Could you live in a world without computers?

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-09-2017 10:00PM

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tomwaterford · 30-09-2017 10:00PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Computers do all that :rolleyes:

Yas...airbags,anti skid and abs....all computers

Electronic injection produces infinely more feul efficent engines (air/fuel ratios,hence the much loathed oxygen sensors)....which by natural conclusion can lead to faster cars??

I would've taught this would be basic info tbh??

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2017 10:00PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Nowhere near the standred of modern cars,safer,smoother,more efficently run??

No, but they still worked and got us from A to B. So we could survive with cars without computer assistance.

KERSPLAT! · 30-09-2017 10:03PM

Good damn it, that fake Stephen Hawking joke was really funny. Did no one see it or what's the craic. Sort yourselves out AH.

KERSPLAT! · 30-09-2017 10:04PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

People just used their brains

Whatever they did it was much more difficult without computers, which was my point.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2017 10:04PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Good damn it, that fake Stephen Hawking joke was really funny. Did no one see it or what's the craic. Sort yourselves out AH.

I was laughing so much I couldn't click the thanks.

KERSPLAT! · 30-09-2017 10:06PM

Addisyn Rough Logging wrote: »

I was laughing so much I couldn't click the thanks.

Knew there was a reasonable explanation

Carry · 30-09-2017 10:09PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I can't imagine how much harder it was studying for degrees, masters, doctorates, etc. before widespread usage of the internet. Nightmare compared to now.

Na, it's not a nightmare. It is/was actually much more challenging and hence satisfying - sitting in a library and actually read books you won't find quoted or even mentioned on the internet and which you have to find in the first place is a joy. But maybe that's just me.
Besides, all the research you do over the internet is - at least in academia - more or less a rehash of the same.

Sam Kade · 30-09-2017 10:10PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Yas...airbags,anti skid and abs....all computers

Electronic injection produces infinely more feul efficent engines (air/fuel ratios,hence the much loathed oxygen sensors)....which by natural conclusion can lead to faster cars??

I would've taught this would be basic info tbh??

Funny, mpg has only increased marginally over the years. By now we should have cars doing close to 100 mpg.

snowflaker · 30-09-2017 10:10PM

Permabear · 30-09-2017 10:10PM

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The Backwards Man · 30-09-2017 10:11PM

Pubs would be filled with people shite again.

Sam Kade · 30-09-2017 10:11PM

Addisyn Rough Logging wrote: »

I was laughing so much I couldn't click the thanks.

Jaysus, you swallow that Hawking sh1t too

30-09-2017 10:11PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Your average car contains 10-15 mini computers/ecu.....hope you've a descent bike to get about

And don't forget going up the hills as well

KERSPLAT! · 30-09-2017 10:12PM

Carry wrote: »

Na, it's not a nightmare. It is/was actually much more challenging and hence satisfying - sitting in a library and actually read books you won't find quoted or even mentioned on the internet and which you have to find in the first place is a joy. But maybe that's just me.
Besides, all the research you do over the internet is - at least in academia - more or less a rehash of the same.

I've the height of respect for anyone with a PhD, even more so those that did it without the internet. Fair play

30-09-2017 10:15PM

Carry wrote: »

Na, it's not a nightmare. It is/was actually much more challenging and hence satisfying - sitting in a library and actually read books you won't find quoted or even mentioned on the internet and which you have to find in the first place is a joy. But maybe that's just me.
Besides, all the research you do over the internet is - at least in academia - more or less a rehash of the same.

I'm as bookish as the next man (in year 4 of Phd) but you need to ditch those rose tinted glasses. Anyone I speak to that researched back in the day extols the value of the internet. And your comment about academic research over the internet being a 'rehash of the same' is nonsense tbh.

30-09-2017 10:16PM

Addisyn Rough Logging wrote: »

We had to come up with a lot of our own ideas, phraseology, and hypotheses based on our lectures, library reading and research.

We still have to do all that. Or that's how I spend my time anyway

Permabear · 30-09-2017 10:17PM

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tomwaterford · 30-09-2017 10:19PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Funny, mpg has only increased marginally over the years. By now we should have cars doing close to 100 mpg.

It's increased 6 fold since the 70s??
(Going by what we were taught anyways)

A 1.6 petrol in the 70s vs 2017 is miles apart in effectiency (despite the 4 stroke engine being v.inefficent)

But sure look....you head out and work away with a spluttery troublesome carb ,if that's what your happy with

30-09-2017 10:26PM

Permabear wrote: »

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For me, it's not heavy use. 85/90% is online. I'm faculty in one uni and part-time Phd in another, so plenty of access fortunately

Carry · 30-09-2017 10:31PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I've the height of respect for anyone with a PhD, even more so those that did it without the internet. Fair play

Me too. I don't have a PhD, just a MA. It shows my age that I did it without the internet. There was no internet.

My highest respect though goes to my ex-partner who did his PhD (summa cum laude) as a mature student without the internet, just because he refused to use a computer (he was a bit of luddite). He mainly used his brain to think for himself.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2017 10:32PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I've the height of respect for anyone with a PhD, even more so those that did it without the internet. Fair play

Why, thank you very much!

30-09-2017 10:35PM

Carry wrote: »

Me too. I don't have a PhD, just a MA. It shows my age that I did it without the internet. There was no internet.

My highest respect though goes to my ex-partner who did his PhD (summa cum laude) as a mature student without the internet, just because he refused to use a computer (he was a bit of luddite). He mainly used his brain to think for himself.

That is impressive, although I don't get why someone would equate internet usage with not thinking for yourself. I get the article online, print it (maybe I'm the Luddite!) and then I am done with the online element. I will be using my brain just like your ex-partner did. The internet doesn't read the article for you?

sunny2004 · 30-09-2017 10:37PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Not nowadays to meet emissions regulations you wont

Wouldn't you need a computer to read the emissions ?

Carry · 30-09-2017 10:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm as bookish as the next man (in year 4 of Phd) but you need to ditch those rose tinted glasses. Anyone I speak to that researched back in the day extols the value of the internet. And your comment about academic research over the internet being a 'rehash of the same' is nonsense tbh.

No. It's not nonsense and I don't wear rose tinted glasses as a principle. Google (or any other search engine) is selective, you still need to do analog research, if you take your studies seriously.

And as I mentioned in an earlier comment: Life (and studying) is certainly easier with the internet, I wouldn't want to live without it, but you need to have the brains to know that not everything on the internet is valuable or reliable.

30-09-2017 10:40PM

Carry wrote: »

No. It's not nonsense and I don't wear rose tinted glasses as a principle. Google (or any other search engine) is selective, you still need to do analog research, if you take your studies seriously.

And as I mentioned in an earlier comment: Life (and studying) is certainly easier with the internet, I wouldn't want to live without it, but you need to have the brains to know that not everything on the internet is valuable or reliable.

Never said I don't do analog research. Nor did I say that I think everything online is valuable or reliable. But never mind.

Permabear · 30-09-2017 10:40PM

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Sam Kade · 30-09-2017 10:42PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

It's increased 6 fold since the 70s??
(Going by what we were taught anyways)

A 1.6 petrol in the 70s vs 2017 is miles apart in effectiency (despite the 4 stroke engine being v.inefficent)

But sure look....you head out and work away with a spluttery troublesome carb ,if that's what your happy with

Early 80's 1.6 32mpg 2016 1.6 40 mpg if you drive like a granny.

30-09-2017 10:42PM

Permabear wrote: »

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I'm in social studies (business in particular). Fair play to you on doing a Phd in quants. It's a foreign language for me

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-09-2017 10:45PM

Carry wrote: »

No. It's not nonsense and I don't wear rose tinted glasses as a principle. Google (or any other search engine) is selective, you still need to do analog research, if you take your studies seriously.

And as I mentioned in an earlier comment: Life (and studying) is certainly easier with the internet, I wouldn't want to live without it, but you need to have the brains to know that not everything on the internet is valuable or reliable.

Agreed. Not everything is available on the internet and what is, by that very fact, is known and well used. I had, for example, to seek out 18th Century letters in Germany to see the birth of a theory and to get a feel for the process that led to it, for a PhD. I still can't find that material on the internet.

Of course the internet is wonderful and I love it but it's not the be all and end all.

Indeed it gets my goat at times when I refer to a study on a subject and someone posts "post a link" when the study is published in hardcopy only or is only available in a particular archive.

Could you live in a world without computers?

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