1 in 4 social houses refused. Homeless crisis on arse.

Wheeliebin30 · 08-10-2017 09:31PM

Gatling wrote: »

So apparently people will only take apartments if they are middle floors.
Didn't like the interior splash of paint lazy sods

"Their reasons included them being too big or too small, apartments being on the ground floor or too high and the paper reports that some have also said they disliked the interior"

But I'm making all this up of course.

People aren't refusing for silly reasons.

enricoh · 08-10-2017 09:33PM

Homeless quangos getting as much airtime as possible before the budget to get a bigger slice of dough for themselves.
Sinn fein/ aaa etc wanting 50000 social housing units built or some such crap.
Therefore Fianna fail says we'll have to steal their thunder and demand fianna gael throw a hape of dough at it.
There goes your tax cut in the budget!
Oh and we'll also increase social welfare, the back to school allowance went up, they lengthened the fuel allowance last year and the Christmas bonus is going up apparently!

And at the same time Leo tells us he wants to look after the people who get up n go to work in the morning! Nice words Leo, ta

colm_mcm · 08-10-2017 09:33PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

3 choices of home and 3 choices of area.

Unbelievable.

Well it puts a different spin on the story,

stevek93 · 08-10-2017 09:34PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

The issue of homeless accommodation being turned down isn't as black and white as people like to think it is. Personally I have no time for people who'll turn it down because the garden doesn't face south or something. But if you're being offered something two doors down from the local drug dealer or in an obviously rough area, why would you take it?

You have the choice of 3 various locations around Dublin if you pick a Dody area for example the inner North of Dublin city it's your own fault. Pick the area you want to live in wisely.

Kevwoody · 08-10-2017 09:38PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Oh of course homeless charities and their ceos on 100k a week have nothing to gain by exaggerating the situation.

100k a week? Pretty fond of the old exaggerating yourself

BillyBobBS · 08-10-2017 09:38PM

A social housing bashing thread, well fcuk me this is a first on boards.

Spanish Eyes · 08-10-2017 09:40PM

Someone somewhere needs to define what "homeless" really means now.

It is definitely not someone sleeping on the streets anyway is it? And I just want to add that I have every sympathy with street sleepers, but sometimes that is a choice they make. Jonathon Corry was one of them, RIP and there are many others too.

The definition of homeless is wide. And we are all sucked into the charity spiel.

If all those in need of housing were sorted tomorrow the homeless charities would be defunct. But do they want to be defunct at all? What will happen to their cash reserves and the highly paid CEOs then I often ask myself?

It is a gravy train. Nuff said. No one is without a roof over their heads unless that is their choice.

08-10-2017 09:40PM

I have two friends who are currently looking for homes. One is a masters degree candidate working for one of the big four, the other is working for google. They cant find one. Both have slept on my couch for a night or two, because it was my couch or beneath a bridge.

Stop thinking that the homeless are drug addicts and alcoholics. I have two educated, working friends unable to find a home. Dont let the few scroungers colour your judgement.

I was on a conversation on Facebook and one woman said "there's no housing crisis. Ive had my box room on daft for weeks and no one replied". Turns out she only wanted people 4 nights a week. For 150 a week.

People need houses. If you think there's no housing crisis, try looking for somewhere to live.

Wheeliebin30 · 08-10-2017 09:40PM

BillyBobBS wrote: »

A social housing bashing thread, well fcuk me this is a first on boards.

Wonder why there is so many wouldn't you?

Wheeliebin30 · 08-10-2017 09:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have two friends who are currently looking for homes. One is a masters degree candidate working for one of the big four, the other is working for google. They cant find one. Both have slept on my couch for a night or two, because it was my couch or beneath a bridge.

Stop thinking that the homeless are drug addicts and alcoholics. I have two educated, working friends unable to find a home. Dont let the few scroungers colour your judgement.

I was on a conversation on Facebook and one woman said "there's no housing crisis. Ive had my box room on daft for weeks and no one replied". Turns out she only wanted people 4 nights a week. For 150 a week.

People need houses. If you think there's no housing crisis, try looking for somewhere to live.

They can't rent a room for 600 a month and they work for the big 4 as you put it with a masters degree?

I call bs on this one.

08-10-2017 09:48PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

They can't rent a room for 600 a month and they work for the big 4 as you put it with a masters degree?

I call bs on this one.

The room that was 600 was 4 nights a week. Where do you put your stuff and you know, sleep, the other 3 nights?

This isnt about either of them not affording accommodation, its there about there being none available.

Wheeliebin30 · 08-10-2017 09:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The room that was 600 was 4 nights a week. Where do you put your stuff and you know, sleep, the other 3 nights?

This isnt about either of them not affording accommodation, its there about there being none available.

No I'm talking about plenty of rooms available to rent at the moment.

http://www.rent.ie/rooms-to-rent/dublin/lucan/

Here you go. Even rooms for 500 a month in there.

Your friends will thank you.

dadad231 · 08-10-2017 09:51PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You wouldn't keep a dog in some of those dumps let alone raise children

Yeah and it doesn't help that lots of these wasters on the waiting list are expecting their 5th child and continue to live irresponsibly.

Some of us have to work and pay for our lifestyles, this is unsustainable this hand out mentality.

Subcomandante Marcos · 08-10-2017 09:55PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

The issue of homeless accommodation being turned down isn't as black and white as people like to think it is. Personally I have no time for people who'll turn it down because the garden doesn't face south or something. But if you're being offered something two doors down from the local drug dealer or in an obviously rough area, why would you take it?

I know a disabled man who uses a power wheelchair who was offered a first floor flat on a building with no elevator.

Some offers are not tenable for the recipients.

gctest50 · 08-10-2017 09:56PM

It'd be misleading - just so they can make some sort of headline out of it

Same houses being turned down by everyone

"Don't like the interior" ~ gtf don't like living near black mold

corner of hells · 08-10-2017 09:59PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Rick Shaw wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there is you know.

No there isn't.

We have one of the lowest homeless figures is Europe and even at that, I doubt most of these people are actually homeless.

Sure anyone can just register themselves as homeless nowadays.

Leave the family home at 18, saying no room or some ****e and suddenly your homeless.

What a joke.

It's not that simple to present and register as homeless.A Housing Needs Assessment is completed with a decision made around what type of priority you are given , i.e. you can be homeless with a medical priority for example or say your status may be different if youre disabled and so on.You may not meet the criteria to be registered as homeless , different from registering for social housing too.

Then you're encouraged if you need a bed to ring the freephone.This along with interactions with outreach teams is where you appear in the system as homeless.
It's not just a matter of rocking up to your local authhority and saying I'm homeless.

Gatling · 08-10-2017 10:01PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Same houses being turned down by everyone

"Don't like the interior" ~ gtf don't like living near black mold

Apparently no not turned down my every one and no mention of black mould

08-10-2017 10:05PM

The OP, and the issue, are getting genuine homelessness mixed up with benefit maximisation/entitlement.

The two are separate issues, even if they can have common subsets.

I meet/interact with/listen to people living rough on the streets of Dublin. These people find it all but impossible to get on the dole because they have no fixed address to write on the application. A social house, and the other benefits which would accompany it, would be like a jackpot to these people. I don't see them turning down permanent residence because "they didn't like the interior". These are the real homeless, of which we have many in the country and it's unfair to use this vague Newstalk article to absolutely discount their plight.

What the article describes to me are people who know the system all too well. Growing up in a working class rural town, I was familiar with people on social housing waiting lists. Some of them were not doing too bad at all in life, and I remember comments such as "They (the council) have their shíte if they think I'm taking a house in that dump". "That dump" would have been a perfectly adequate new build on a new development, but just not the small palace in the new shiny, private estate which the whole town wanted to live in.

Maybe it might suit people in positions of power that we the public are getting these issues confused and screaming each other down in the meantime. However, I fail to see how the article in the OP is any grounds to declare that "There is no homeless crisis". It barely relates to the problem at all, and merely alludes to an underbelly, in the minority, who exploit it and distract from it.

fussyonion · 08-10-2017 10:09PM

There's a girl on Facebook who's blind and has a guide dog. She's homeless and sleeps rough every night all over Dublin.

She's been assaulted and treated terribly and has written to TD's and sought the help of the numerous charities out there but says nobody wants to help her.

I felt so sorry for her and wondered why she hadn't been housed if she was this vulnerable.

Then I heard from someone who works for a homeless charity and said this girl has been homeless for 20 YEARS.

She said "she has her own issues and we've tried to help her" and that's all she said on the matter.

So it got me thinking that there had to be more to the story than she was making out but I didn't pry.

The people who are in hotels and B&B's and refusing houses because it doesn't have a garden or it's not near their mothers; these people are being too fussy and don't deserve a home.

BillyBobBS · 08-10-2017 10:32PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Wonder why there is so many wouldn't you?

Oh believe me Wheelie i know why.

Snotty · 08-10-2017 10:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have two friends who are currently looking for homes. One is a masters degree candidate working for one of the big four, the other is working for google. They cant find one. Both have slept on my couch for a night or two, because it was my couch or beneath a bridge.

Stop thinking that the homeless are drug addicts and alcoholics. I have two educated, working friends unable to find a home. Dont let the few scroungers colour your judgement.

I was on a conversation on Facebook and one woman said "there's no housing crisis. Ive had my box room on daft for weeks and no one replied". Turns out she only wanted people 4 nights a week. For 150 a week.

People need houses. If you think there's no housing crisis, try looking for somewhere to live.

I slept in the car one night when I forgot my key, I'm about as homeless as your two muppet friends.
They can find the house they WANT in the AREA they want, they are not homeless.

The resources that exist today could probably help the actual homeless, but because we have a housing crisis also, we have all these wasters (and I don't mean the two above) who jump on the bandwagon to get the house they are "entitled to" quicker

riclad · 08-10-2017 10:54PM

Are you paying rent,
rents in dublin and other citys, are very high because of the lack of new building since 2008.
We need about 20 thousand house,s built per year.
There,s maybe a few thousand house,s being built.
We need one bed units for single people and more apartments being built .
to say the crisis does not exist because some people turned down
an offer of housing is ridiculous.
Theres 1000,s of people living in hotels for years.
a hotel is not designed for children to live in for years .
I can see many foreign companys not coming to ireland because we do not have
a properly functioning rental market.

The government says it will buy 1000,s of houses ,
wheres the real plan for this.
We need a 10 year plan for housing.
Or else young people will be left paying high rents and
maybe being unable to buy a house as prices rise dues to lack of supply.

Ursus Horribilis · 08-10-2017 11:02PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I know a disabled man who uses a power wheelchair who was offered a first floor flat on a building with no elevator.

Some offers are not tenable for the recipients.

And this is exactly why we can't just tar everyone with the one brush. We need to know more about what sort of accommodation is being offered to people and why they're turning it down.

Spanish Eyes · 08-10-2017 11:08PM

fussyonion wrote: »

There's a girl on Facebook who's blind and has a guide dog. She's homeless and sleeps rough every night all over Dublin.

Then I heard from someone who works for a homeless charity and said this girl has been homeless for 20 YEARS.

She said "she has her own issues and we've tried to help her" and that's all she said on the matter.

This is why the term "homeless" is just so wrong. There are too many people included in the stats now without any filter.

Grandeeod · 08-10-2017 11:12PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What a joke.

"Of the 1,009 houses offered to people on the waiting list last year, 300 applicants turned them down or didn't respond to the offer"

Sense of entitlement is killing this country. There is no homeless crisis. Just people jumping the q by going homeless to get their free gaff near their favourite pub and bookies.

http://www.newstalk.com/One-in-four-Dublin-social-homes-reportedly-rejected-49263

Sinn feins daithi on the defensive of course.

There is an element of truth in what you are saying, but just like the typical AHs Dole threads, certain types of people exist and distort the opinion of those that believe they single handedly pay for all of it. I come from a working family and I've been self employed since leaving college 24 years ago. A pain in the bollox really. Needed help at certain times during those years and got it. So did my parents when they needed it. But a homeless crisis does exist and there are actually people relying on the dole that are genuine. I suggest you try not to let the few pricks that are born to bleed the system sway your view on the real reality of those that actually deserve help.

Tigger · 08-10-2017 11:27PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I was homeless myself 4 years ago for 8 months cost me my place in university I'm still dealing with the health implications to this day so shut the hell up about there being no crisis until it has effected you or yours shut the hell up.

were you sleepng on the streets ?

Klonker · 08-10-2017 11:32PM

It can't be to expensive to build and run dry homeless shelters can it? there can't be more than 500 actual homeless people in Ireland would there? If they are drug addicts or alcoholics well I'm sorry but there is only so much the state can do for you.

On people looking for council houses, we just can't afford to keep housing these people who take no responsibility for their own actions, popping out 5 kids from the same father but are somehow "single", are the f*ck. I would love to here someone in government actually have the balls to speak out against this sort of thing but I can't see it.

A normal working couple may not be able to buy in their preferred location or have as many children as they would like due to financial restraints but a lot of people on council waiting lists are picking there location and popping out a bunch of children and it's just not a fair system, if you can't support the children you have don't have more!

Of course there are genuine cases and there needs to be a safety net for people and I've no problem for people who are trying and have fell on hard times to be helped.

Anyway I dont know what the solution is as even if some people are irresponsible and work adverse the government can't just let them and their children go homeless but they need to try to something to punish, yes punish these people for their selfish behaviour like taking larger and larger % of their welfare/income if they are not actively trying to improve their situation.

Allinall · 08-10-2017 11:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The room that was 600 was 4 nights a week. Where do you put your stuff and you know, sleep, the other 3 nights?

This isnt about either of them not affording accommodation, its there about there being none available.

Where's their "stuff" now?

08-10-2017 11:39PM

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

And this is exactly why we can't just tar everyone with the one brush. We need to know more about what sort of accommodation is being offered to people and why they're turning it down.

There was one in Cork (was on the papers/radio down here) that turned a house down as the garden wouldn't fit the kids trampoline in....If there aren't legitimate reasons - then they shouldn't get a second chance (like the trampoline example)

Ursus Horribilis · 08-10-2017 11:54PM

Livia Wide Signal wrote: »

There was one in Cork (was on the papers/radio down here) that turned a house down as the garden wouldn't fit the kids trampoline in....If there aren't legitimate reasons - then they shouldn't get a second chance (like the trampoline example)

That's fair enough. But you can't put stories like this in the same bracket as a wheelchair user being expected to live in a first floor flat when there's no lift. We need to know what sort of accommodation is being offered to people and why they are turning it down. It might mean taking some unsuitable accommodation off the list altogether. It might mean penalising people who are chancing their arms and being too fussy. But it is a complex issue.

1 in 4 social houses refused. Homeless crisis on arse.

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