Perfectstorm wrote: »

Most associations have a clear set of rules about changing the constitution. Debate isn't enough if you don't get what ever % is needed to vote in favour.

Going to be an interesting agm.can any member go?

Rumours were that a rgc were thinking of leaving.

2/3 majority if I remember right to change an aspect of a constitution well that's what the Club im in says.

Any member can go, just turn up. Its cheaper bringing your own Popcorn and M+Ms than buying from the hotel.

As for leaving the NARGC, any County can leave, there is no fences stopping them. Im around long enough to remember the split in Kildare/Cork I also remember Clubs leaving and coming running back once they got rid of the Ego's on their Executive.

You can give out about the politics but you wont beat what the NARGC has to offer to clubs, there are some snake oil merchants out there pushing their wares and promising everything at no money but when its weighed up its pretty worthless...remember that when your trying to take a county away, ask yourself who actually will benefit.,,,it wont be the ordinary man in the Club, i can tell you that.

+Club of the year
+Pheasnt sub of 3.5k per county
+Vermon Comp
+Vermon subsidy for equipment
+ Game Crop
+ Proficiency course
+ Inter county shoot

and on and on.

Perfectstorm wrote: »

never heard of a 5k subsidy for pheasants before......my county gets maybe 3.5k for birds

my mistake each county gets €3,500 as a pheasant subsidy, vermin equipment to €1200 and game crop around 50% of the spend

as I said madness to take that away from clubs.

Perfectstorm wrote: »

cavan shooter wrote: »

my mistake each county gets €3,500 as a pheasant subsidy, vermin equipment to €1200 and game crop around 50% of the spend

as I said madness to take that away from clubs.

The best thing about thE nargc is the organised club structure that allows people not from farming /land owning /rural back rounds to practise and engage their our mutal love of the outdoors..people in towns and cities would have very limited access without the structure that was worked very well over the decades

Fek that lad...no townies allowed in our club must be local to he parish have ties to the parish work in the area go to 11 o clock mass and can whistle and chew meal.

cavan shooter wrote: »

Fek that lad...no townies allowed in our club must be local to he parish have ties to the parish work in the area go to 11 o clock mass and can whistle and chew meal.

Looking for a club outside Dublin as my own is shrinking year on year to housing.
Stayed in the Cavan Crystal hotel once, whats my chances?

Backbarrel wrote: »

Then I hear a Dublin club won one of the club of the year competitions..fair play but can you imagine rocking up to collect the prize if your county exec wants to leave!!.

Quote from said Dublin club.
"I am proud to announce that our club have won the all Ireland intermediate club of the year and will be presented with a trophy and cheque at nrgc agm in October "

@ Cavan Shooter I completely disagree with your point that somehow there are 5 'dissident RGC's' and that they had been pistol whipped. I have read justice Murphy's findings and it is clear that she 'pistol whipped' in very strong language the chairman and fellow exec for instigating the court case in the first place....her words are on record...go read them, a damning indictment and a complete waste of 90 k court costs.

sadly had anybody decided to read the rules and constitution of the NARGC it would as Justice Murphy found been a correctly called EGM that should /could have dealt with the issues of the RGC's, instead the NARGC is 90,000 euro worse off and you appear to laugh at the 5 RGC's who were totally vindicated.

Shame on the other RGC's who gave the 'pistol whipping' to the 5 RGC's... and not best pleased with you for not telling the complete picture...... share all the information, or stay quiet....

Backbarrel wrote: »

That opened the meetings up and was very healthy for the Association.

So for €90k what did the achieve on the day of the egm, really?

For the complete picture and all..

it may have broken the association.

oneshotonemiss wrote: »

@ Cavan Shooter I completely disagree with your point that somehow there are 5 'dissident RGC's' and that they had been pistol whipped. I have read justice Murphy's findings and it is clear that she 'pistol whipped' in very strong language the chairman and fellow exec for instigating the court case in the first place....her words are on record...go read them, a damning indictment and a complete waste of 90 k court costs.

sadly had anybody decided to read the rules and constitution of the NARGC it would as Justice Murphy found been a correctly called EGM that should /could have dealt with the issues of the RGC's, instead the NARGC is 90,000 euro worse off and you appear to laugh at the 5 RGC's who were totally vindicated.

Shame on the other RGC's who gave the 'pistol whipping' to the 5 RGC's... and not best pleased with you for not telling the complete picture...... share all the information, or stay quiet....

Sorry for not being around had night duties the weekend

Ok Perfoect Storm and oneshotonemiss let me try and explain this again for you

The NARGC had an interlocutory injunction served on them by the ND, the 5 counties wanted an EGM, the legal advise was don’t have the EGM something might be said out of anger/frustration that could be used against the NARGC in the dispute with the ND postpone it. The 5 counties were asked not to have the EGM until after the case was in court, they refused (Oh Gosh why would they do that??) The NARGC had no choice then but to injunct the EGM nobody is denying that the 5 counties couldn’t have one were not entitled to an EGM, the complaint is the pushing on to have one regardless of the consequences. It was the timing and boy did they get the timing wrong. It got nasty and with the in junction in place yes The NARGC was told that they could discuss anything without fear or favour in their meetings within reason of course…which was wonderful news as everyone was planking it that if they said something wrong the’d be in trouble.

The 5 counties were giving there EGM and at that EGM, they got pistol whipped, and roundly destroyed so much so they pulled there agenda as each time they looked to vote on something including a vote of no confidence in the National Chairman and the Executive they were defeated. As our county delegate said he felt sorry for the poor bastard that struggled to push an agenda that was never going to gain ground.

The question remains why did they continue to look for an EGM even after the NARGC legal people advised against it?? What purpose was it ever going to serve other than push it into another court case. If they loved the Constitution of the NARGC so much they would see that the EGM was not going to serve the NARGC any good and they should have waited.

This AGM next week will it is hoped finally put a stop to the 5, sorry 4 actually at this stage it could be 2 counties and there selfish run at trying to destroy the NARGC, an example of a “Nerobefehl” if ever there was one. If they want to leave as I hear their county executives do…but their clubs know nothing about then they can. The NARGC will live on and only get better and stronger, if they want to debate why we don’t support the Sports Coalition and want to put credence on the scurrilous complaint the SC lodged against the NARGC with the Gardai instead of condemning it with the utmost vigour, Then so be it, I look forward to our delegates reporting on how they again they got pistol whipped and butt kicked as they founder on their insightful resolutions.

cavan shooter wrote: »

As a fan of vintage tractors I know that sometimes you have to break them to fix them and bring them back cleaner/leaner/shinier and stronger, it takes elbow grease and some hard work.

its frequently easier to buy a half decent one and stick a zv plate on it..saves the elbows too

Perfectstorm wrote: »

cavan shooter wrote: »

As a fan of vintage tractors I know that sometimes you have to break them to fix them and bring them back cleaner/leaner/shinier and stronger, it takes elbow grease and some hard work.

its frequently easier to buy a half decent one and stick a zv plate on it..saves the elbows too

No your being blinded by a quick fix.
Some argue the same with gun dogs... However its far better to put the work in and build trust.....with a full grown dog that was someine elses master you have to work the bad habit's out.

Sparks wrote: »

Such is the nature of the Defamation Act. It is not the most convenient piece of legislation in this country.


Are you suggesting that the delegates - every single last one of them - is a professional NARGC delegate with training in the specifics of the Defamation Act?
I'm curious - how much did all of that training cost and how much do you pay the delegates for each meeting (after all, they are professionals, they can't be professionals if you don't pay them...)

you would have to ask the treasurer i dont know the answer.

i did not intend to suggest that their individual professions on which their income depends is that of "professional delegate"


i am suggesting that the delegates, with a wide range of experience in their education,employment, life, sports etc, who provide oversight/policy formation/financial review/who seek to influence legislation might reasonably be expected to have a wide grasp of how to conduct the activities in a business like fashion...in a professional manner.

So in a nutshell the representatives of 5 RGC'S called for an egm. The egm was in direct opposition to the interests of the NARGC and its members. Those calling it had a list of questions and they did not even finish asking all of them.
There was nothing untoward discovered by the EGM. It cost the NARGC members somewhere in the region of 90 to 100k and no one is to be held responsible?
The 5 RGC,S involved should pay the fees or account for the actions of their delegates