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Apple Market Roof/canopy?

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    #542
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Problem is Ireland isn't Amsterdam and many motorists don't know the meaning of crawl by. They also are unable to factor in other people into their daily lives

    Was up at the apple market at weekend and can def see a few accidents happening,

    Yeah because driving cars and vans and trucks in and around pedestrians is becoming all the rage around Europe :eek:
    Are we inviting trouble?


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    #543
    Deiseen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Max Powers wrote: »
    What's this..quiet fella bad mouthing Waterford again with some poorly thought out comment ...what a surprise.

    Critical analysis is what I call in Max!

    I live in Central London, which is basically better than Dublin in every way possible (I still like Dublin) and isn't full of indigenous Irish crack heads but I have to say, the amount of ****e that comes out of you on this board is unreal.


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    #544
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


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    #545
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    When did that clock go?


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    #546
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Good question. I like it


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    #547
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭jelutong


    And the toilet?


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    #548
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users Posts: 13,996 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Thanks for the pics ... nice! :D

    I would love to see some from the 60s ...... the Apple Market was vibrant during late 50s & 60s ...... or so memory seems to say :D


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    #549
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Deiseen wrote: »
    I live in Central London, which is basically better than Dublin in every way possible (I still like Dublin) and isn't full of indigenous Irish crack heads but I have to say, the amount of ****e that comes out of you on this board is unreal.

    Not full! We're waiting upon Max to complete the compliment!


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    #550
    JohnC.
    Registered Users Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    The clock's appeared.

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    #551
    looksee
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    I drove through the Apple Market for the first time at the weekend and while I didn't really look at the canopy - I was too busy watching pedestrians - I have to agree that allowing cars though the area is madness.


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    #552
    fricatus
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    looksee wrote: »
    I drove through the Apple Market for the first time at the weekend and while I didn't really look at the canopy - I was too busy watching pedestrians - I have to agree that allowing cars though the area is madness.

    Yes, and my experience of it at the weekend was that drivers don't treat it as a "shared space". They just treat it as a regular road and drive as if they had right of way. Time to close it off as a through route. Allow access from either end by all means, but put a barrier in the middle so that it can't be used as a rat run.


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    #553
    BBM77
    Registered Users Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭BBM77


    looksee wrote: »
    I drove through the Apple Market for the first time at the weekend and while I didn't really look at the canopy - I was too busy watching pedestrians - I have to agree that allowing cars though the area is madness.

    What is madness is that they never took traffic flow or an alternative traffic flow into consideration when they were planning and designing it. It was typical public-sector blinkered thinking. Don’t get me wrong I think what was been done in the Apple Market is great. I just wish that they planned an alternative traffic flow first and closed the Apple Market to traffic. In fact they gave planning permission for the back of the old Bank of Ireland to be used as a paid car park giving more reason for cars to be driving up there! For god sake what kind of logic is that?


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    #554
    Gavlor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    BBM77 wrote: »
    What is madness is that they never took traffic flow or an alternative traffic flow into consideration when they were planning and designing it. It was typical public-sector blinkered thinking. Don’t get me wrong I think what was been done in the Apple Market is great. I just wish that they planned an alternative traffic flow first and closed the Apple Market to traffic. In fact they gave planning permission for the back of the old Bank of Ireland to be used as a paid car park giving more reason for cars to be driving up there! For god sake what kind of logic is that?

    As someone who works in town, It's pretty much void of any significant pedestrian traffic 90% of the time so why shut down the road?? Aesthetics aside, the only time it should be closed is from 9pm Friday and Saturday night. Possibly student nights as well.

    Having it as a thru road to new st is more of an issue than the boi car park


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    #555
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I'd like to think my posting of the pix above prompted the council to drag the clock out of storage! :)


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    #556
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Gavlor wrote: »
    As someone who works in town, It's pretty much void of any significant pedestrian traffic 90% of the time so why shut down the road?? Aesthetics aside, the only time it should be closed is from 9pm Friday and Saturday night. Possibly student nights as well.

    Having it as a thru road to new st is more of an issue than the boi car park

    Not a bad suggestion gavlor, I'd include Saturday day maybe too
    As far the clock Harry, hopefully it'll be working at some stage too, it is a nice thing to havethere


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    #557
    invalid
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭invalid


    Unfortunately the Applemarket is the main access to Spring Garden Alley. The council are currently talking to the residents about opening up the exit onto Colbeck Street permanently and pedestrianising the Applemarket but alas not all the businesses there want that.

    For those of you who think it was obvious to pedestrianise the street, try dealing with over 100 residents and 30 or so businesses who all have different opinions. Then tell us all how easy getting agreement fast is done?


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    #558
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,035 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    From what I was told the traffic won't be able to come up there from October.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #559
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    invalid wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Applemarket is the main access to Spring Garden Alley. The council are currently talking to the residents about opening up the exit onto Colbeck Street permanently and pedestrianising the Applemarket but alas not all the businesses there want that.

    For those of you who think it was obvious to pedestrianise the street, try dealing with over 100 residents and 30 or so businesses who all have different opinions. Then tell us all how easy getting agreement fast is done?

    Typical Waterford CC planning. No genuine thought whatsoever put in to this development!
    Build it first and we'll see what happens and then we'll just try to figure it out as we go along! I wouldn't give them a Rubix Cube to solve!

    Can you imagine them trying to get their heads around the planning of the new developments on the North Quays! Hell will freeze over first!
    What a glorious waste of taxpayers money!!!


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    #560
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    StringerBell wrote: »
    From what I was told the traffic won't be able to come up there from October.

    Doubt it String,, as invalid said, businesses and houses in spring garden means access will always be needed at times.so I can't imagine anyone really thinking fully pedestriaise at any stage in near to medium future.


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    #561
    BBM77
    Registered Users Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Gavlor wrote: »
    BBM77 wrote: »
    What is madness is that they never took traffic flow or an alternative traffic flow into consideration when they were planning and designing it. It was typical public-sector blinkered thinking. Don’t get me wrong I think what was been done in the Apple Market is great. I just wish that they planned an alternative traffic flow first and closed the Apple Market to traffic. In fact they gave planning permission for the back of the old Bank of Ireland to be used as a paid car park giving more reason for cars to be driving up there! For god sake what kind of logic is that?
    As someone who works in town, It's pretty much void of any significant pedestrian traffic 90% of the time so why shut down the road?? Aesthetics aside, the only time it should be closed is from 9pm Friday and Saturday night. Possibly student nights as well.

    Having it as a thru road to new st is more of an issue than the boi car park

    Don’t disagree with you, the logical thing to do then is have designed it so it is clear that there is a road. Just think it is ridiculous to build something like this when two carparks are accessed via the street and houses without considering the flow of traffic. You may or may not know this but the council admitted that they just did not plan for the flow of traffic. What way is that to make changes to an urban area?

    Taking a risk of opening a can of worms but they did the exact same thing with the Quays and Newtown. They did not fully think of the bigger traffic issues.


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    #562
    moans3536
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭moans3536


    Why can't they use new street both ways , so access to car park and access to spring garden alley , you are only crossing the top section of the applemarket , and close off the bottom section of applemarket /john street .
    Spring garden alley residents will be able to drive both ways up and down new street and also car park can be accessed.
    Is that to simple of a solution for the council


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    #563
    longshanks
    Registered Users Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    I love the way posters on this thread are saying absolutely no thought whatsoever went into any of this.


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    #564
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    longshanks wrote: »
    I love the way posters on this thread are saying absolutely no thought whatsoever went into any of this.

    True.I think its worth remembering a number of things, first off, we all know very little about traffic etc, certainly less than designers, also things like, New street car park will hopefully make way for Michael street shopping centre, another thing is to remember how it was, lots of traffic unrestricted, etc.a poster with gripes and some with a bit of hysteria too.


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    #565
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Don’t disagree with you, the logical thing to do then is have designed it so it is clear that there is a road. Just think it is ridiculous to build something like this when two carparks are accessed via the street and houses without considering the flow of traffic. You may or may not know this but the council admitted that they just did not plan for the flow of traffic. What way is that to make changes to an urban area?

    Taking a risk of opening a can of worms but they did the exact same thing with the Quays and Newtown. They did not fully think of the bigger traffic issues.

    Just on your road suggestion there,I did a bit of reading on clearly designating roads in areas like Apple market, results in more speeding and less courtesy for others.drivers then tend to think, my road, my rules. when they are forced to think I'm sharing this space they naturally slow.


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    #566
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    invalid wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Applemarket is the main access to Spring Garden Alley. The council are currently talking to the residents about opening up the exit onto Colbeck Street permanently and pedestrianising the Applemarket but alas not all the businesses there want that.

    For those of you who think it was obvious to pedestrianise the street, try dealing with over 100 residents and 30 or so businesses who all have different opinions. Then tell us all how easy getting agreement fast is done?

    Someone talking sense


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    #567
    Minister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 444 ✭✭Minister


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    Typical Waterford CC planning. No genuine thought whatsoever put in to this development!
    Build it first and we'll see what happens and then we'll just try to figure it out as we go along! I wouldn't give them a Rubix Cube to solve!

    Can you imagine them trying to get their heads around the planning of the new developments on the North Quays! Hell will freeze over first!
    What a glorious waste of taxpayers money!!!

    Local authority engineers/planners are usually those rejected by the private sector or are not wanting to have to work hard in a challenging job.


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    #568
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Minister wrote: »
    Local authority engineers/planners are usually those rejected by the private sector or are not wanting to have to work hard in a challenging job.[/quote

    And all private sector planners/engineers are the opposite....!


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    #569
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Minister wrote: »
    Local authority engineers/planners are usually those rejected by the private sector or are not wanting to have to work hard in a challenging job.

    Yeah, can't imagine there's much demand for secure employment and pensions, no good engineers/designers/architects would be interested in stuff like that.
    Such proclamations as above from minister are to be fair , nonesence.


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    #570
    BBM77
    Registered Users Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Yeah, can't imagine there's much demand for secure employment and pensions, no good engineers/designers/architects would be interested in stuff like that.
    Such proclamations as above from minister are to be fair , nonesence.

    Pretty broad sweeping statement alright. I have worked in the private sector my whole working life but something happen to me lately that makes a move to the public sector very tempting and attractive.


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    #571
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Pretty broad sweeping statement alright. I have worked in the private sector my whole working life but something happen to me lately that makes a move to the public sector very tempting and attractive.

    Sorry bbm,I was being sarcastic in first part...think we are in agreement.


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