost them next to nothing to run.

elperello · 11-10-2017 01:11PM

bazz26 wrote: »

You got to love some people's predictions - wild hysteria generated from saying they were going to screw diesel cars in this years budget. Nothing came of that so now same people are moving to predict the same in 2019. I suppose the law of averages state they are bound to be right one of these years.

Reality is that taxing motorists is a steady stream of revenue, won't matter what fuel or energy propels vehicles, they will continue to keep that steady stream flowing as that revenue goes towards the cost of the country's infrastructure. They will just shift the taxes to whatever becomes the popular/trendy choice at the time. People are deluded if they think they will be driving around in electric vehicles in years to come and cost them next to nothing to run.

I didn't mention the budget at all.

I was referring to this -

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-resilient-energy-union-with-a-climate-change-policy/file-co2-emissions-standards-for-cars-and-vans

While it refers to new vehicles I just wouldn't trust our legislators not to do something silly for similar reasons you outline in your second paragraph.

Mr.H · 11-10-2017 01:53PM

Didn't the UK already mention that no new diesel or petrol cars will be built from 2030?

Hardly hysteria

Dravokivich · 11-10-2017 02:04PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Didn't the UK already mention that no new diesel or petrol cars will be built from 2030?

Hardly hysteria

Still not relevant to second hand market for 7 year old cars, especially in Ireland.

grogi · 11-10-2017 02:05PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Didn't the UK already mention that no new diesel or petrol cars will be built from 2030?

Hardly hysteria

Not only it is 12 years from now, it also applies to both petrol and diesel new cars. Nothing that should influence used diesel prices today.

If you buy new diesel now, it will be close to worthless in 12 years. Not because it is 2030, but because the car is already at its end of life.

Tails142 · 11-10-2017 02:11PM

If you look at sales figures for new cars which is available on the SIMI website you will see that the majority of cars sold were diesel, petrol engine sales fell off a cliff when the new tax system came in. Small petrol engines are making a come back in the last few years, but the reason why there are so few petrols in the secondhand market is because there were so few sold in the first place.

CalamariFritti · 11-10-2017 02:19PM

The reason why there are so many diesel cars for sale is there are so many diesel cars around. It basically reflects the diesel market share. It’s not like they all want to get rid of them.

bazz26 · 11-10-2017 05:23PM

elperello wrote: »

I didn't mention the budget at all.

I was referring to this -

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-resilient-energy-union-with-a-climate-change-policy/file-co2-emissions-standards-for-cars-and-vans

While it refers to new vehicles I just wouldn't trust our legislators not to do something silly for similar reasons you outline in your second paragraph.

I wasn't singling you out in particular.

Mr.H wrote: »

Didn't the UK already mention that no new diesel or petrol cars will be built from 2030?

Hardly hysteria

2030 is still a long way off and a lot can change between now and then so making lofty claims is easy but at the end of the day the political and economical landscapes do change which influence what is done. I've no doubt that the ICE is coming to the end of it's lifespan but there is going to no switch over overnight.

Remember that during the 1960s and 1970s when everyone was buzzing about the space race they claimed we would be living on the moon by the new millennium.

Shefwedfan · 11-10-2017 05:34PM

Ireland loves diesel. We buy them at a rate of 3:1....one of the highest rates of diesel purchases in Europe.

See graph here....http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Table_1_New_passenger_cars_by_type_of_engine_fuel,_2015.png

Ireland 3:1 and we are one of the smallest countries.

Uk nearly the same for diesel v petrol and they are a small bit bigger than us....

Reason for this is number of things...I could go into them but then daysel brigade would be onto me

Just have a read of a couple of threads on here and you will see the completely unrealistic ltr/100km people think they are getting out of there diesel......seems to be a lot of people in Ireland who are completely blind to anything but a diesel engine.....

Diesel is supposed to be used for long distance driving but I have seen recommendations to people who drive 20km a day to buy a diesel because it is cheap :-)

U_Fig · 11-10-2017 06:05PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ireland loves diesel. We buy them at a rate of 3:1....one of the highest rates of diesel purchases in Europe.

See graph here....http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/File:Table_1_New_passenger_cars_by_type_of_engine_fuel,_2015.png

Ireland 3:1 and we are one of the smallest countries.

Uk nearly the same for diesel v petrol and they are a small bit bigger than us....

Reason for this is number of things...I could go into them but then daysel brigade would be onto me

Just have a read of a couple of threads on here and you will see the completely unrealistic ltr/100km people think they are getting out of there diesel......seems to be a lot of people in Ireland who are completely blind to anything but a diesel engine.....

Diesel is supposed to be used for long distance driving but I have seen recommendations to people who drive 20km a day to buy a diesel because it is cheap :-)

It's quite frustrating at the moment looking for a used car, almost 80% of used cars 2012+ on done deal are diesel, I do not do enough millage really for to get the real benefit of Diesel but i am currently looking to buy a new car and will probably end up buying a diesel due to the fact that it is so hard to find a petrol car in the spec I want that is in good nick and not overpriced.

Other option is to buy from the UK and the hassle that goes along with it

Why so many diesel-engined cars for sale?

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