HSE Job Evaluation

stargazer 68 · 26-07-2017 12:29pm #1

Has anyone completed the job evaluation application for the HSE clerical grades III to VI?

Just looking at it and its 20 pages long and seems to have to be signed off by everyone and their grannies before it can even be submitted.

Everytime I go to get started filling it in the sheer volume of info needed puts me off - maybe that's the idea!

Nonni71 · 09-08-2017 9:41pm

Hi can someone be so kind and to tel me how can I apply for a clerical officer job with Hse/ saolta. I am on public jobs.ie but did not get any email I know the campaign for 2017 is complete I think anyone with any info on this u would appreciate . Thanks

Cherry Blossom · 09-08-2017 10:31pm

HSE jobs are advertised on the HBS Recruitment website.

red ears · 10-08-2017 2:06pm

A family member filled it out. Took about 6 weeks just doing bits and pieces. It doesn't seem to be something you can just do quickly. They submitted it months ago and I don't think they heard anything back yet.

stargazer 68 · 10-08-2017 2:21pm

red ears wrote: »

A family member filled it out. Took about 6 weeks just doing bits and pieces. It doesn't seem to be something you can just do quickly. They submitted it months ago and I don't think they heard anything back yet.

I believe it's currently on hold but those who have already submitted it will be the first to be reviewed.

Donnachain1 · 03-10-2017 1:47pm

Hi Everyone, It took me about 9 months on and off to get mine complete. They were sent to Naas about 4 months ago and not a dicky bird since. I have sent numerous emails to the job evaluation email and they are so vague. They will not tell me how the process is being run or how they will manage the forms that they have received already. Very frustrating.

It is just an email. No names and no phone number. The unions are obviously sitting on their hands because they havent chased it up.

Dovies it is a nightmare of a form to complete I think that is their aim though to turn people off it so they wont have to deal with them!!
That is why it took me so long to do it I did a small section at a time. do the easy bits first and come back to it again to add more.

The world and its mother needs to sign it then to prove you do what you say you do. very tough form. I think anyone who completes it deserves an upgrade lol

stargazer 68 · 03-10-2017 4:13pm

Yep I keep looking at it and closing it down! My manager has no problem signing it but it's when it goes higher up that the wheels are going to fall off. That person is definitely going to leave it in their 'to do at some point' pile!!

Donnachain1 · 03-10-2017 4:18pm

Sure stick it in if you are entitled to the upgrade why wouldnt you go for it. Even if you chip away at it a bit at a time.

stargazer 68 · 03-10-2017 4:22pm

Donnachain1 wrote: »

Sure stick it in if you are entitled to the upgrade why wouldnt you go for it. Even if you chip away at it a bit at a time.

Oh I'm definitely entitled. Already doing stuff at grade 5 level!

Braids · 11-01-2018 8:22pm

I've applied also almost a year ago from the South Dublin area. Has anyone around the country received notice that they were upgraded yet? Curious to know if it's just Dublin applications that are slow or all over? TAH!

Donnachain1 · 11-01-2018 8:28pm

Braids wrote: »

I've applied also almost a year ago from the South Dublin area. Has anyone around the country received notice that they were upgraded yet? Curious to know if it's just Dublin applications that are slow or all over? TAH!

Hey Braids, Mine went in 7 months ago and still nothing! I'm starting to get peed off now to be honest. When u email the job eval email they are so vague and tell u nothing. Don't even know what process they are following. Is it first come first deal with. Have they different evaluators for different areas who know cause they tell us nothing. Do u know many people from it off who have applied.

stargazer 68 · 11-01-2018 8:53pm

Our HR dept said that it was still on hold. No forms are currently being evaluated - that is why they are being so vague.

Braids · 12-01-2018 11:27pm

Braids wrote: »

I've applied also almost a year ago from the South Dublin area. Has anyone around the country received notice that they were upgraded yet? Curious to know if it's just Dublin applications that are slow or all over? TAH!

Don't have any news either. Have you been in contact with your Branch Rep? Anyone else still waiting out there?! Any results Galway? Clare) Limerick Laois outside Dublin?

Ribbonss · 05-03-2018 9:46pm

Just wondering if anyone has got any information since on the delightful form!!? It's a joke that nothing is being done yet ..it's like the applications have just vanished!

Siobhan888 · 05-03-2018 11:04pm

[quotei="Braids;105822651"]Don't have any news either. Have you been in contact with your Branch Rep? Anyone else still waiting out there?! Any results Galway? Clare) Limerick Laois outside Dublin?[/quote]no response in Longford Westmeath area

Siobhan888 · 05-03-2018 11:07pm

has anyone had an interview in Longford Westmeath area?

Donnachain1 · 06-03-2018 11:26pm

Havent heard a thing. Beyond a joke at this stage tbh! Unions dont seem to give a crap as they arent doing anything. People need to start complaining to management and their unions. One of my managers said it could be nother year before we hear.

stargazer 68 · 07-03-2018 9:49am

Unions have no interest in it. Have tried to get them in but they are too busy! However when another department calls them, not clerical, they can't come in fast enough!

Donnachain1 · 07-03-2018 9:51am

Youre so right Dovies. I feel like it was any other grade of staff there would be war over it. So frustrating. Alot of ppl nesd to make a fuss for them to care. It is such a sham.

Ribbonss · 15-03-2018 10:51am

Such a sham it makes my blood boil covering a higher grade since a retirement in our office 4 years ago and still no recognition for it...no job satisfaction whatsoever.
Has anyone tried to email them or is it a waste of time?

Donnachain1 · 15-03-2018 10:59am

Email the only way it will move any faster is if people start asking why is nothing happening. They do answer. They are looking at clerical officers first so if ur a 4 or 5 and put ur application in 2 years ago and a 3 puts it in today they will be seen before u. As there is no closing date the 3s will go on forever.

Ribbonss · 15-03-2018 11:09am

Thanks for that Donnachain...they are going to be getting a lot of weekly emails from me from now on.

stargazer 68 · 15-03-2018 1:10pm

Donnachain1 wrote: »

Email the only way it will move any faster is if people start asking why is nothing happening. They do answer. They are looking at clerical officers first so if ur a 4 or 5 and put ur application in 2 years ago and a 3 puts it in today they will be seen before u. As there is no closing date the 3s will go on forever.

Problem here is we can't get it past our HR department

Donnachain1 · 15-03-2018 1:11pm

Dovies wrote: »

Problem here is we can't get it past our HR department

You cant be serious why not?

stargazer 68 · 15-03-2018 1:18pm

Donnachain1 wrote: »

You cant be serious why not?

As far as we can tell any that have been submitted to them are still sitting there as the process is 'on hold'. They don't want to have to upgrade us and pay more out of their budget

Donnachain1 · 15-03-2018 1:21pm

Dovies wrote: »

As far as we can tell any that have been submitted to them are still sitting there as the process is 'on hold'. They don't want to have to upgrade us and pay more out of their budget

Get on to the Unions thats madness.

Ribbonss · 15-03-2018 1:47pm

Its complete madness- Job Evaluation are the new buzz words thrown around by management as the only way to get recognition yet job evaluation isint even happening!

Siobhan888 · 17-03-2018 4:15pm

It would be great to hear of at least one grade 111 who got their permanent IV via the job evaluation scheme recently

Shane Fitz · 31-03-2018 10:58pm

Remeber guys it's the post that they are evaluating not the person.. you may end up having to apply for the job you are already g doing when they regularise the post.

stargazer 68 · 04-04-2018 11:55am

Started filling it in - the layout is pants though. Whatever way its set up the boxes just aren't easy to fill in

Jules_G · 10-04-2018 8:07am

Dovies wrote: »

Started filling it in - the layout is pants though. Whatever way its set up the boxes just aren't easy to fill in

Where can I get the form? Can someone post a link to it please as I can't seem to find it

stargazer 68 · 10-04-2018 9:50am

Jules_G wrote: »

Where can I get the form? Can someone post a link to it please as I can't seem to find it

Hope this works

https://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/leadership-education-development/job-evaluation-scheme-2016/

Donnachain1 · 14-05-2018 2:22pm

http://forsatradeunion.newsweaver.com/designtest/u6clrwf0apca5dnbi4rcm8?email=true&a=1&p=53340486&t=30058730

Did you see this? "Hundreds of applications have already been assessed, many of which have resulted in an upgrading." BS!

Does anyone know where these hunderds of applications are because I know it isnt the West!! I'll be waiting a year next month. I've been told could be another 9 months at least waiting. I wouldnt mind if it was backpaid.

I think it's time people starting putting pressure on their HR departments because they are really pulling the pee!

has anyone at all got an answer yet?

stargazer 68 · 15-06-2018 9:50am

Form has been signed off by my Grade V and then Grade VIII. Been sent to HR and got an email this morning to say it is being put forward for processing! Now see how that goes.
Amazing how much you actually do when you have to write it all down - even the boss was impressed lol

El Weirdo · 15-06-2018 3:38pm

Are applications still being accepted?

stargazer 68 · 15-06-2018 5:23pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Are applications still being accepted?

Yes it's on going.

Braids · 28-06-2018 8:32pm

Quite a few applicants apparently filled out the on-line JES form available when the Scheme launched in Sept 2016.
Unfortunately many of these were sent back in the past months for additions missing e.g. home address/email etc.
We hear ours have now been sent back to the Evaluation Office. Anyone receiving upgrades directly OR via interview yet in the East?

Cypresstree · 29-08-2018 2:21pm

Hi Everyone,

I submitted my JES application in November 2017, contacted them in February 2018 for an update, was told that they were processing September 17 applications at that point.

I have since emailed every month... and it appears that they are still processing September 2017! 6 months later!! :eek:

Has anyone made any progress?

KR

Donnachain1 · 29-08-2018 2:29pm

Hi Cypres, I submitted mine last June (I am a Grade 4) there are nearly 200 gone from our organisation alone and only 30 people have gotten a response in a over a YEAR. I am starting to get pissed off there is no back pay for the wait if u are upgraded. They seem to be interviewing everyone as well. What happened to paper based exercise. It was like a 20 page form I thought it was based on points system anyway nearly 15 months later here I am still waiting!! Unions are useless. People need to start complaining.

Cypresstree · 29-08-2018 2:50pm

The Application form is actually soul destroying!! I cant even get a contact number for them!
It is bad form. I know of a couple of guys here who got upgraded from a 3 to a 6, and another from a 3 to a 5!
One other girl has just had her interview! And she applied the same time as me.

Donnachain1 · 29-08-2018 2:55pm

It took me 9 months to do it. I had to keep going away from it nightmare. They dont have a number there is no phone for them they only do email and it always replies with a generic response. It take ages to get back. I emailed for a timeframe as to how much longer I will be waiting. They cant say!! They are so vague. It is a joke.

Wow 3 to 6!!!!! Did u heard anything back about how hard the interview was?

Did ur friend have a letter from a 3rd party mediation that she was seen first. They seem to do it sporadically.

Cypresstree · 29-08-2018 2:56pm

General consensus is that the interview was fine, just questioning about the information in the application form etc., and if anything had changed since the time of submission etc.

stargazer 68 · 29-08-2018 3:04pm

Do they acknowledge receipt of the form? I don't even know if HR have sent it on.

Cypresstree · 29-08-2018 3:06pm

I don't think so. You need to check with HR that they sent it on to the next level up for signing!

stargazer 68 · 29-08-2018 3:32pm

Cypresstree wrote: »

I don't think so. You need to check with HR that they sent it on to the next level up for signing!

What annoys me is we didn't even need to send it to HR. Our manager is a grade 8 and signed it. Could have just sent it on to the HSE myself!

Cypresstree · 29-08-2018 3:34pm

Apparently it has to go to regional level for sign off and then national HR sign off... there are extra forms and cover sheets that are attached to it at each level.
Seriously though, get confirmation that it has left your HR Dept!!!

backspin. · 29-08-2018 7:54pm

Cypresstree wrote: »

General consensus is that the interview was fine, just questioning about the information in the application form etc., and if anything had changed since the time of submission etc.

What happens if your work does change in the timeframe. It looks like a possible 2 year wait at this stage so people's job may change a little or even a lot.

stargazer 68 · 29-11-2018 1:50pm

Cypresstree wrote: »

Apparently it has to go to regional level for sign off and then national HR sign off... there are extra forms and cover sheets that are attached to it at each level.
Seriously though, get confirmation that it has left your HR Dept!!!

Back again! As of Oct the form was still sitting in HR! Going to follow it up again later and see if it is still there!

Effaat · 19-12-2018 12:39am

Did any of you actually get upgraded yet?

Donnachain1 · 20-12-2018 2:30pm

So I recently got called for my JE interview after 18 months of waiting.
I'm just waiting on the result now but wont hear til after Christmas. I know a lot of people who have gotten upgraded so far.

Effaat · 22-12-2018 1:12am

Great stuff . . . Best of luck with your result!! Supposedly they have more assessors coming on board in the New Year . . . So to any of ye that have applied keep the faith!

HSE Job Evaluation

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