Myths and Misconceptions you would like to dispel?

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 10:44PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Your just waffling the same points.

You cannot contradict the fact that there are substances that when introduced to the body through food have an anti-oxidant effect on harmful free radicals.

That's a fact whether you like it or not.

I'd love to see you produce some scientific papers which prove that fact. Papers that have measured the biological activity of detox diet foods within the body and show the effects the detox diet has. Bioavailability is key. A fruit containing an antioxidant doesn't mean that it has an antioxidant effect once in the body.

There is a lot of literature out there on why detox diets are nonsense. Read up on it. OR dismiss my points. Totally up to you, no skin off my nose at all.

Mountainsandh · 28-09-2017 10:49PM

People who eat alone in a restaurant, or go to the cinema on their own, or while away the time in a coffee shop on their own ... are not systematically lonely and sad.

I love my alone time, but sometimes it feels like others can't grasp that. Say, if friends of mine saw me alone having a coffee or food, they would feel they have to "rescue me" while in fact, I was really enjoying the moment.

Ten of Swords · 28-09-2017 10:49PM

Lemmings do not commit mass suicide - this myth was started by a 1950s documentary called White Wilderness, the film makers purposely caused the lemmings to fall from the cliff and filmed it

The summit of Mount Everest is not the farthest point of land from the center of the Earth - the summit of Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador is

The Sahara is not the largest desert on Earth - Antarctica is

Hair and nails do not continue to grow after death - Skin drying out and shrinking giving the false appearance of growth

wakka12 · 28-09-2017 10:54PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

No, it's completely true. If your liver isn't up to the job of detoxification, you're in big trouble and no diet will save you.

Obviously the liver is necessary and the chief processor of toxins. but certain foods do help to combat harmful effects of free radicals within the body. Theres mountains of research and thousands of doctors backing it up btw, its not like its a flavour of the month health fad bro science

Gerrup Outta Dat! · 28-09-2017 10:56PM

thelad95 wrote: »

That jet fuel can melt steel beams.

But they do soften it

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 10:56PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Obviously the liver is necessary and the chief processor of toxins. but certain foods do help to combat harmful effects of free radicals within the body. Theres mountains of research and thousands of doctors backing it up btw, its not like its a flavour of the month health fad bro science

Can you point to the most salient research? Because I can find nothing but detractors in scientific circles.

Detox diets are exactly the bolded. The definition of it.

Oh and here's a review of the literature done in 2015 which finds no real evidence of benefits and which points out that no proper studies have been done as of 2015. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25522674

the14thwarrior · 28-09-2017 10:57PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Obviously the liver is necessary and the chief processor of toxins. but certain foods do help to combat harmful effects of free radicals within the body. Theres mountains of research and thousands of doctors backing it up btw, its not like its a flavour of the month health fad bro science

its a myth that someone can start a thread about one thing, and it can get turned into a massive discussion on something else....... like detox.......

FizzleSticks · 28-09-2017 10:58PM

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Are Am Eye · 28-09-2017 11:01PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I'd love to see you produce some scientific papers which prove that fact. Papers that have measured the biological activity of detox diet foods within the body and show the effects the detox diet has. Bioavailability is key. A fruit containing an antioxidant doesn't mean that it has an antioxidant effect once in the body.

There is a lot of literature out there on why detox diets are nonsense. Read up on it. OR dismiss my points. Totally up to you, no skin off my nose at all.

You're the one contending that no substance introduce to the body via food can eliminate a toxin. A very brave and unorthodox contention. You have presented no research to back up your strange assertions. The process of anti-oxidation is long known and widely accepted. The fact that your only reference is to another 'discussion' (ha ha) shows the poverty of facts to back up your unconventional ideas.

the14thwarrior · 28-09-2017 11:01PM

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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its a myth that someone can start a thread about one thing, and it turns into something else......... like periods:D

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 11:07PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You're the one contending that no substance introduce to the body via food can eliminate a toxin. A very brave and unorthodox contention. You have presented no research to back up your strange assertions. The process of anti-oxidation is long known and widely accepted. The fact that your only reference is to another 'discussion' (ha ha) shows the poverty of facts to back up your unconventional ideas.

I had no worries about finding information to back up my point and it didn't take long to strike gold. Brave and unorthodox, not really. Common knowledge more like.

Posted above but here again is a literature review from 2015 which has surveyed the scientific research available on the subject as of that year. It notes that it is a poorly studied area (as of then, there had been no proper randomised studies) and that the only studied which shows that the detox diets could have an effect were small sample sizes and poorly designed. A review of this kind would collate all the available studies on the subject at that particular time. And it's only two years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25522674

In PDF form: https://www.bodybuilding-natural.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Detox-diets-for-toxin-elimination-and-weight-management-a-critical-review-of-the-evidence.pdf

Look at its bibliography and use it as a jumping off point for further reading if you are interested.

Have you got anything at all to back up what you say?

tupenny · 28-09-2017 11:08PM

De wimminz masturbate full time. Its true . Yup

Widdershins · 28-09-2017 11:08PM

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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I know, but when they suffer with menstrual psychosis it's not normal and they should be entitled to some medical help, instead we joke about pms as if going psychotic is inevitable and to be expected. Too much normalisation of something that's not a normal part of it. ''Womens problems'' can also be medical problems.

mynamejeff · 28-09-2017 11:15PM

That the government are in charge and know what they are doing , Civil servants run the county people

Are Am Eye · 28-09-2017 11:24PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

I had no worries about finding information to back up my point and it didn't take long to strike gold. Brave and unorthodox, not really. Common knowledge more like.

Posted above but here again is a literature review from 2015 which has surveyed the scientific research available on the subject as of that year. It notes that it is a poorly studied area (as of then, there had been no proper randomised studies) and that the only studied which shows that the detox diets could have an effect were small sample sizes and poorly designed. A review of this kind would collate all the available studies on the subject at that particular time. And it's only two years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25522674

In PDF form: https://www.bodybuilding-natural.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Detox-diets-for-toxin-elimination-and-weight-management-a-critical-review-of-the-evidence.pdf

Look at its bibliography and use it as a jumping off point for further reading if you are interested.

Have you got anything at all to back up what you say?

Your using "detox diets" - something I never mentioned, have no interest in, and don't give a sh1t about, as a strawman to divert from the fact that you were shown to be wrong on the plain and simple and irrefutable fact that anti-oxidants in food eliminate free radicals in the body.

Now, Dara, think of some new clever way you can divert from the fact that you are completely wrong.

Noveight · 28-09-2017 11:30PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I think it's Adidas and puma that are run by two brothers??

Had a bit of a Google and that is indeed the case.

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 11:32PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Your using "detox diets" - something I never mentioned, have no interest in, and don't give a sh1t about, as a strawman to divert from the fact that you were shown to be wrong on the plain and simple and irrefutable fact that anti-oxidants in food eliminate free radicals in the body.

Now, Dara, think of some new clever way you can divert from the fact that you are completely wrong.

You have a brass neck, I'll give you that.

And yet, I note, still nothing at all produced yourself by way of research. You have quite literally not shown me to be wrong at all. Nothing. Nada. You've blustered about how I've been proven wrong, sure. Talk is cheap. Have you got anything to back up what you say? Anything? Anything? Bueller?

Are Am Eye · 28-09-2017 11:38PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

You have a brass neck, I'll give you that.

Now you thick . Now where's your Ferris Bueller.

And yet, I note, still nothing at all produced yourself by way of research. You have quite literally not shown me to be wrong at all. Nothing. Nada. You've blustered about how I've been proven wrong, sure. Talk is cheap. Have you got anything to back up what you say? Anything? Anything? Bueller?

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Lady Haywire · 28-09-2017 11:40PM

The money was just resting in my account.

28-09-2017 11:40PM

Goldfish having a short memory is a myth. Also keeping them in those tiny bowls is cruelty and they will be stunted

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 11:40PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Wall of text

Summarise, what were the findings? Titles alone aren't illuminating. Where they quality studies?

PanicStations · 28-09-2017 11:43PM

Both the US Food and Drug Administration and the European Food Safety Authority have published guidance disallowing food product labels to claim an inferred antioxidant benefit when no such physiological evidence exists. "Antioxidants”, i.e. non-nutrient compounds in foods, such as polyphenols, have an antioxidant capacity in vitro but other than Vitamins A, C and E – no food compounds have been proved with antioxidant efficacy in vivo.

So Are Am Eye, can you please explain what you know that the US FDA and EFSA don't know?

Are Am Eye · 28-09-2017 11:44PM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Summarise, what were the findings? Titles alone aren't illuminating.

You can read the findings if you like. You're the one bluffing.

You've been given the facts. You've been given the references.

Is it time for your baby ego to grow up and accept that your wrong?

Are Am Eye · 28-09-2017 11:47PM

PanicStations wrote: »

Both the US Food and Drug Administration and the European Food Safety Authority have published guidance disallowing food product labels to claim an inferred antioxidant benefit when no such physiological evidence exists. "Antioxidants”, i.e. non-nutrient compounds in foods, such as polyphenols, have an antioxidant capacity in vitro but other than Vitamins A, C and E – no food compounds have been proved with antioxidant efficacy in vivo.

So Are Am Eye, can you please explain what you know that the US FDA and EFSA don't know?

Neither are contending that Vitamin E or any other agent cannot have an anti-oxidant effect, only restricting what a food can label as its benefits.

_Dara_ · 28-09-2017 11:48PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You can read the findings if you like. You're the one bluffing.

You've been given the facts. You've been given the references.

Is it time for your baby ego to grow up and accept that your wrong?

Not at all. Detox diets don't do anything above and beyond what a normal, healthy diet does. I even said earlier that healthy eating was all that was needed. Detox diets are a marketing ploy and can be downright dangerous. And, once again, if your liver isn't able to detoxify, you'll need to pay your doctor a visit. And what PanicStations said also. If solid evidence existed they'd have no problem with food labels mentioning it.

So, nope, I completely stand by detox diets being complete and utter bunkum that prey on the gullible.

endacl · 28-09-2017 11:50PM

Anita Blow wrote: »

That teachers have long paid holidays

Nah. That ones true. I work 7 months a year and get paid every month, suckaz!

robbiezero · 28-09-2017 11:51PM

Is the myth that people on the internet can never admit to being wrong about to be dispelled on this thread.

Are Am Eye · 29-09-2017 12:02AM

_Dara_ wrote: »

Not at all. Detox diets don't do anything above and beyond what a normal, healthy diet does. I even said earlier that healthy eating was all that was needed. Detox diets are a marketing ploy and can be downright dangerous. And, once again, if your liver isn't able to detoxify, you'll need to pay your doctor a visit. And what PanicStations said also. If solid evidence existed they'd have no problem with food labels mentioning it.

So, nope, I completely stand by detox diets being complete and utter bunkum that prey on the gullible.

You're still hiding behind the strawman of 'detox diets.'

You would love it if I was advocating 'detox diet's

Sadly for you I'm not. Anyone can debunk bullsh1t diets.
It would be so great for you if I was advocating a diet. Then you wouldn't be so stupibdly wrong. It would all be so easy. But as has been said to you in three previous posts, I can start drawing pictures for you if necessary, you are very slow on the uptake. Nothing to do with diets. The simple fact, that I've referenced and sourced, is that Anti-Oxidants in food have an effect on free radicals in the body. That's been said to you lots of times and you're pretending to ignore it. Because you have no answer to it.

29-09-2017 12:05AM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You're still hiding behind the strawman of 'detox diets.'

You would love it if I was advocating 'detox diet's

Sadly for you I'm not. Anyone can debunk bullsh1t diets.
It would be so great for you if I was advocating a diet. Then you wouldn't be so stupibdly wrong. It would all be so easy. But as has been said to you in three previous posts, I can start drawing pictures for you if necessary, you are very slow on the uptake. Nothing to do with diets. The simple fact, that I've referenced and sourced, is that Anti-Oxidants in food have an effect on free radicals in the body. That's been said to you lots of times and you're pretending to ignore it. Because you have no answer to it.

Why the need to be abusive?

The poster you quoted backed up their claims, you posted a list of references with no nod to their quality or findings.

_Dara_ · 29-09-2017 12:09AM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You're still hiding behind the strawman of 'detox diets.'

Well, duh, that's what I started talking about on this thread. Imagine talking about detox diets when what I was discussing was... detox diets. Colour me shocked.

Oh and again, it's interesting that the FDA doesn't allow food companies to make claims about antioxidants on their packaging. I worked with them before, we were providing them with testing results to help our company try and get a drug approved. They're tough, they're stringent, they like solid evidence and lots of it. So yeah, that's pretty darn illuminating. If they don't allow food producers to make those claims, then they don't think that the evidence is strong enough.

Myths and Misconceptions you would like to dispel?

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