Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

Jawgap wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

The passport stuff is neither here or there.  A lot of people have more than one and they use them  as and when it s most convenient or useful.  A lot of Americans carry a European passport for ease of travel (and in case they get hijacked) but that doesn't stop hem running into a US embassy if trouble starts.   If you were sitting on remand for 4 years in a US Federal prison, I suspect you might fish out your Irish one.

Nobody has described him as an "innocent abroad".  You have decided to believe he traveled to protest so no point in bothering you with facts and evidence to the contrary.

"The passport stuff is neither here or there"  - eh? It's at the very heart of the situation!! I know his supporters want it glossed over, but did he or did he not travel as an Egyptian?

Plus his supporters have persistently tried to portray him as an innocent abroad.....a young Dublin lad who went on a family holiday and got swept up in events, when the reality, as suggested by the evidence, is that he travelled with the purpose of placing himself at the heart of the protests.

And btw, the number of US citizens holding dual nationality is less than 500000, or about 0.3% of the citizenry......so the vast, vast majority actually don't carry EU passports (and the number declines even more significantly if you exclude people who have dual citizenship by virtue of being born abroad while their parents were serving in the military)....when you apply to be naturalised you have to forego any other citizenship (you just leave it a few months and apply for your second passport back).

And yeah, "hijacking" that's the reason to have a different passport :rolleyes: - this isn't the 1970s/80s anymore.......

I'm sure I would try to play my Irish passport if I was thrown in jail in the US......but how far do you think I'd get with the consul? would the ambassador come down herself and negotiate my release?

If he traveled to protest, don't you think he would have done so on his Irish passport as his get out of jail card?
The ambassador didn't try to get him out of jail.  She tried to get him out of the mosque alive.

quintana76 wrote: »

All seemingly true. Your point being?

All disproven so all that's left for people to clutch at is what passport he flashed at the airport.

Jawgap wrote: »

Ok, for a start I never suggested anything mentioned in your second paragraph......

....and as for your first paragraph.....there's no argument, it's a matter of fact he travelled out on his Egyptian passport and only pulled the Paddy-card out when he realised that he was playing with the big boys.

Why even reply to that garbage ???

See the problem with these eejits is you put forward a well written fact based circumstantial assessment of the situation but in their "liberal" warped minds they read it as if it was the drivel he posted in the second paragraph , they are the real fascists and racists of this world

Addilynn Scruffy Wheelchair wrote: »

I nearly chocked on my cornflakes this morning reading Lynn boylans piece in the IT..."a prisoner of conscience"

Since when?
He was involved in a protest denouncing the current government which isn't a smart thing to be doing in a military state.

The irony of this is too rich for words.....

Smart and Lynn Boylan? Contradiction in terms. She supports via Halawa an organisation that would not let her leave the house without her husband's permission. Then again there might be some merit in that.

glenfieldman wrote: »

I see the shady fcuker need a new passport before he can come back to Ireland
I wonder why ???

The Passport issue is a very Red Herring,as it was never of any importance and still is'nt.
The Mark Humphries blog even states this.

http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html#censored

There have been claims that there was a video of Ibrahim Halawa destroying his Irish passport.
I never saw such a video.
I never saw any evidence that such a video once existed. (Such as a broken link to it, dangling in old comments somewhere.)

In the absence of evidence, I never believed this story. I stick to facts. All claims that I promoted this story are lies. It is a distraction from the main issue, which is that Halawa supported the Muslim Brotherhood. Pushing this story just allows pro-Halawa people dismiss the entire anti-Halawa case.

Humphries is both accurate and fair in relation to this allegation.

He does refer to the photo displayed on the Hawala's own Social Media outlets,which is a temporary one issued in Nov 2013 on the assumption that his original passport was misplaced by the Egyptian authorities.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelsegalov/egyptian-presidents-uk-visit-condemned?utm_term=.jnWYXexW2G#.xdm6qRQgW0

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-11/4/11/enhanced/webdr01/original-25013-1446652853-4.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

The Buzzfeed article is equally noteworthy for the first-hand accounts given by the Sisters,which contain some claims which appear to have been forgotten as the years passed...

Setting the scene is the,by now,usual "Family Holiday" account...

In May 2013, the four siblings, whose parents are Egyptian-born, had made their annual family trip to Cairo to spend time with relatives. But a few weeks later, Sisi launched his coup and Morsi was ousted from power.

So...May,June,July,August 14th...quite an extended vacation period indeed.

There was an outdoor hospital in the square, where the doctors at the protest were volunteering to help," Omaima recalled, looking down as she spoke, visibly hurting.

"One officer said to everyone that if we don't leave the hospital immediately, they'd burn us all to death. I said to one of the officers, 'We can't leave, there are people here injured. Let us help them out.'

She said the officer went back inside and shot each wounded civilian in front of her eyes, telling her, "There are no more people injured, you can leave now."

I am assuming,that the numerous Legal representatives who have attached their organizations to the Hawala campaign will be eager to follow up on what is an Eye Witness to Murder statement ?

"There were a thousand people inside, petrified, it was chaos," said Omaima. "Live bullets were fired, whilst the four of us were stood together, and Ibrahim, my younger brother, threw us to the wall. He stood holding us in his arms, with his back to the police opening fire. He was protecting us, taking a shot to the hand, aged just 17."

After the siege ended, around 500 people were taken from the mosque by security forces. The sisters said they were both sexually assaulted by the officers en route to the vans that were waiting to take them to the Tora Military Camp, where they were refused medical attention and water.

While 30 other women were released that night, the Halawa sisters were kept in incarceration.

There are a number of accounts of the Hand Injury suffered by Ibrahim Hawala,however this appears to very specifically saying that he "took a shot to the hand",which I presume will have left a scar or other disfigurement.

It is also,the first time we are tod of the Sexual Assault allegations,again of no small importance to a Lawyer contemplating a case against the Egyptian State.

Again,it must be stressed that the Buzzfeed article is from 2015,but the relative lack of follow-up on the serious allegations is somewhat puzzling of itself ?

I just can't get over how vocal his detractors are... Where are they usually and why do they think he's the biggest threat in Irelands history?