Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

mullinr2 · 09-09-2017 03:57PM

God this is desperate. I tell ya there is softness about Kilkenny hurling at all levels. We are going to down for a long time boys

noserider · 09-09-2017 03:57PM

4 points in 40 minutes, awful hurling.
Basic skills missing, sideline cuts, first to the ball, lift off the ground.

dzer2 · 09-09-2017 04:00PM

noserider wrote: »

4 points in 40 minutes, awful hurling.

Shane Walsh was an embarrassment to leave him on for that length was shocking.

mullinr2 · 09-09-2017 04:16PM

Cody has the biggest challenge he ever has to face. To make Kilkenny competitive again. We are in disarray at all levels. We haven't been this poor since the mid 90s

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:19PM

We can safely say, having seen a lot of these players time and again over the last year that they just don't have what it takes to be senior inter county hurlers. None of them. I'd go so far as to say there are a number of them who need to be dropped from the senior panel. They will never be good enough and will only ever be journey men. I'd rather we had a battler than a fancy Dan who doesn't put it in.

As for Eddie Brennan, was asked to do a job and did his best.... so thanks for that but it's time now to realise that he's just not intercounty manager material. There's no shame in that.

BoroMan32 · 09-09-2017 04:20PM

That was an appalling display from start to finish.

We had a soft run through to the final, and any of the Munster teams or Galway would have beaten us out the gate.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:26PM

Dionysis wrote: »

We can safely say, having seen a lot of these players time and again over the last year that they just don't have what it takes to be senior inter county hurlers. None of them. I'd go so far as to say there are a number of them who need to be dropped from the senior panel. They will never be good enough and will only ever be journey men. I'd rather we had a battler than a fancy Dan who doesn't put it in.

As for Eddie Brennan, was asked to do a job and did his best.... so thanks for that but it's time now to realise that he's just not intercounty manager material. There's no shame in that.

So Eddie has no players who are of intercounty standard but yet he didnt do well enough to keep his job? Where are the players in Kilkenny who will replace the under 21s you want dropped?

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:28PM

Time to;
Bring back Martin Fogarty to the senior setup.
Badly, badly need a north and a south divisional side for minors from both intermediate and junior sids to develop playing senior standad hurling past U-17, and to catch the late developers.
Need to ðevelop managers and coachs and use the better ones at intercounty level, instead of using ex intercounty hurlers who are just not managers.
Comfy broad needs to realise that kk have a massive problem .... 2008 since he last u-21 win. Next year it will be 10 years. And wo minor wins since then, which is vey average.

corner back 2 · 09-09-2017 04:28PM

After watching seniors and U21s this year I can't understand how the first touch of KK hurlers is gone so poor. Balls constantly bouncing off hurls or out of lads hands. In the modern game with so little room this is vital. Are we not coaching properly or not doing drills, ball wall work etc. We haven't looked sharp in comparison to other counties at all levels. I would love if someone could give me an explanation or maybe tell me I'm imagining it!

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:29PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

Cody has the biggest challenge he ever has to face. To make Kilkenny competitive again. We are in disarray at all levels. We haven't been this poor since the mid 90s

Dissaray is a big strong, lets put this in a bit of context before losing the plot, 7 or 8 of those Limerick lads have been on the Senior Limerick panel for the last 3 years and came through Munster quite comfortably beating q strong Galway team in the final, they were always strong favourites to win the all ireland.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:31PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Shane Walsh was an embarrassment to leave him on for that length was shocking.

Dont think any player who give up his time to represent his county is an embarresment, bitter auld lads sniping at players after they lost a final are another story.

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:31PM

It's eddies job to have his team mentally ready to go and playing a team game, both of which didn't happen in any game he managed in the last two years.

kksaints · 09-09-2017 04:32PM

That was a very poor performance from us. Lots of basic errors and really poor stickwork.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:33PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Time to;
Bring back Martin Fogarty to the senior setup.
Badly, badly need a north and a south divisional side for minors from both intermediate and junior sids to develop playing senior standad hurling past U-17, and to catch the late developers.
Need to ðevelop managers and coachs and use the better ones at intercounty level, instead of using ex intercounty hurlers who are just not managers.
Comfy broad needs to realise that kk have a massive problem .... 2008 since he last u-21 win. Next year it will be 10 years. And wo minor wins since then, which is vey average.

Who is this comfy broad you are talking about?

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:33PM

All year we are saying he same t hing about these players at senior or u-21 level, it's time to realise that they are over rated.

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:34PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Who is this comfy broad you are talking about?

County board.... your opinion and technical input about hurling is in valuable as always.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:37PM

Dionysis wrote: »

It's eddies job to have his team mentally ready to go and playing a team game, both of which didn't happen in any game he managed in the last two years.

Ok I take that on board, they were flat today and personally I havent been overly happy with his management style, but who are the players who will replace the under 21s on the panel.

I think today shows that Cody has used the right under 21s on his team, Delaney, Cleere and Blanchfield were the only ones who could match Limerick physically.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 04:39PM

Dionysis wrote: »

County board.... your opinion and technical input about hurling is in valuable as always.

Thanks for the compliment, now who should replace all those fancy dan under 21s?

Dionysis · 09-09-2017 04:44PM

Cleere went missing today. The backs were two yards off their man for every ball all day. Cody's in a pickle, cos you couldn't rely on an of those backs and to be fair, Cleere did less than the rest. He didn't command his centre back position, to interested in the loose ball. Not intercounty standard. The full back I wouldn't rate either but at least he didn't go missing.

brookville · 09-09-2017 04:46PM

Just on the way home where to start?congrats to limerick we could of being hamnered but limerick stalled a bit when lynch went off.
Leahy,walsh,ryan and morrisey all replaced which is dissapointing
There was huge wind against us in the 1st half but make no mistake limerick way better and it could of being worse.
Baffling taking of leahy or mullen not on earier.
Positives if any from today delaney was decent at 3 considering the pressure he was under.I thought tommy and lawlor tried hardand blanchfield and donnelly(good 2nd half) were the best of a poor performance.

mullinr2 · 09-09-2017 04:48PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Dissaray is a big strong, lets put this in a bit of context before losing the plot, 7 or 8 of those Limerick lads have been on the Senior Limerick panel for the last 3 years and came through Munster quite comfortably beating q strong Galway team in the final, they were always strong favourites to win the all ireland.

We got a soft run to the final which didn't help but Kilkenny hurling has gone soft and is in disarray. We have been outfought out thought and out skilled at senior u21 and minor this year. Look how far off we are to Galway in particular but also Tipp and Waterford. It'll take years to bridge the gap

usualstripes · 09-09-2017 04:51PM

1) Our fielding of the ball very poor
2) Our speed in possession poor
3) Complete inability to create space and drag a half or corner back out of his comfort zone.
4) Our intensity, strength under pressure and eagerness to win possession is gone.

I am not being overy dramatic here but the whole approach to games is not what it should be.
One of our biggest strengths over the last 15 years was our ability to
1) Punish teams with goals that came from forwards pulling there men all over the place and creating space for other forwards to drill through in goal.
2) Strength under the high ball and in rucks.

We seem to have lost our way but I wouldn't give up hope completely. An agressive determination is what is required and coaching how to use it along with rediscovering our ability to open spaces and get out for a ball first.
Our backs have to read the game better and not allow a forward 10 yards of space where he has time to score or pass to someone who can.

jeff bingham · 09-09-2017 04:59PM

I wouldn't be blaming Shane Walsh when any of the 6 forwards or 2 midfielders could have been brought off.
Just couldn't match Limerick physically around the middle. Some excellent players on that Limerick team in fairness

brookville · 09-09-2017 05:21PM

jeff bingham wrote: »

I wouldn't be blaming Shane Walsh when any of the 6 forwards or 2 midfielders could have been brought off.
Just couldn't match Limerick physically around the middle. Some excellent players on that Limerick team in fairness

Lets not forget Limerick have maybe 5 or 6 starting senior we had blanchfield and leahy with others getting league time.
The conditioning of some of their lads compared to ours was staggering

dzer2 · 09-09-2017 06:32PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Dont think any player who give up his time to represent his county is an embarresment, bitter auld lads sniping at players after they lost a final are another story.

Not auld or bitter lad

He was there by name
I have said on here, plenty of times in all under age set ups, the best players in the county are not on them.

Its harder to get off the squads than to get on them. to say there is no player improving on the few that were selected at under 14 squad 7 yrs ago is rubbish.

I go to loads of club games both senior intermediate and underage and see loads of lads that a worth a try at under age never given a chance.

When is the last time Cody brought a lad in that wasn't on the under age squads.

Loads of good coaches at clubs too but cant devote the time to county squads if they are to coach at club as well.

Topcat32 · 09-09-2017 06:49PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Not auld or bitter lad

He was there by name
I have said on here, plenty of times in all under age set ups, the best players in the county are not on them.

Its harder to get off the squads than to get on them. to say there is no player improving on the few that were selected at under 14 squad 7 yrs ago is rubbish.

I go to loads of club games both senior intermediate and underage and see loads of lads that a worth a try at under age never given a chance.

When is the last time Cody brought a lad in that wasn't on the under age squads.

Loads of good coaches at clubs too but cant devote the time to county squads if they are to coach at club as well.

How you can look at a match where the midfield and 2 of the half forwards were blown out of it and where the backline struggled to clear any ball and think the big problem is with the corner forwards is beyond me.

I think Shane is a decent club and underage hurler, dont see him making any impact at senior level, it is just my opinion that to use todays loss to have a such a personalised go at him is wrong based on the old story that there are these mystery men out there not getting a chance at county level, the standard of club hurling recently would suggest that is bull**** to be honest.

dzer2 · 09-09-2017 07:26PM

TBH he didn't shake a leg, I am not personalising anything I say it as I see it. This was a game that that a hard working corner forward against that wind would be out trying to influence the game. In fairness to Ryan he tried. Shane didn't. All the other forwards at least got blocks and hooks in.They moved around trying to make space and only for an over hit hand pass and an over driven cross field pass could have had shots at goal. The standard of coaching and skills at underage level this last few yrs is appalling for Kilkenny. But if you are always picked for the squads then why worry about upgrading or getting better.

Road-Hog · 09-09-2017 08:16PM

Just a taste for a 'success laden' county to what it's like being a 'weaker county' who rarely even get to an all Ireland....no doubt this current 'Kk rot' will be short lived will hardly stretch as long as the 'langers' one 😀😀😀

WhatsGoingOn2 · 09-09-2017 08:26PM

Very disappointing turnout from the Kilkenny fans today. 2k to 3k max. Massively outnumbered by the Limerick fans.

blackcard · 09-09-2017 08:32PM

Dissapointed but thought we could have been a bit closer at half time. Blanchfield over hit a handpass for a goal chance. Limerick hit a few frees from 90 yards. Limerick the better team but they had played tougher opposition. I would be surprised if 4 or 5 of the Kilkenny team don't make it at senior level

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