Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

SafeSurfer · 28-09-2017 07:06PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I'm sure there are some people who could advise you where to procure them.

I still don't understand your kids drugs are bad response to the question about convicted insider trader George Soros funding constitutional change in Ireland.

Maybe you are embarrassed at the association and wish to deflect?

What are you on about. First Soros and now something about abortion pills. Where do the abortion pills exist?

Avoid, deflect, rinse repeat.

Ruth "I've made my mind up before seeing the question" Coppinger and George "Chaos is Profit" Soros on the same side.
Strange bedfellows indeed.

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 07:07PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I give it a 2/10 for effort and use of language.

Oooh, burn. So cutting.

Zerbini's post was right on the money.

WinnyThePoo · 28-09-2017 07:08PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Avoid, deflect, rinse repeat.

Ruth "I've made my mind up before seeing the question" Coppinger and George "Chaos is Profit" Soros on the same side.
Strange bedfellows indeed.

Yep ...kids ..stay off the drugs.

SafeSurfer · 28-09-2017 07:12PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Avoid, deflect, rinse repeat.

Ruth "I've made my mind up before seeing the question" Coppinger and George "Chaos is Profit" Soros on the same side.
Strange bedfellows indeed.

Yep ...kids ..stay off the drugs.

Wow. And they say debate is dead.

WinnyThePoo · 28-09-2017 07:18PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Wow. And they say debate is dead.

what debate?

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 08:02PM

B0jangles wrote: »

Hey Hatrickpatrick have you personally ever been threatened, attacked or deprived of your freedom to act because of an inherent characteristic that you cannot conceal or change?

I ask, because you are always present to defend near-absolute freedom of speech as a position of ideological purity which (to me, anyway) comes over as the attitude of one who has never personally faced any consequences as a result of unrestricted free speech.

It's not an unusual position at all, it's actually very commonly encountered in online discussions and I've noticed that the vast majority of those who hold such a position are never personally threatened or indeed, even personally affected by the issue under discussion.

I tend towards a more practical, less ideological position; that such laws are there to facilitate the safe existence of us all, not expressions of universal truths.

A believer in total freedom of speech as a point of principal, might say that Person A should be able to use a public platform to spread their belief, for example, that 'Gays spread Disease', I would say that such claims endanger the lives of gay people - I believe their right to a safe a peaceful life is more important than maintaining a pure ideological position of Freedom of Speech.

In this case, I think the rights of the women of Ireland not to be lied to about links between abortion and cancer are more important than the rights of this group to spread their message.

From what I Interpret you appear to be arguing that people have a right not to be offended, I strongly disagree with such a view- we all hear something we mightn,t like or mightn,t agree with + mightn,t want to hear that can cause offence, but that,s life not everyone is gonna agree with you nor share your worldview, Im not saying someone should go out to cause offence to people on purpose, what I will defend is a persons right to say something even if it causes offence or even if its something that some people don,t want to hear, I ll defend his/her right to say it.

A quote from your post.

"" I ask, because you are always present to defend near-absolute freedom of speech as a position of ideological purity which (to me, anyway) comes over as the attitude of one who has never personally faced any consequences as a result of unrestricted free speech. ""

Regarding the whole abortion debate, some might say that the people out campaigning for unrestricted access to abortion/abortion on demand won,t face any consequences as they re the ones who are alive,, they re not the ones who will be aborted, some might say its very easy for some people to be all for abortion on demand when you re not facing the consequence or situation of being aborted.

That said unlike some certain people Im not trying to silence others I don,t like or don,t agree with- Im not trying to pressure venues to cancel pro choice meetings nor am I tearing down pro choice posters .

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 08:12PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Already replied to another poster ; people have right to speak to contact the hotel; but it just proved they don't believe in free speech when they seek to silence others they disagree with.

This. If one believes in the spirit of free speech, then one would never call for a company to ever remove a platform from anyone, regardless of the content.

By the way, I'll bet that there will be some on the pro-life side who will engage in similar tactics again pro-choice meetings, and I will state here and now for the record that I will similarly oppose this absolutely vehemently.

I concur, when the meeting John Lyons was due to chair on the 8th amendment got canceled, I didn,t agree with it- he,s not a fellow I like nor have time for, but I don,t want silenced at the same time either, its a pity the same can,t be said about him & people in his party.

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 08:15PM

The meeting by ( Unbroken ) is being streamed live for anyone who might want to hear them out.

https://www.facebook.com/UnbrokenLifeBeyondRape/videos/345904035836467/

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 08:22PM

January wrote: »

It's relevant because they're trying to convince others that the only way it should go is to carry the pregnancy to term because that's what they did and look at them, aren't we ok? Yes that's fine, they may be ok, but there are many, many other people out there that are not ok, who were forced to carry their pregnancy to term because of Ireland's restrictive abortion laws.

"" it's relevant because they're trying to convince others ""

That,s what happens in referendum debates both sides will try to convince others + win hearts & minds over to their side, Groups like ( Rosa ) are trying to win people over to their side , its kinda the same thing as ( Unbroken ) trying to win people over to their side, of course people can freely choose if they don,t want to listen to certain groups or attend meetings.

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 08:40PM

seamus wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

have some consideration about people on the fence who might of wanted to go hear out one side.

They can pay $15 for the DVD, it's cheaper than the €20 to go to the Gibson.

Anyway, that's a different argument now. Instead of violating free speech, apparently it's blocking "research" or something?

Have some consideration for the Hotel's wish to protect its income. Should people just silently boycott the hotel, or should they let the hotel know they plan on boycotting it?

Oh, what a tangled web it becomes when you realise that the same argument can be applied on both sides of the fence.

"" They can pay $15 for the DVD, ""

But why should they have to pay for dvd ? why shouldn,t he/she have the right to attend an assembly if they want to ? a lot of people don,t seem to realize nor get that just because a hotel hosts an event doesn,t mean they endorse the event.

WinnyThePoo · 28-09-2017 08:43PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

"" They can pay $15 for the DVD, ""

But why should they have to pay for dvd ? why shouldn,t he/she have the right to attend an assembly if they want to ? a lot of people don,t seem to realize nor get that just because a hotel hosts an event doesn,t mean they endorse the event.

A hotel hosts an event.. But it doesn't mean it endorses the event?. Incoherence.

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 09:02PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

"" They can pay $15 for the DVD, ""

But why should they have to pay for dvd ? why shouldn,t he/she have the right to attend an assembly if they want to ? a lot of people don,t seem to realize nor get that just because a hotel hosts an event doesn,t mean they endorse the event.

A hotel hosts an event.. But it doesn't mean it endorses the event?. Incoherence.

This weekend the Aisling hotel which canceled the pro life conference recently, is due to host a meeting by a Humanist group on the touchy subject of assisted suicide ( see screensave )

The humanist group were willing pay their money to the hotel for use to rent a room to host their meeting & the hotel accepted their money , now just because a meeting on assisted suicide is being hosted at their hotel, doesn,t mean that the hotel endorses the humanist groups views, it just means they re renting out a room to a group who were willing to pay for use of the room , nothing more/nothing less .

Permabear · 28-09-2017 09:12PM

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WinnyThePoo · 28-09-2017 09:28PM

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These hotels are private companies....you know that. The buck stops with them.

martingriff · 28-09-2017 09:51PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

These hotels are private companies....you know that. The buck stops with them.

So what if they are private companies just because a hotel hosts an event does not mean they endorse it it means they are doing there job by selling there space. If a hotel holds an AGM for a company does that mean they endorse that company. Did the hotels who hosted political parties endorse the parties.

I think all sides have a right to be heard (as long as they are a legal organisation that does not promote doing something illegal) as equally people have a right to disagree with that sides point.

I think they were 2 of the group on Niall Boylans show last night I listened to what they were saying 1 who has a baby after been raped as she did not feel that killing the baby would give any bit of healing but keeping it made who feel at least something right has come from her ideal eg her kid. and the other her was due to her mother been raped. She said when she met her mother (she gave her up) she said you are lucky to be here as if I could have got an abortion you would be dead.

Now once they got off there stories and tried to debate they were a bit painful not as much as the lady from People Before Profit who quickly side stepped the issue that they tore down there posters (some bragging about it on facebook). One of her points was that a lady can get 14 years if she tries to have an abortion in Ireland (totally disagree with this) while a rapist only get 12 (Also totally disagree with this) and this was why abortion should be legal. 1 of the 22 speakers asked her do you campaign for rapist to get bigger sentences and she weakly answered ya we could. I quickly turned off as a could not listen to it anymore.

SafeSurfer · 28-09-2017 10:21PM

Katie Ascough, the pro life president of UCD students union is now being impeached.
http://www.universityobserver.ie/news/enough-signatures-reached-for-impeachment-of-ucdsu-president-katie-ascough/
I have no problem with this as long as both sides in the impeachment referendum are allowed a platform to express their views and posters of either side are not stolen or destroyed.

gctest50 · 28-09-2017 10:26PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Katie Ascough, the pro life president of UCD students union is now being impeached. ...................

any relation ? :

http://bit.ly/1ldKZIM

Jackie Ascough, a Christian fundamentalist from Texas also known as Jaclyn Dodgin, is the wife of Tom Ascough, and although not acknowledged to be involved with Iona, is routinely invited to speak on RTÉ programmes about social matters, again for reasons that are not entirely clear. Why Irish broadcasters would consider the opinion of a foreign ideologue relevant has yet to be explained.

As somebody with a degree in Radio/TV/Film from the University of North Texas, Jackie doesn’t seem to be highly qualified to practise as a fertility care practitioner, though her degree is augmented by something from the St. Joseph Healthcare Natural Family Planning Teacher Education Centre in St Paul Minnesota, a religiously-motivated organisation.

According to the Human Life International website, Jackie lectures for the Nurture Institute (another institute!) on the topic of psychosexual development of children 0-18. However, the article omits to mention what qualifications she earned that equip her to do this important work. There’s no listing of a company with this name in the Irish database. The Nurture Institute, according to its website, is the “operational arm” of Education Resource Trust. It seems to be in urgent need of new blood, with its youngest director at 66, followed by 68, 72, 73, 80, 81 and 83. You’d have to wonder why people in this age range would be bothering themselves with the psychosexual development of anyone.

Jackie is deeply engaged with Human Life International and other worthy causes such as Pure in Heart, a group of young people answering the call of Our Lady of Medjugorje, with an address at, would you believe it, 23 Merrion Square.

The institutes never end. Jackie also works with the Nazareth Family Institute, founded, according to its website, by the Community of Nazareth, describing itself as a lay, charismatic, covenant community in south Co Dublin.

Jackie is deeply engaged with Human Life International

Might explain why the serpents in the OP crossed the Atlantic ocean

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gctest50 · 28-09-2017 10:32PM

infomap someone put effort into :

http://bocktherobber.com/godsquad/godsquad.html

Permabear · 28-09-2017 10:32PM

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gctest50 · 28-09-2017 10:37PM

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Because Ionanists/HLInazis are still spouting this :

https://humanlife.ie/product/2308/

Presenting real life experiences of married couples, expert opinion, medical facts, statistics, historical citations, Church texts and relevant websites, this book shows that to maximise your chances of marital fulfilment you absolutely must avoid using contraception

Permabear · 28-09-2017 10:38PM

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SafeSurfer · 28-09-2017 10:41PM

gctest50 wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Katie Ascough, the pro life president of UCD students union is now being impeached. ...................

any relation ? :

http://bit.ly/1ldKZIM

Jackie Ascough, a Christian fundamentalist from Texas also known as Jaclyn Dodgin, is the wife of Tom Ascough, and although not acknowledged to be involved with Iona, is routinely invited to speak on RTÉ programmes about social matters, again for reasons that are not entirely clear. Why Irish broadcasters would consider the opinion of a foreign ideologue relevant has yet to be explained.

As somebody with a degree in Radio/TV/Film from the University of North Texas, Jackie doesn’t seem to be highly qualified to practise as a fertility care practitioner, though her degree is augmented by something from the St. Joseph Healthcare Natural Family Planning Teacher Education Centre in St Paul Minnesota, a religiously-motivated organisation.

According to the Human Life International website, Jackie lectures for the Nurture Institute (another institute!) on the topic of psychosexual development of children 0-18. However, the article omits to mention what qualifications she earned that equip her to do this important work. There’s no listing of a company with this name in the Irish database. The Nurture Institute, according to its website, is the “operational arm” of Education Resource Trust. It seems to be in urgent need of new blood, with its youngest director at 66, followed by 68, 72, 73, 80, 81 and 83. You’d have to wonder why people in this age range would be bothering themselves with the psychosexual development of anyone.

Jackie is deeply engaged with Human Life International and other worthy causes such as Pure in Heart, a group of young people answering the call of Our Lady of Medjugorje, with an address at, would you believe it, 23 Merrion Square.

The institutes never end. Jackie also works with the Nazareth Family Institute, founded, according to its website, by the Community of Nazareth, describing itself as a lay, charismatic, covenant community in south Co Dublin.

Jackie is deeply engaged with Human Life International

Might explain why the serpents in the OP crossed the Atlantic ocean

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I believe she is the daughter of Tom
Could you provide a link to the site that you copied the totally impartial bio of the Ascoughs from. I'm sure it's reputable and unbiased beyond reproach.

One eyed Jack · 28-09-2017 10:42PM

martingriff wrote: »

Now once they got off there stories and tried to debate they were a bit painful not as much as the lady from People Before Profit who quickly side stepped the issue that they tore down there posters (some bragging about it on facebook). One of her points was that a lady can get 14 years if she tries to have an abortion in Ireland (totally disagree with this) while a rapist only get 12 (Also totally disagree with this) and this was why abortion should be legal. 1 of the 22 speakers asked her do you campaign for rapist to get bigger sentences and she weakly answered ya we could. I quickly turned off as a could not listen to it anymore.

This is nonsense. A person who is found guilty of having committed rape can be sentenced to life imprisonment?

Anyone (not just pregnant women) who performs an illegal abortion in Ireland can face up to 14 years if found guilty.

The Legend Of Kira · 28-09-2017 10:48PM

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Because Ionanists/HLInazis are still spouting this :

https://humanlife.ie/product/2308/

Presenting real life experiences of married couples, expert opinion, medical facts, statistics, historical citations, Church texts and relevant websites, this book shows that to maximise your chances of marital fulfilment you absolutely must avoid using contraception

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Ok I wouldn,t agree with their stance on contraception, that said I wouldn,t support silencing or no platforming them either, if they re willing to pay their own money to rent a venue I don,t think they should be prevented from doing so .

WinnyThePoo · 28-09-2017 11:03PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Why don't you write an email or post on their facebook. No one is stopping you, Of course you know that already.

Loafing Oaf · 28-09-2017 11:05PM

gctest50 wrote: »

any relation ? :

Might explain why the serpents in the OP crossed the Atlantic ocean

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Kind of surprising that someone from this background would be getting seriously involved in student politics in the first place...

Permabear · 28-09-2017 11:06PM

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gctest50 · 28-09-2017 11:06PM

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

Ok I wouldn,t agree with their stance on contraception, that said I wouldn,t support silencing or no platforming them either, if they re willing to pay their own money to rent a venue I don,t think they should be prevented from doing so .

In the OP, the whole thing is bad bad someone-had-eureka moment stuff

Gil Mor, director of the reproductive immunology unit at the Yale University School of Medicine, says flat out: “Humans are not rats.”
Humans and rats are fundamentally different organisms, he says, pointing out that rats don’t even have breasts and, therefore, “there is no breast cancer in rats. We [use] the rat to understand basic biological process. Period. Basic biological processes.” In short, Mor says the Russos are on solid ground studying the basic processes of mammary-gland differentiation in rats. But when they or someone like Brind tries to extrapolate those processes to humans, the terrain gets wobbly

When Joel Brind tries to link abortion and breast cancer, he starts with Jose and Irma Russo’s research. In 1978 the husband-and-wife team took 49 female rats and divided them into groups: rats that had carried a pregnancy to term and delivered offspring, rats that had been given abortions, and rats that had not mated. Then they exposed the animals to a chemical that is known to give female rats cancer: 7,12-dimethylbenz(a)anthracene. One of the 18 rats that had given birth developed a malignancy, seven of the nine rats that had abortions developed malignancies, and 15 of the 22 virgins developed malignancies.

Writing in The American Journal of Pathology in August 1980, the Russos concluded that a full pregnancy appeared to give female rats protection against a known carcinogen. They pointed out that female rats are born with terminal end buds: bulbous groups of cells at the tips of their mammary ducts that are prone to cancer. As pregnancy progresses, those cells differentiate into more mature structures called alveolar buds and lobules to prepare for nursing.

Loafing Oaf · 28-09-2017 11:13PM

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UCDSU has a committed pro-choice position and is presumably promoting other ungodly stuff like contraception. Potential for all sort of moral dilemmas there for a hardline Catholic, if that's what she is...

Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

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