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Hotel Cancels Pro life event due to Intimidation.

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  • #32
    January
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's possible the hotel probably didn't even know what the content of the meeting was going to be when it was booked. No wonder they ran a mile from it when it came out what the content was.

    No, they knew. The assistant manager said so.


  • #33
    tigger123
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    It's possible the hotel probably didn't even know what the content of the meeting was going to be when it was booked. No wonder they ran a mile from it when it came out what the content was.

    Yeah, it's unlikely the hotel would interrogate the person booking to find out exactly what was being held there. Take the booking, take the deposit.

    Wasn't there something similar recently where an anti-vaxxing 'documentary' was cancelled by venue at the last minute when they found out what was going to be shown?


  • #34
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Don't allow debate. Close down those who disagree with you. Round and round we go.


  • #35
    kylith
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    Of course a hotel would book them, they're a business after all. However, if people make it clear to the hotel that they disagree with this group and the hotel becomes concerned that there may be a demonstration outside* then the hotel is allowed to decide that they don't want that publicity and hassle.

    * And I'd have joined it cos that lot are an odious group of lying scaremongers


  • #36
    tigger123
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Don't allow debate. Close down those who disagree with you. Round and round we go.

    When you debate total b*lloxology you give it credence and a respect it doesn't deserve.

    Not everything deserves to be debated.


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  • #37
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,657 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I'm Pro Abortion (and will remain, don't worry), but this is not about a total side, it's a few angry heads who making twats of themselves

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #38
    Army_of_One
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    mosi wrote: »

    http://geoffsshorts.blogspot.ie/2013/03/anti-vaccination-group-flies-irish.html
    Geoffsshorts is a great blog...have a read up about that other Irish muppet , The Girl Against Flouride.


  • #39
    January
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    Also the conference was the day of the annual March for Choice, that crowd knew exactly what they were doing booking such bolloxology the same day as the biggest pro-choice event of the year.


  • #40
    RobertKK
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    This isn't just a pro life meeting. It's a meeting to discuss the link between abortion and breast cancer, in other words junk science. I don't blame the hotel cancelling, who needs to have their name associated with quacks who believe God punishes women who have abortion with cancer.

    But how does intimidation of the venue that hosts it, change these views?

    According to cancer.com, women who had a baby that does go full term before they are 20 years old have a lower risk of breast cancer than women who never had a full term pregnancy or who have their first full term pregnancy from the age 30 to 35 years old.
    Having your baby when aged 30 or over is linked to a higher risk of cancer than never giving birth.
    They go onto say that at this time, there is no evidence to support a link to abortion and higher risk of breast cancer.


  • #41
    January
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    Exactly, there is no evidence yet this crowd still spout their nonsense. The venue was not intimidated, people made contact with the hotel via social media and phonecalls to express their disappointment at the hotel giving a platform to such heinous untruths (it wasn't only the breast cancer link they were peddling, it was also that women who have abortions suffer severe mental health disorders because of them), similar to how anti-choicers have done to venues holding pro-choice meetings.


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  • #42
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Don't allow debate. Close down those who disagree with you. Round and round we go.

    It's called "democracy"

    We went the same way with water.65% paid the water charges but the minority didn't like it and got their way!


  • #43
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    RobertKK wrote: »
    But how does intimidation of the venue that hosts it, change these views?

    According to cancer.com, women who had a baby that does go full term before they are 20 years old have a lower risk of breast cancer than women who never had a full term pregnancy or who have their first full term pregnancy from the age 30 to 35 years old.
    Having your baby when aged 30 or over is linked to a higher risk of cancer than never giving birth.
    They go onto say that at this time, there is no evidence to support a link to abortion and higher risk of breast cancer.

    I don't agree with intimidation but I do think a business has the right to cancel an event if it thinks it will reflect badly on its reputation.

    So far we only have one version of events here to go on and that source has already proven itself to be loose with the facts.

    This kind of thing is scaremongering. It's not true and has no place in the abortion debate.


  • #44
    Achasanai
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Which would suggest that we just take the word of the organiser as gospel? Obviously most people would take his word as highly biased until we have further information. I would imagine you would feel the same if the politics were different.


  • #45
    dav3
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    The whole ' omg the hotel had to cancel because of intimidation, but if you put me on your radio show so I can give my side of the story…' spiel is getting a bit worn at this stage. No doubt there will be some radio host that shares this groups views interviewing them in the name of "free speech".

    Let's get one thing clear, having your extremist views challenged does not mean you're being silenced. When far-right extremist Thomas Mair killed Jo Cox, he silenced her. When "pro-life" groups bombed abortion clinics, it was to silence them.

    Just because someone challenges your extremist views and you end up banned from a forum or sacked from your job, yet you can still vent your bile on numerous platforms, you're not being silenced.


  • #46
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #47
    Berserker
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I'm Pro Abortion (and will remain, don't worry), but this is not about a total side, it's a few angry heads who making twats of themselves

    The RoI has done a complete u-turn in the 25 years I have been living here on social issues like this. One of my first memories, in terms of politics, was the conservative media, religious orders etc shouting down and intimidating those on the left who disagreed with them. The opposite appears to be the case now.

    On a personal note, the RC priest used to address the primary school class I was in on such matters but us Prods and the Jewish lad had to stand in the corridor. Would have loved to know what he was saying a bunch of young children about social issues. We had more fun in the corridor, I suspect.


  • #48
    eviltwin
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    You know as well as I do that who you choose to do business with can reflect badly on you. This isn't just a normal pro life meeting, there are meetings held all over the country by pro life groups in hotels and other venues and they never escalate to this extent. Having a meeting where a doctor is going to make a ridiculous, unfounded claim that abortion causes breast cancer is a whole other level. The hotel have every right to reconsider.


  • #49
    freshpopcorn
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    I say we should see a referendum on the 8th amendment in the next year or so. It will be interesting to see the result. Originally I thought it would be repealed but lately I am having my doubts. Even out of my peer group. I am amazed at some of the people who are pro life.


  • #50
    January
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    You know as well as I do that who you choose to do business with can reflect badly on you. This isn't just a normal pro life meeting, there are meetings held all over the country by pro life groups in hotels and other venues and they never escalate to this extent. Having a meeting where a doctor is going to make a ridiculous, unfounded claim that abortion causes breast cancer is a whole other level. The hotel have every right to reconsider.

    This with bells on.


  • #51
    Berserker
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    The hotel have every right to reconsider.

    Surely, their primary concern should be filling the hotel, assuming that the activity is legal?
    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I say we should see a referendum on the 8th amendment in the next year or so. It will be interesting to see the result. Originally I thought it would be repealed but lately I am having my doubts. Even out of my peer group. I am amazed at some of the people who are pro life.

    Never ceases to amaze me. Contrary to the religious line that people try to spin, I know more non-religious people who are pro-life than religious people who are pro-life. My OH is a doctor and religious, solid pro-choice but many of her colleagues are not remotely religious and solid pro-life. I know one surgeon, who goes on and on about how nuts religion is, in private of course but he is passionately pro-life.


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  • #52
    SafeSurfer
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    dav3 wrote: »
    The whole ' omg the hotel had to cancel because of intimidation, but if you put me on your radio show so I can give my side of the story…' spiel is getting a bit worn at this stage. No doubt there will be some radio host that shares this groups views interviewing them in the name of "free speech".

    Let's get one thing clear, having your extremist views challenged does not mean you're being silenced. When far-right extremist Thomas Mair killed Jo Cox, he silenced her. When "pro-life" groups bombed abortion clinics, it was to silence them.

    Just because someone challenges your extremist views and you end up banned from a forum or sacked from your job, yet you can still vent your bile on numerous platforms, you're not being silenced.

    Not supporting killing babies in the womb is not considered at "extremist" view.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #53
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Berserker wrote: »
    The RoI has done a complete u-turn in the 25 years I have been living here on social issues like this. One of my first memories, in terms of politics, was the conservative media, religious orders etc shouting down and intimidating those on the left who disagreed with them. The opposite appears to be the case now.

    On a personal note, the RC priest used to address the primary school class I was in on such matters but us Prods and the Jewish lad had to stand in the corridor. Would have loved to know what he was saying a bunch of young children about social issues. We had more fun in the corridor, I suspect.

    Good post and I remember some of those things even if it was getting to balancing stage before I left

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #54
    arayess
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    January wrote: »
    Except this has nothing to do with opposing a pro-choice view, it has everything to do with trying to dispel the false claims this crowd are trying to spout.

    this is bullsh1t it's about silencing your opposition and nothing else

    If they were spouting such crap (and I know it's crap) you should be able to dispel the myth without bully-boy tactics or silencing them. And easily so.
    You've (not you personally ) only made martyrs of them.


  • #55
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #56
    January
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    arayess wrote: »
    this is bullsh1t it's about silencing your opposition and nothing else

    If they were spouting such crap (and I know it's crap) you should be able to dispel the myth without bully-boy tactics or silencing them. And easily so.
    You've (not you personally ) only made martyrs of them.

    Not at all, see my previous comment on that above.


  • #57
    RobertKK
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    Berserker wrote: »
    The RoI has done a complete u-turn in the 25 years I have been living here on social issues like this. One of my first memories, in terms of politics, was the conservative media, religious orders etc shouting down and intimidating those on the left who disagreed with them. The opposite appears to be the case now.

    On a personal note, the RC priest used to address the primary school class I was in on such matters but us Prods and the Jewish lad had to stand in the corridor. Would have loved to know what he was saying a bunch of young children about social issues. We had more fun in the corridor, I suspect.

    When the priest came to our school, it was never about social issues.


  • #58
    One eyed Jack
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    January wrote: »
    Except this has nothing to do with opposing a pro-choice view, it has everything to do with trying to dispel the false claims this crowd are trying to spout.


    I've always wondered, does this kind of stuff not give them more publicity and portray them as "the underdog" sort of thing? I'd have heard nothing about this before now, and certainly from the way the opening post is framed, it appears as though this group are being portrayed as "the underdog".

    It wouldn't sway my opinion one way or the other mind you as I'm not particularly interested in the politics and publicity seeking that any of these particular groups engage in (I find myself often questioning their motives as individuals tbh), but I've no doubt such publicity can have either a positive, galvanising effect on some people, and I just wonder is that outweighed by the negative, aversive effect it has on other people.

    I'd love to be no-platformed, seems like a badge of honour these days, but I'm just not extreme enough :pac:


  • #59
    The_Kew_Tour
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    When the priest came to our school, it was never about social issues.

    Same here to extent.

    I had a Christian Brother who gave me hell for 2 years. Mainly due to fact my dad side of family were English and Prods and I was never forgotten about it either. This was nearer the late 90s too. He would have to leave the year I left:rolleyes:

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #60
    Berserker
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Never knew about this event. The JWs are very active at the moment in the Dublin area. They are recruiting at train stations every morning. You see them at Leixlip and Coolmine most morning. They, along with the likes of Scientologists and the Evangelical churches from the USA, have recognised that a void exists in Ireland due to the scandals in the RCC church here, so they are hoping to fill that void.


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  • #61
    Billy86
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    If someone wants to put pressure on a hotel so the event can't go ahead, it is akin to burning books so they can't be read.
    No it's not. If they burned the hotel to the ground then it could be, but right now they're just exercising their free speech, exactly as those on the right want us all to do freely.


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