High Noon with George Hook.

jooksavage · 10-09-2017 08:51PM

stateofflux wrote: »

i agree with this. the amount of hatred on social media about this is laughable. people saying "women should be able to go anywhere without being raped"

by that logic i 'should' be able to go to Mogadishu for a city break in complete safety.

So women should expect to be raped under certain circumstances...? Huh?

Del.Monte · 10-09-2017 09:10PM

jooksavage wrote: »

So women should expect to be raped under certain circumstances...? Huh?

You read what you want to see and that's not what the previous poster meant.

jooksavage · 10-09-2017 09:31PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

You read what you want to see and that's not what the previous poster meant.

I'd appreciate someone explaining.

nc6000 · 10-09-2017 09:40PM

Looks like his sponsor have jumped ship......

https://twitter.com/Dalatahotels/status/906963493269762048

PeterTheNinth · 10-09-2017 09:51PM

nc6000 wrote: »

Looks like his sponsor have jumped ship......

https://twitter.com/Dalatahotels/status/906963493269762048

God what an incredible over-reaction. I wonder are they actually pandering to the pressure of the baying liberal mob, or are they using this as an excuse to get out of sponsoring a show that isn't anywhere near as good as The Right Hook?

Ironically I'd say he will have more listeners tomorrow, as everybody waits to hear what he has to say.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 10-09-2017 09:51PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

George knew what he was doing, in so much as this is how he has started nearly every show since the inception of High Noon...say something that you know will piss enough people off to get those 30 cent texts rolling. He knew full well there would be a negative reaction to what he said, but he spectacularly misjudged the extent of that reaction this time and it has bit him the ass. I'm just surprised it has taken this long to happen.

Exactly. He is a professional WUM. I believe he has identified the dichotomy that is evident in society now, free speech merchants on one side and so called SJWs on the other. He plays to the gallery of the former but I don't believe he actually shares their world view which actually makes him more cynical. Didn't he speak several years ago on the Late Late in favour of same sex marriage?

stateofflux · 10-09-2017 09:57PM

jooksavage wrote: »

So women should expect to be raped under certain circumstances...? Huh?

The point i was making is that this is the real world. with danger at times.
Hook just alluded to it being prudent for women to look out for danger signs around possible predators. i don't see anything wrong with that. Any link in his comment to the 'she was asking for it' meaning is really stretching things imo.

there will always be rapists, you can educate Irish Boys till the cows come home about respecting women (which they should learn anyway through social development) but there will always be rapists, just like there will always murderers, Paedos and psychos..its human nature.

foxtrot101 · 10-09-2017 11:12PM

I don't think he is going to survive this.

@Dalatahotels cannot support any radio station that allows inappropriate & hurtful comments to be made. We will be engaging with Newstalk as soon as possible to terminate our commercial relationship.

10-09-2017 11:15PM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

I don't think he is going to survive this.

Thanks to the PC brigade getting their knickers in a twist and loving a witch hunt
what I said in another thread
What George Hook said is no different to what mothers and fathers are saying to their daughters and sons (my parents still give me the spiel - don't walk home, watch drink and your mates and don't over do it on the drinks, avoid troublesome situations and call home if you need a lift) up and down the country every weekend before they head out.

The guy had to come out and apologise for nothing. To suggest he was blaming women for being raped is nonsense.

People can't say anything these days for fear of outraged drama queens attacking them. Young people in particular need to be warned of the dangers out there and if by doing that some see it as blaming them if the worse happened is absolute bull.

Harry Angstrom · 10-09-2017 11:29PM

Maximiliano Weak Guava wrote: »

Exactly. He is a professional WUM. I believe he has identified the dichotomy that is evident in society now, free speech merchants on one side and so called SJWs on the other. He plays to the gallery of the former but I don't believe he actually shares their world view which actually makes him more cynical. Didn't he speak several years ago on the Late Late in favour of same sex marriage?

He's become a caricature of himself. The G.Hook who presented The Right Hook was a different persona to the G.Hook that presents High Noon. He's turned the bluster, contrarianism and gratuitous ranting up to 11 for this show. He was bound to come unstuck at some stage. Personally, I thought he should have been hauled over the coals for his stupid ignorant stance on the HPV vaccine, but he seemed to have slipped the net with that one.

What fascinates me is whether the right-on PC liberals who appear on the programme (such as Dr Ciara et al) will now boycott his show or whether they'll continue to treat him as the harmless avuncular figure (whilst ignoring all his shyte talk) and continue to collect their pay cheques from NewsTalk at the end of each week?

RayM · 10-09-2017 11:33PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's become a caricature of himself. The G.Hook who presented The Right Hook is a different persona to the G.Hook that presents High Noon. He's turned the bluster, contrarianism and gratuitous ranting up to 11 for this show. He was bound to come unstuck at some stage.

I remember listening to his show years ago, when he had Michael Graham on every Friday. It was usually fifteen minutes of Graham saying something extremely right-wing and Hook saying "ah come on, you can't be saying that now!" I heard Michael Graham on the show again recently, and it was just two boring old blowhards agreeing with each other... "yup, you're dead right Mick, it's political correctness gone mad" etc. Frankly, it was like this forum, but in audio.

Total silence from Dr Ciara Kelly so far.

Harry Angstrom · 10-09-2017 11:46PM

RayM wrote: »

I remember listening to his show years ago, when he had Michael Graham on every Friday. It was usually fifteen minutes of Graham saying something extremely right-wing and Hook saying "ah come on, you can't be saying that now!" I heard Michael Graham on the show again recently, and it was just two boring old blowhards agreeing with each other... "yup, you're dead right Mick, it's political correctness gone mad" etc. Frankly, it was like this forum, but in audio.

Total silence from Dr Ciara Kelly so far.

Michael Graham actually sounds a lot more coherent than Hook in their conversations these days. That's a measure of how much Hook has changed.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 10-09-2017 11:56PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's become a caricature of himself. The G.Hook who presented The Right Hook was a different persona to the G.Hook that presents High Noon. He's turned the bluster, contrarianism and gratuitous ranting up to 11 for this show. He was bound to come unstuck at some stage. Personally, I thought he should have been hauled over the coals for his stupid ignorant stance on the HPV vaccine, but he seemed to have slipped the net with that one.

What fascinates me is whether the right-on PC liberals who appear on the programme (such as Dr Ciara et al) will now boycott his show or whether they'll continue to treat him as the harmless avuncular figure (whilst ignoring all his shyte talk) and continue to collect their pay cheques from NewsTalk at the end of each week?

You're exactly right. People may become more right wing as they age but Hook was pretty old during his Right Hook days. The vaccine stuff was outrageous, perhaps leading to the loss of life.

Lady Chatterton · 10-09-2017 11:59PM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

He's become a caricature of himself. The G.Hook who presented The Right Hook was a different persona to the G.Hook that presents High Noon. He's turned the bluster, contrarianism and gratuitous ranting up to 11 for this show. He was bound to come unstuck at some stage.

Personally, I thought he should have been hauled over the coals for his stupid ignorant stance on the HPV vaccine, but he seemed to have slipped the net with that one.

Good Evening Harry,

I loved the Right Hook and I wish George had retired on a high last year. High Noon hasn't been great, it hasn't even been good but I'd be saddened if his career ended on such a sour note, I feel he deserves better.

A number of posters have remarked on George's handling of the HPV vaccine, what's the story there? I would really like to know more about this. Thanks LC.

Harry Angstrom · 11-09-2017 12:11AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Good Evening Harry,

I loved the Right Hook and I wish George had retired on a high last year. High Noon hasn't been great, it hasn't even been good but I'd be saddened if his career ended on such a sour note, I feel he deserves better.

A number of posters have remarked on George's handling of the HPV vaccine, what's the story there? I would really like to know more about this. Thanks LC.

Lady C, he decided to take a stance that the HPV vaccine was detrimental to the health of girls, primarily relying on unverified anecdotal evidence whilst completely ignoring the advice of medical professionals, including a medical expert who appeared on his show to refute his claims. It's idiotic at best, and highly dangerous at worst.

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 12:26AM

Thanks for that Harry. I would have expected George to be for the vaccine because of his close friendship with Dr. Ciara Kelly.

I must admit I'm one of those loonies who has some concerns about giving my daughter the vaccine. When the vaccine was first announced, I thought it sounded great and if I could have signed up for it myself at that stage I would have. A member of my family was successfully treated for cervical cancer in the past so I am well aware of how serious the condition is. However, I've genuine concerns the vaccine may not be suitable for everyone. I'd really like to hear more debate on the subject and less scaremongering, the medical profession aren't always right.

Harry Angstrom · 11-09-2017 12:36AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Thanks for that Harry. I would have expected George to be for the vaccine because of his close friendship with Dr. Ciara Kelly.

I must admit I'm one of those loonies who has some concerns about giving my daughter the vaccine. When the vaccine was first announced, I thought it sounded great and if I could have signed up for it myself at that stage I would have. A member of my family was successfully treated for cervical cancer in the past so I am well aware of how serious the condition is. However, I've genuine concerns the vaccine may not be suitable for everyone. I'd really like to hear more debate on the subject and less scaremongering, the medical profession aren't always right.

Perhaps Lady C, but I'd be far more willing to listen to a medical professional's opinion than listen to George Hook's ignorant and half-baked opinion on the subject.

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 12:45AM

Oh I agree, George is one of the biggest hypochondriacs going lol

However, I have had a negative experience of a vaccine programme in the past so it makes me very cautious about believing everything the HSE put out there. I have some time before I need to make a decision but I intend putting in some decent research before then.

Do you remember the Swine Flu vaccine?
http://www.thejournal.ie/pandemrix-narcolepsy-link-study-1447040-May2014/

http://www.thejournal.ie/narcolepsy-pandemrix-1212741-Dec2013/

foxtrot101 · 11-09-2017 12:46AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Thanks for that Harry. I would have expected George to be for the vaccine because of his close friendship with Dr. Ciara Kelly.

I must admit I'm one of those loonies who has some concerns about giving my daughter the vaccine. When the vaccine was first announced, I thought it sounded great and if I could have signed up for it myself at that stage I would have. A member of my family was successfully treated for cervical cancer in the past so I am well aware of how serious the condition is. However, I've genuine concerns the vaccine may not be suitable for everyone. I'd really like to hear more debate on the subject and less scaremongering, the medical profession aren't always right.

The puzzling thing about this is Ingrid, she is the head of the School of Pharmacy at Trinity College. If anyone could give George an informed opinion on the safety of the vaccine surely it would be her.

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 12:47AM

foxtrot101 wrote: »

The puzzling thing about this is Ingrid, she is the head of the School of Pharmacy at Trinity College. If anyone could give George an informed opinion on the safety of the vaccine surely it would be her.

Maybe she didn't feel it was safe???

foxtrot101 · 11-09-2017 12:49AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Maybe she didn't feel it was safe???

I don't know, but I just find it strange.

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 12:52AM

Hey Harry, Cathal is playing Bob Dylan on Late Date, at least we'll agree on that tonight

Harry Angstrom · 11-09-2017 12:55AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Oh I agree, George is one of the biggest hypochondriacs going lol

However, I have had a negative experience of with a vaccine programme in the past so it makes me very cautious about believing everything the HSE put out there. I have some time before I need to make a decision but I intend putting in some decent research before then.

Do you remember the Swine Flu vaccine?
http://www.thejournal.ie/pandemrix-narcolepsy-link-study-1447040-May2014/

http://www.thejournal.ie/narcolepsy-pandemrix-1212741-Dec2013/

Only last week did Hook try to conflate the HPV vaccine with comments made by Leo Varadkar regarding Lyme Disease. A complete non-sequitur delivered in true George Hook outraged-rant mode. He's a complete ignoramus, and if this current saga puts a stop to his gallop regarding other issues, then it might just be worth it.

Harry Angstrom · 11-09-2017 12:57AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Hey Harry, Cathal is playing Bob Dylan on Late Date, at least we'll agree on that tonight

And now some Joni Mitchell. The night's just got better

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 01:00AM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Only last week did Hook try to conflate the HPV vaccine with comments made by Leo Varadkar regarding Lyme Disease. A complete non-sequitur delivered in true George Hook outraged-rant mode. He's a complete ignoramus, and if this current saga puts a stop to his gallop regarding other issues, then it might just be worth it.

Ah, I like George even with all his faults. Are we still on for attending one of his Movie Nights?

Does he still do them? Remember when he'd have classic movie nights in Cork when he was presenting the Right Hook?

Harry Angstrom · 11-09-2017 01:07AM

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Ah, I like George even with all his faults. Are we still on for attending one of his Movie Nights?

Does he still do them? Remember when he'd have classic movie nights in Cork when he was presenting the Right Hook?

I don't think there's been any mention of those movie nights since Philip Molloy got his own show on Newstalk. Looks like they're a thing of the past, a bit like Hook's grasp of reason

Lady Chatterton · 11-09-2017 01:18AM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I don't think there's been any mention of those movie nights since Philip Molloy got his own show on Newstalk. Looks like they're a thing of the past, a bit like Hook's grasp of reason

Cheeky!

I'm off to bed now to a say a few prayers for George. Love Him or Hate Him, we'll all be tuned into High Noon tomorrow. Goodnight, my friend

PeterTheNinth · 11-09-2017 05:57AM

Maximiliano Weak Guava wrote: »

You're exactly right. People may become more right wing as they age but Hook was pretty old during his Right Hook days. The vaccine stuff was outrageous, perhaps leading to the loss of life.

In defence of George and Finian McGrath, they were simply reflecting the views of parents who told them of THEIR concerns. So I'm not sure it's fair to blame the broadcaster, it's like blaming Joe Duffy for airing the views of his callers. And honestly, when the best the HSE can do in response is to refer to anybody questioning the vaccine as "terrorists", as opposed to say meeting the parents and addressing their concerns, it does not help to reassure people. It's not like the HSE has a reputation for being up front about their mistakes.

jooksavage · 11-09-2017 07:01AM

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

In defence of George and Finian McGrath, they were simply reflecting the views of parents who told them of THEIR concerns. So I'm not sure it's fair to blame the broadcaster, it's like blaming Joe Duffy for airing the views of his callers. And honestly, when the best the HSE can do in response is to refer to anybody questioning the vaccine as "terrorists", as opposed to say meeting the parents and addressing their concerns, it does not help to reassure people. It's not like the HSE has a reputation for being up front about their mistakes.

If you want to hear the voices that Hook and Mcgrath are giving heed to, hop over to the anti-vax thread here. Giving oxygen to anecdotal, uncorroborated scaremongering (Ciara Kelly's actual description) in the midst of a 20% drop in vaccine uptake is the height of irresponsible broadcasting. We have a baby daughter and, without exception, the people offering us unsolicited vaccine advice are renowned f***ing idiots. If he wanted to go to war with someone on this issue he'd have done a public service by taking on head-the-balls like REGRET. But no - that wouldn't give him an opportunity to stick the boot into the HSE and Varadkar and the elitist medical professionals.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 11-09-2017 09:11AM

I haven't seen it mentioned but let's not forget that Georgie boy has form putting his foot in it on the topic of rape.

http://www.thejournal.ie/george-hook-comments-niamh-nic-domhnaill-2218672-Jul2015/

High Noon with George Hook.

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