High Noon with George Hook.

kneemos

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

PeterTheNinth

Why doesn't George inform him that there is no such thing as a throw-in in rugby?

jooksavage

So far so f**kin ****e. This is all over the place.

vkid

Bring back johnathon Healy. Hook is hard to listen to at this hour of the day.. News at 1 on RTE looking good at the moment.
Its not hard to figure out what party George supports anyway. Giving Blueshirt FM new meaning imo.

Vorenus400

I really hope george isnt turning into an anti-vaxxer. He did a big sweeping statement about how the vaccine is more linked to cancer than smoking, the guy on with him is trying to politely educate him.

jooksavage

Vorenus400 wrote: »

I really hope george isnt turning into an anti-vaxxer. He did a big sweeping statement about how the vaccine is more linked to cancer than smoking, the guy on with him is trying to politely educate him.

I thought this was going to be harmless rambling nonsense. If he keeps this up it could turn out to be something quite irresponsible.

kneemos

jooksavage wrote: »

I thought this was going to be harmless rambling nonsense. If he keeps this up it could turn out to be something quite irresponsible.

Take him off the air at this stage.What would the professor know sure.

Grolschevik

kneemos wrote: »

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,
.

And it was in the context of a discussion about misogyny. "Islam" really is a trigger term for him.

delta_bravo

I don't mind him talking nonsense but when he's on about vaccines that's dangerous territory. He should be told to steer well clear of that in future

degsie

Disaster!

PeterTheNinth

delta_bravo wrote: »

I don't mind him talking nonsense but when he's on about vaccines that's dangerous territory. He should be told to steer well clear of that in future

Something doesn't seem right about it though. I mean the doctor is basically just saying that the women are lying about there being any correlation between the vaccine and their children's illnesses.

kneemos

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Something doesn't seem right about it though. I mean the doctor is basically just saying that the women are lying about there being any correlation between the vaccine and their children's illnesses.

Eighty million or whatever it was in studies and no side effects.
Coincidences happen.

Newstalk should be more responsible than to allow scaremongering like this.

PeterTheNinth

Pat Hickey - 'This has been a life-changing experience for me... I am humbled by the support of thousands in Ireland'

He's obviously delusional, cos there is no way that man could ever be humble, and there is now way he has the support of the Irish people.

poppers

Vorenus400 wrote: »

I really hope george isnt turning into an anti-vaxxer. He did a big sweeping statement about how the vaccine is more linked to cancer than smoking, the guy on with him is trying to politely educate him.

think he said the virus (not the vaccine) is more linked to cancer than smoking is

Say Your Number

I do like George, but this show seems like a terrible idea.

Can't get my head around Moncrieff being the one having time cut to make room for this rubbish.

kneemos

Say Your Number wrote: »

I do like George, but this show seems like a terrible idea.

Can't get my head around Moncrieff being the one having time cut to make room for this rubbish.

Appears to be constructed to compete with Radio 1.

Pherekydes

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Something doesn't seem right about it though. I mean the doctor is basically just saying that the women are lying about there being any correlation between the vaccine and their children's illnesses.

No, that's wrong. Someone can make a correlation between one thing and another mistakenly. It doesn't mean they are lying.

Rambling Rake

Pherekydes wrote: »

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Something doesn't seem right about it though. I mean the doctor is basically just saying that the women are lying about there being any correlation between the vaccine and their children's illnesses.

No, that's wrong. Someone can make a correlation between one thing and another mistakenly. It doesn't mean they are lying.

I don't have an opinion of any substance one way or the other but is it not strange that they can't diagnose these girls at all?

If you take it at face value and that grandmother was being honest today, which I didn't have any reason not to, her granddaughters undiagnosed symptoms just coincide with receiving these vaccines?

I do agree it's dangerous to tackle subjects like this with George's limited knowledge but it all seems a bit odd to me from a layman's pov.

kneemos

Rambling Rake wrote: »

I don't have an opinion of any substance one way or the other but is it not strange that they can't diagnose these girls at all?

If you take it at face value and that grandmother was being honest today, which I didn't have any reason not to, her granddaughters undiagnosed symptoms just coincide with receiving these vaccines?

I do agree it's dangerous to tackle subjects like this with George's limited knowledge but it all seems a bit odd to me from a layman's pov.

They've had cases like hers long before the vaccine appeared.
The mother is convinced the vaccine is to blame because the symptoms coincided.Even if it is a reaction to the vaccine it is exceptionally rare and the benefits are obviously clear.

mountai

That Grandmother is an obvious liar . None of these children are suffering any side effect from HPV vaccine . I know this ,as thats the "Official Line" . As for the 1700 Children in Denmark , well their health authorities are just wasting money on trying to find out whats causing their problems . Exactly the same ones that 400 of our kids suffer from. What is our Health Service doing for our kids?? . Totally ignoring them , censoring information that comes on the Patient Information Leaflet and refusing to even meet with Parents. These People have been labeled "Scaremongers" and "Anti Vaccine" . Yeah of course they are , thats why they got their Kids injected in the first place.

I was disappointed George Hook didn't ask anybody to back-up the '400 in Ireland' figure.

There is a considerable amount of serious discussion of this phenomenon, though. I think Robert O'Connor, the scientist from Irish Cancer Society, was being more than a little disingenuous in the way he totally dismissed the possibility of a link to HPV (he claimed there was absolutely no link, and cited a Merck study that excluded those who didn't have their follow-up vaccination due to adverse effects of the first vaccination).

From The Journal of Immunologic Research (August 2016) -- Severe somatoform and dysautonomic syndromes after HPV vaccination: case series and review of literature

From The Journal of Immunologic Research (July 2016) -- Gardasil (HPV vaccine) has the ability to trigger neuroinflammation and autoimmune reactions, further leading to behavioral changes in mice.

There's also a fairly rigorous damning of the vaccine in Discovery Magazine for other reasons, by an editor of the British Medical Journal.

I am not anti-vaccine, and I don't believe in a single conspiracy theory, but there is clearly more to this than the guy from Irish Cancer Society was letting on.

mountai

Go to "Regret .IE" all the back up you will ever want.

mountai

mountai wrote: »

Go to "Regret .IE" all the back up you will ever want.

Some of that research they're quoting is legitimate, some of it is bunkum (i.e. "natural medicine"). They do quote the BMJ editor and others, though it clearly isn't enough evidence yet.

It shows there's a possible link, based on ongoing research. But there's no clear evidence (in humans, at least) to swing either way for certain.

kneemos

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwir1dvhyYrPAhUJOsAKHc1jD1oQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skepticalraptor.com%2Fskepticalraptorblog.php%2Fone-stop-shop-science-myth-debunking-gardasil%2F&usg=AFQjCNFcBeqIHKgkNmTsK3ryDMEI7NAiwg

mountai

Remember Gardasil is produced by Merck . This company manufactured Vioxx, the side effects they deliberately hid from the FDA. Eventually , they withdrew this drug after 10000s of people died. Google "The Vioxx Scandle" sorry cant do links. Believe nothing from Merck

fryup

Hook is a terrible radio presenter imo

his voice and presentation style is all over the shop, liked him as TV rugby pundit though

degsie

What's with Hook's laugh? Makes me feel uncomfortable.

vkid

ill give it to the end of the week, but so far Georges new show sucks.

whisky_galore

Hearing Hook talk about 'saaaax' education put me right off my lunch.

kneemos

I think he's being contrary for the sake of it at this stage.

delaad

kneemos wrote: »

I think he's being contrary for the sake of it at this stage.

Was that not always his schtik!

jooksavage

There's no way this mess can keep going. Is there actually a producer in charge of this? Boring lineline-esque hardship stories one minute, political interviews* the next.

*I'm not sure if it qualifies as an interview if Hooks voice dominates 75% of it

whisky_galore

Wasn't Hooky retiring? Can't he feck off and enjoy his free time with the lovely Ingrid?

Is he staging a Gaybo-like comeback?

Vorenus400

jooksavage wrote: »

There's no way this mess can keep going. Is there actually a producer in charge of this? Boring lineline-esque hardship stories one minute, political interviews* the next.

*I'm not sure if it qualifies as an interview if Hooks voice dominates 75% of it

I dont think Hook is even trying anymore. i think he has spiritually taken his retirement a few years ago.

He asks a very stacked question and only lets the person answer the yes/no part before going on another long spiel. I think the right hook lost its edge a few years ago.:(

farmerjj

degsie wrote: »

What's with Hook's laugh? Makes me feel uncomfortable.

Why?

jooksavage

farmerjj wrote: »

Why?

I can't speak for degsie but I think Hook's laugh sounds like the grotesque braying gurgle of a pinhead man-baby. Chills me to the bone.

farmerjj

jooksavage wrote: »

I can't speak for degsie but I think Hook's laugh sounds like the grotesque braying gurgle of a pinhead man-baby. Chills me to the bone.

Agh jasus where's my dictionary gone

Grolschevik

jooksavage wrote:

I can't speak for degsie but I think Hook's laugh sounds like the grotesque braying gurgle of a pinhead man-baby. Chills me to the bone.

That awful high-pitched strangled giggle...

Grolschevik

After 'Hook's books', I'm waiting on the new segment, to be titled 'By Hook or by crook?'.

Basically, who said this, George or some corrupt politician?

barryegan

'Hook Cooks' will be radio gold.

Akrasia

This show is unlistentoable

He's trolling his listeners at this stage

Vorenus400

Akrasia wrote: »

This show is unlistentoable

He's trolling his listeners at this stage

I think hes hoping to get some of the Joe Duffy cranks. Got rid of the principle from Mayo fairly quickly when he suggested that there might be a bit of exaggeration in all kids watching videos at school

jooksavage

Roan Mullen defending McQuaid: "we were limited by our ideas". Plus ça change.

foxtrot101

So George is getting up at 5am to prepare for the "High Noon"...the obligatory immigration rant, some marketing type spouting nonsense, a bit of Liveline-style moaning and then George's essential song. Wft has he being doing for those 6 hours before the show?

TheRiverman

I had a quick listen to the start of the programme today.George said in reply to a text that his show is now like an "oasis"fom NAMA current affairs/heavy news,but then he went on a rant with help from a speech by an Australian senator and something about Jean Claude Juncker.He sounded horrendous.I quickly switched to the definitive oasis The Ronan Collins show on RTE Radio 1.

jooksavage

Oh God this Essential Songs crap is back again. Can't believe they took 30 mins off Moncrieff for this sh**e

kneemos

TheRiverman wrote: »

I had a quick listen to the start of the programme today.George said in reply to a text that his show is now like an "oasis"fom NAMA current affairs/heavy news,but then he went on a rant with help from a speech by an Australian senator and something about Jean Claude Juncker.He sounded horrendous.I quickly switched to the definitive oasis The Ronan Collins show on RTE Radio 1.

Ronan has greatly improved,less talking more music.

TheRiverman

kneemos wrote: »

Ronan has greatly improved,less talking more music.

I don't know why the Liveline promo and Weather forecast are in it,both could be in the News At 1.

Akrasia

After he said he won't talk about the bus strike, he spent at least 12 hours recanting the boring story of his morning commute to work. It may not have been 12 hours but it felt that long


He got some texts making points against what he had said and his response was 'You're wrong' and 'I don't agree', and then when someone texted in to say that he was turning off the show because it is unlistentoable, he basically told him 'I'm not going anywhere' and to feck off if he can't take his 'liberal ideas' being challenged and if he can't take debate....


Hook saying 'you're wrong and I'm right' without even attempting to pose any kind of argument is not a debate. And telling his listeners to not listen to him anymore is a good way to hasten the demise of this car crash of a radio show.

Akrasia

jooksavage wrote: »

Oh God this Essential Songs crap is back again. Can't believe they took 30 mins off Moncrieff for this sh**e

It's ridiculous. Moncreif had a history expert talking about the U.S. election, and he had a philosopher talking about Morality, and Sean treated them with respect and asked intelligent probing questions and lighthearted observations.

Hook talked about religion by railing against 'liberals', talked about science by calling scientists 'Ageist'... He believes he is himself the only historian, scientist, and philosopher worth listening to.

Grolschevik

Akrasia wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Moncreif had a history expert talking about the U.S. election, and he had a philosopher talking about Morality, and Sean treated them with respect and asked intelligent probing questions and lighthearted observations.

Hook talked about religion by railing against 'liberals', talked about science by calling scientists 'Ageist'... He believes he is himself the only historian, scientist, and philosopher worth listening to.

^^^ This!